DarkRay Then you haven't seen a topic where a contracted guy had his novel sold on amazon, and it wasn't him. Webnovel did very little to address that

I didn't say there were no issues. Webnovel also loses money by doing nothing.

DarkRay If they invest nothing into your story, how are they losing money

I told you already that's all about reputation.

I will also add that even if such stories exist, or if some of them have been contracted, believe it or not this clause exists to prevent this. These clauses had never been used to date, but they exist for a reason.

Webnovel need more content to grow, so they accept anything. I think that sooner or later they will focus on quality content. Just my opinion again. But that's just how business works.

Webnovel has the right to promote you, but is not entailed to do it. Pretty sure, you will not see any time soon a paedophile R-18 story focusing on underage children being promoted.

For me they're losing money for many reasons. More than greed, i would say it is their bad marketing strategy. But even without talking about this, if i was leading webnovel i would have added separate sections/rankings for all these sex stories. The ranking is polluted with them, hidding the gems that deserve to be read.

DarkRay That is not a small following, so I doubt they would be able to get $800 only.

I checked many patreons from my favorite stories on royal road even before webnovel app being created. The highest one i've seen is around 3k$ for one original work. I've seen 7k$ on wuxiaworld for a translated work before webnovel takes back their rights on these stories. The Endless Path (rank 1 from fanfic on webnovel) is platauing at 800-900$ on Patreon, as many others. There's surely some exceptions, especially for those that are published on amazon or got their paperpack publication. For paypal it wasn't there before on RR, but i don't think it changes anything. If people can get something for free, very few will donate.

About the word price and the standard you're talking about, the best would be for the author to be directly able to set his price. But i'm not sure raising the price, even from a popular story, would do so well on such a platform. Maybe it is for a new update.

Anyway, i don't think all these big companies like Amazon or Disney are any better. As long as there is money at stake, it will be the same everywhere.

    Arkinslize When they have copyright, and do nothing about it, is the author to blame? If they lose money, it's because of their own silliness or laziness, not author's. They actually hurt authors, not help them... Again, those are not my claims, contracted authors spoke about them (both in public and private).

    I'd like to see which clause you refer to, but I think I found it. If you mean the stuff "don't publish anything without webnovel's consent", or "don't violate the law", yea sure, can pertain to content. If it exists for a reason, use it? Simple thing. At the same time, this can be easily bypassed. You can write about joining extreme groups (like terrorists) and tell people "fiction". Doesn't infringe on any laws, it's a fiction. Pointless in that case. (People find racism in Chinese novels, somehow they are still published)

    Of course websites need content to grow (Look at their own stats in about page though, I don't think they need to grow more), but they choose any (in a bad sense) content. Selection is not a thing for them, but quantity is. Hence my statement: they will give a contract to pretty much anyone, stands true. If they change that, Great! That is my argument, for them to change it.

    The promotion is another thing. They will use commercially viable strategies... and "depending on the
    sales of the Work, promote the Work on Party A's Web Channel(s) to help raise the reputation of Party B and the Work.". The first one, I said it too, didn't I? Not every novel will be marketed outside (only popular stuff will be). The other one pertains to their channel only. Also depending on your sales (again top 20 perhaps, not all contracted authors are top 20).

    As for what they promote, simple. Whatever makes them money. I don't know if they care whether rape, paedophilia and such is there. Ask them, not me.

    I actually forgot about something. You are right, they can lose money on authors. Which my previous argument is invalid (I will remove it later). The guarantee system is in place, which means they can actually lose money. (I can admit when I make a mistake). They can lose from $800 to as much as $1600. Of course authors have to meet those requirements, but a potential of losing money is there. Your argument was different though, but I admit, they can lose money due to guarantee system.

    Fanfic is not originality though (in a sense). The author rides a bus on previously popular work (or still popular, with anime and stuff). $1000 for that is great, nothing to complain about. (I checked it now, it's 1000). By the way, $1000 is about what people in top 20 make per month (with a contract). I had that conversation with contracted authors, they make around that much per month, and the lower you are in the rank the less you make (a lot less apparently).

