CKtalon Tbh it does seem unfair to me that translators can win as more people will vote for them if they read their translations.
It doesn't even need to be intentionally rigged, though as long as he didn't post a chapter note asking for votes i'm fine with the end result as nobody broke rules, but like you said hopefully next time there's an exclusion of translators/editors.
ucoqid looks like to me you start to accept your snowman avatar even though you keep complaint
I still look stupid...
NineNeatherBird I always found that clan name . . . strange.
Same... I always wonder why we couldn't have called ourselves something cooler...
Active_Reader uuh, i need to join soon, can i?
Mute They didn't really think it through as they were in a rush to begin the competition (considering the VISA issues) and by the time they realized that it might be unfair, it was a little too late. Meh did not seem like he would win either. If you see the last 24 hours thread, Meh was ranked third with quite a sizable gap from @KingBiBiK
CKtalon Yes, I know you said that in a joking way like the boss saying them to enter the competition to get a better deal or something. Sorry to mention you in this awkward situation. I just used it to be a little sarcastic.
I have immense respect for you and as one of the translators who responds all the time you are like a brother to us. I hope I did not bring you trouble.
Now let me clarify the issue. Since I wrote a long post it is easy to miss and misunderstand things.
(The assumptions are just assumptions and even I do not believe them)
I DO NOT HAVE an issue with translators competing.
I DO NOT HAVE an issue with Meh winning.
The problem is...
The thing that triggered me is the final result announcement that states the original time while giving the results of a different time. (Along with those comments).
That's it. as simple as that.
Search up our clan thread, if you send at least one reply on there, then you're good.
And Nevie Neverfire7 gave you the discord link for the clan.
But if you don't wanna join on Discord then no worries, you can be a part of clan in the thread as well~
mud7 Don't worry. It was just sarcasm.
@CKtalon I should not have mentioned you. Sorry about that. I am not sure it is you who said that joke. Maybe its someone else. Your name just came to my mind when I was typing this. It took me a while to type everything up and I missed the time to edit it off.
Hey @KingBiBiK and other fellow Daoists, it seems like the conspiracy theory is quite popular in the community. Frankly, I totally understood your guys’ concerns and distrust. I will be the one of you if there would be such a dumb situation happened to me or my close friends. However, the whole story is quite simple, there is none of scams at all. Let me clarified the facts and hope it will help KingBiBiK feel better.
Back to the time when we decide to arrange an event, we only have a very simple goal that is inviting one of our readers to attend 2018 China Original Culture Billboard Awards Ceremony on 19 Jan 2018. I must say this, there are tons of way to find out the candidate, the easiest way will be requiring readers to repost the event post with a hash tag in social network, then we randomly pick one of them will be good enough. It is not only the easiest method, but also the best strategy to promote our site and brand since the participation barrier would be quite low. Who would refuse this great opportunity to earn a free 5D4N China tour, with just a simple repost? I can promise your guys that the impressions and traffics will be much greater than what we did currently.
Why we didn’t go that way? First, the reward is quite decent and the opportunity is super rare, we strongly hope the most motivated reader can win the game rather than a random lucky guy. Other hand, if we just go the simplest way, we might not able to ensure that the winner could arrange his/her schedule on time, especially in holiday season. Therefore, we decided to increase the entry barrier of the event and make it being complicated. That’s why you guys need to share the event on social network, then take a screenshot, upload into a online album, then build a post in the forum and then required to collect likes as much as you could. I have to say the participation path was way toooooooooo long. I don’t even recognize it would be an accepted event design.
Why I say this useless details? I just want to you guys know there was no scams at all. We just want to invite the right person to attend this event and we could meet with him face to face, that’s all. If we plan to promote ourselves, we have far more better methods to get larger traffic.