    My argument was simple too. You claimed tens of millions of views, in other words 20 millions or more. Check the no. 1 of originals, it doesn't even have that (no. 4 has 27m I believe?). With that kind of views, you should be able to earn around 1.5k a month. Remember that contracted authors have to earn twice that, because they split with webnovel 50-50. As a self publisher, you keep 100% and your rights, and freedoms. That is the difference.

    Authors can set the price on privilege as far as I'm aware, but true. If authors could set a price for their chapters, perhaps it would be better, but perhaps worse. It goes both ways, because it can be abused. Standards cannot be abused. You either reached a certain standard or not. If you did, people pay let's say a full price. If you are in the middle, people pay a bit less, let's say. If you are bottom, people pay almost nothing. Is it unfair? No it's not. Improve your skills, and get paid more. Would motivate others to improve, and readers are happy too. (Will never happen, until wn hires more editors basically, and they start a proper selection for contracted works).

    Arkinslize Anyway, i don't think all these big companies like Amazon or Disney are any better. As long as there is money at stake, it will be the same everywhere.

    People choose webnovel for a few reasons. One such reason: their writing is too poor, and they have no chance getting into a publishing company. Another reason can be difficulty. Writing on webnovel or any platform as such, is easy. Make an account and publish, that's it. You don't need drafts, revisions, nothing. It's the easy way. Another, lack of drive. People do it as a hobby, in other words not seriously. Another, easier to get a contract and popularity. Just write within popular tags and you are alright, right? There may be a few more, but you get the idea.

    That depends on what sorts of deal you get. Sure big companies are not rivers filled with milk and honey. I didn't even know Disney published books, that's new to me. Amazon, you can get 70% royalties. You set your own prices too. If you get a good place, they will promote it. You give them nonexclusive copyright as well. (I had to read a lot to find that). In other words, you can publish your books elsewhere. Not such a bad deal, and you can stop publishing at amazon whenever you wish. It's not perfect of course, and you need a book not chapters. (I should mention you can publish for 100% but they will not promote it like ever, no chances).

    Either way, that is how I see it. take it as you will.

      Arkinslize Top Star has bad grammar but was heavily promoted (wayy better than most fan fic though). So, not really true.

        DarkRay

        You seriously appear on this forum again with your rant? Let me finish my chapters. Use that time to get a cup for your tears.

          DarkRay

          Honestly, i'll probably stop the debate here. I don't even know why i'm losing my time defending the devil. I just said at first that i've seen this contract and that nothing really surprised me there.

          Every thing they do or do not, whether they should or not can be sum up to lack of personel, or basically money issues. That they're looking for cheap profits or are not reactive/ do what you expect from them is really another debate. You gave example of people that webnovel did not help, many maybe have been helped in time that you don't know about.

          Every word you said is agressive and feels like webnovel owe you something. They don't. They are neither your friends, nor here to carry you. It is a business. Final word.

          DarkRay We are talking about original works, translated novels are completely different argument. Don't use translated novels as your standard here

          I never used translated novels as standard so please stop. The one with 270M views you're talking about doesn't earn 100k$ but much more.

          You don't say which author from the top 20 you're talking about that earn only 1.5k$. You don't say how many premium chapters has his story, or how many chapters he/she publishs every week, how many gifts or fans he/she has. Being top 3 or 20 for a while in power ranking doesn't mean anything.

          DarkRay No, you don't have "great luck" when your native language is English. What sort of argument is this? Improve yourself if you don't want to write in your own language, and don't complain.

          You just litteraly made my point valid. So you're an english native, i presume. So, before you misunderstand, i'm dentist irl, i speak 4 languages as i speak here in english with you. I truly don't care whether i earn 100k$ or 200$ writing here. I'm living well.

          Pretty arrogant to say someone can write in his own language, when there's no market. If as you pretend the top 20 here earn 1k$ per month, how much do you think you will earn with an audience 10 to 50 times smaller.

          The other reason is that most people here read webnovel in english, since as i said there's no market yet in most other languages. Spanish, chinese ect.. have it better, but nothing for the others.

          Most of all, most of the foreigners here are probably working like crazy to improve their grammar and writing skills.

          I'll stop here, if you still want to talk about it, we can continue on discord Arkinslize#6861. Maybe not everything can be said here.

            BravelyNovice 2-3 months to get contract. 3-6 to actually improve and earn and a year to write and earn well.
            I would say write a short story about 200-300 chapters first, sign it. Try it out and see if you like it and if you get some readers good, if not, you can try with another book after you improve. It takes a year to actually write decent.

              DarkRay Just as a teaser:
              I'm around top150 in the power ranking
              I'm around top70 in the trending ranking, meaning that my rank with votes is half the rank I get when the earnings counts.

              Arkinslize DarkRay Better to stop the debate. Webnovel contract is not that bad. If you look at Amazon contract then you will be surprised. Amazon can literally kick you, ban you, take your income if they wish to do so and there is nothing you can do. They also don't need to provide any reason why they did so.

                Arkinslize No, I haven't been aggressive at all. I presented my arguments, and quoted you. I don't have any ill will towards you at all. I showed you the original claim to which I responded, and I made a mistake to which I admitted. I'm not trying to win here, we were having a discussion, that's all there is to it. That's what forums are for.

                Arkinslize You don't say which author from the top 20 you're talking about that earn only 1.5k$...

                Piokilek is here, ask him. I talked with precell (he/she is a mod I believe) about that too, and a few other people. Ask the original authors, that is what I got from them.

                You presumed wrong. I'm not English native. I had to learn English, and it took years. Therefore when I say "don't complain and do something about it", I think I have the right to say this. If you are interested in some bs wrapped in feely words, unfortunately I don't provide that.

                Why is it arrogant? Anyone can start writing in any language. You can take it a step further and publish it as a book. You can make money, if you really want to do it. Sure the market is smaller, but so what? If you are after pure money, getting a well paid job instead would work much better (like being a dentist, I believe it's a well paid job). I also said that alternative is learning English, as it is an international language (giving you access to bigger market).

                You don't know if "most" authors strive to improve. I don't know either. I'm happy to talk about this at discord, it doesn't really matter to me. Forums exist for the purpose of discussion. I don't feel like you insulted me, and I don't think I insulted you in any way. But, if you want to continue at discord, I will comply.

                Piokilek If you look at my replies, my stance is clear. I don't tell people whether to sign it or not. I tell people it is their own choice. I read amazon terms of service, especially if you take their royalty shares. That is incorrect. They can terminate your account true, but not for free (as in for nothing), and they have to notify you of such termination.

                They can't take your income. They can offset returns
                "If we pay you a Royalty on a sale and later issue a refund, return, or credit for that sale, we may offset the amount of the Royalty previously paid for the sale against future Royalties, or require you to remit that amount to us.

                if a third party asserts that you did not have all rights required to make one of your Books available through the Program, we may hold all Royalties due to you until we reasonably determine the validity of the third party claim.

                Upon termination of this Agreement, we may withhold all Royalties due for a period of three months from the date they would otherwise be payable in order to ensure our ability to off-set any refunds or other offsets we are entitled to take against the Royalties. "

                And so on. Only if you break the law, will they not pay up those royalties. The reason will be there when they notify you. I read them, and I can even link their terms and conditions.

                We should spend the time and energy on writing — and not on excessively long rants each time a person makes a comment or statement. Also, if you don't know the truth, nor have you walked a mile in the person's shoes, you should be mindful of what you attempt to preach; since, you have zero experience in the shoes.

                [unknown] Yeah, its different when it comes to kindle select. I know a person who earned 18k but then amazon said the views were fake and cut it in half to 9k. They said if you have a problem with that, you can sue them. Good luck with that. I'm not saying Amazon is bad, I just say its also as shady as everyone else.

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