Let’s now back to the result. As you guys could see, Meh, one of our translators of RTW won the competition. It is really odd but when you back to review the rules, he did not violate any rules. To be honesty, we had a debate internally when we found a translator attended this competition. Most of our team members were planning to prohibit Meh’s qualification in the very beginning, however, it will lead to another kind of unfair treatment. For each translator and editor, they were readers initially, they will be creator then. In this case, how could we prevent our translators or editors to join the competition? Furthermore, even we could prevent translators and editors to compete with our readers directly, they could still easily get another account to participate. Therefore, we didn’t cancel his qualification. In addition, I guess many of you didn’t noticed that the official Webnovel account liked many other posts except Meh’s.
Back to the original intention of the event, we want the most motivated people to win. That’s why our rule is quite open. Readers are allowed to invite his family or friends to vote for him, even allowed (but not encouraged) to create many accounts to like himself/herself. We believe those actions are quite time consuming, if some one plans to do such things to get more votes, then go ahead and the time spent we believe it equals to efforts, also equals to motivation.
One other suspicion was that QI might prefer to invite a translator rather than a regular reader. I would say… my dear friend… Let’s calculate the cost of both way… Firstly, the financial cost of either translator or regular reader being invited would be almost the same. We have to pay the entire ticket and hotel cost. I guess it will be close to 5K USD at least. There is nothing different regarding of whom we invited. Secondly, I have to say most of our team could speak in English, might be not that good… but the communication will be at least okay…. Ultimately, CK and Starve will be invited as well… Even in the worst situation, they could be interpreters…
Lastly, I suppose the reason why you guys are unsatisfied is also because of the result auditing. I saw Alew complains about the time issues. Let me give you guys more details about how we calculate the final result. Firstly, as the announcement we have mentioned, the length of the competition will start from 20 Dec 2017 - 27 Dec 2017(GMT+8). It means we will calculate the result in Dec 27, 24:00 GMT+8. That's also why we would release the final result in dec 29th. Secondly, we didn’t count it by eyes, actually we query the database by using SQL. I will stick a screenshot of the queried final data here:
As you could easily see, the winner is the the 113rd post. That’s Meh’s, and he totally got 80 likes. The same time, Alew got 2 posts, 2nd and 31st, one being liked 78 times (with no imgs uploaded) and one another got 71 likes. KingBiBiK got 64 likes on that time in 19th post. Basically, that’s how we count the final result. I hope my explanation and the data will give you guys more clues of the story.
I understood the result would be not prefect. It is very hard to make everyone happy in the game. We just hope you guys could get enjoyments from the event and novels, instead of regrets or anger. Really wish all of you would have a great new year. We will always try our best to provide more and more immersive stories to you guys. Best wish to all of you. Happy new year.
[unknown] Thank you very much for your reply. And I trust you on your intentions. I am sorry for making assumptions.
But you have to see all these assumptions stem from the time problem. The screenshot you posted does not prove anything. It shows the final like count and I do not see any evidence regarding the Dec 27 midnight GMT +8.
Hope you also clarify that.
KingBiBiK Its new year holiday now. I guess I could post the SQL code when we back to office. One more thing, I guess we might have misubderstandings of "middle night". As my pervious reply, it will be 24:00 Dec 27th.
WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL Technically there should not a thing called 24:00
KingBiBiK uhm? I believe the 24:00 equals 0:00 of next day.
CKtalon I'm curious though, why did you not address the time thing, cause I think that's the most baffiling, did King get the time wrong? Or is he lying about the numbers that were there at that time? Though I don't see him doing that.
@KingBiBiK maybe in the future take a screenshot with time stamp as proof so no one can deny the fact of weird time changes.
I am not going to say I am surprised. There are too many things that can go awry in this competition if you ask me. Whether translator wins or some other dude. You have to admit "conspiracy" theory or not it smells fishy. If something looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it usually is one. Until someone comes along and paints it a different color saying it was already like that we just never explained the colors to you, we just showed you a skeleton and made quack noises confusing the shit out of you for no reason(so that we can have good excuses later).
No matter what anyone says you are the champion and everyone else is the loser dude. Even me! QI already has plenty of work to do with fixing their less than perfect translations (which I have not seen anyone respond to my translation mistake reports so...yeah), finding a better way to update users on translations status, as well as providing a stable environment so users actually can rely on them. Let's not make them investigate their own people now.
WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL Yes so Dec 27 24:00 GMT +8 is the same as
London time 4:00 PM Dec 27. Right?
Flaffy How is that every post of yours turns out to have a song at the end of it...
Flaffy I do want to believe them. If both top contestants Alew and me have the same time problem, then there is something in it that's true. Also, have you read they encouragi...srry allowing fake accounts. Whatever, this is why I gave up. And I did not care who wins or not but I got snapped when I saw the time issue. And I got overboard with my assumptions lol.
WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL Back to the original intention of the event, we want the most motivated people to win. That’s why our rule is quite open. Readers are allowed to invite his family or friends to vote for him, even allowed (but not encouraged) to create many accounts to like himself/herself. We believe those actions are quite time consuming, if some one plans to do such things to get more votes, then go ahead and the time spent we believe it equals to efforts, also equals to motivation.
Neverfire7 She is the DJ of my immortal palace.
KingBiBiK I think so, it's 16:00 London time
Flaffy @KingBiBiK maybe in the future take a screenshot with time stamp as proof so no one can deny the fact of weird time changes.
It is not my job. It should you @Alew who should have taken the screenshot.
Dude you are so irresponsible. You should have taken screenshots of the time and likes.
i think you guys didn't cheat @KingBiBiK or anyone else, but for a company most of the time you guys act like complete amateur.
It's blaffing how many mistakes you guys have been making one after another and how much controversy you guys manage to rise...
Just a little tip: It's getting boring. Please act more profissional.
WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL
This is completely off topic but:
can you guys update the facebook link on the menu? (it is right after "discord")
WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL Then we are on the same page.
DiegoPedroso Since they replied I also agree with you and did not think they cheat. But they did made errors with this competition.
DiegoPedroso +1 I fully agree. 100%, this is what I complain about in half of my suggestion posts, that people always end up saying "we don't have money to do that" "we dont have people to do that" and when i say people I mean translators/editors and Billdoor! BUS THROWN!
It's one thing that i already said, but QI is trying to get all the novel that they own and is being translated to move here, but in doing so they're "hiring" crap translator and just putting the novel here and forgetting about it. There are several novels letf to die... and then they come up with a event so poorly made that... ¬¬' ...isn't that amateurish?
It's not worth even complaining any more... since those who should listen won't listen, but i at least hoped for more planning from them.
Well. Insteqd they should had made onecompetition for translators. Where was the same prize as civil readers. QI is walking on thin line. Why. Because messed up old translating world. Destroyed some translators who translated for people. Well . Whats the policy of QI is exacly ? Whats the face what they want for others to show. Weird.
Lanankuras let's see for now. (except this, we can do nothing, though)
To be honest, i found it fishy too but i think QI was just lazy and was not keeping track of the competition when it exactly ended at 8 PM GMT, I kept track and i know for sure Alew was in the lead but since the post took like a day to come out to reveal the winner, they probably waited a bit longer, which allowed Meh to win since he kept campaigning. They for sure need to have much more stricter rules and keep to them if they do something similar in the future, because if they did end when they said they would end at 8 pm GMT, Alew would have won by a few votes.
Edit: Atleast by eyes alew should have won, just saw the post about QI using the SQL to track the votes. That makes sense but it also makes it kinda fishier lol
Vyte Exactly, this is what made me write this long post. I do noy want to believe the official is so irresponsible that they did not track the time or got the right data that involves 5k as reward. Then the only chance is ..........
So even if i run and lets assume i was in lead at the time. Meh would have overtaken me since i stopped campaigning. Point proven
WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL I can't comment.Don't true don't false.
Long_Tian_Xian quite deep
... humu
Neverfire7 You should put a /s there.
WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL You spelled misunderstandings and previous wrong. Also, it is Midnight, not middle night.
DiegoPedroso Capital I it should be complete amateurs, not complete amateur. Baffling should be the correct spelling here. Professional is the word you should also use.
