Poor reviews of New System
Tomoyuki What happened to the amazon author btw, u didnt explain after that. Also u could easily sue and file it to b me taken down. Yes it takes times, while sueing will cost a little bit of money to initiate, but unlike pirate sites, since amazon is a sell company, u can easily gain the right back and most likely gain more $ than they gained from stealing your novel (since theres also a fine adding to the damages) if u do the procedures
JKaiya Nothing...Amazon refused to recognize my claim, even though I reported the book and the author. Said that they couldn't validate that I'm the real writer. I've informed my editor, and Webnovel as a company will send a DCMA because I'm not the only one who is a victim. At least 20 Webnovel stories have been stolen, plagiarized and sold on Amazon, so they are taking legal action, as far as I know.
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Your reply was crude and actually out of context.He in no way was rude he was just pointing out the price cost since new changes has almost doubled no one asked for free books but at the current rate of reading a book with 2k plus chapters and i use the word chapters loosely because 7 pages is hardly one the cost to finish each book is roughly 300 to 500 us dollars now if like me your reading 10 plus books your looking at 3000 to 6000 for a handful of books.
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nofeariheal I never accused anyone of being rude?
And uh, diegosilang did technically ask to read for free because he claims that earning SS took most of his precious time and therefore "it cannot be considered free reading." But since when is earning SS worth any money?
I don't go to a bookstore and demand that I am entitled a free book just because I have to pass through the ads and posters pinned up in the bookshop. That's just not logical. That's all I'm pointing out. Certainly never accused anyone of being rude, nor am I taking his quote out of context.
Also, your math doesn't make sense. What book has 2,000 chapters? If you're paying $300-500 for a single series, you're paying for 100 volumes of a single series, and that means each book costs $3-5. Look at a Japanese webnovel for example. When they get adapted as a light novel, does Dengeki Bunko publish hundreds of chapters into a single volume? No. They divide it to about 10-20 chapters per volume, and then sell each volume at a full price. If you want to collect the entire series of Arifureta, for example, you buy 15 volumes, and that's going to cost you about $150. Why do people keep making up this "single book costs $500" when you're actually purchasing multiple volumes of the same series?
Perhaps you can make a case for these series needing to be cheaper because the quality is not there or whatever, but it's utter BS and completely dishonest to claim that you're paying $500 for a single book when you're actually purchasing approximately 100 volumes worth of content for that price.
nofeariheal Your reply was crude and actually out of context.
If you were referring to Tomoyuki's response to this statement:
diegosilang Earning SS also took most of our precious time so it cannot be considered as free reading. We bear watching useless ads just to earn points.
Then, nah, it's not crude at all. It's the proper response for self-entitled people who think that their time watching ads is more valuable than the time these authors have put in writing these books.
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Tomoyuki You can't really compare webnovel.com books to japanese light novels, those are professionally edited, and translated, as well as come with artwork. On top of that, many light novels are based on webnovels that were and are currently still free to read. Such as Mushoku Tensei, Shield Hero, Arifureta, etc.
That being said, webnovel, and translators are free to charge whatever they feel comfortable with.
I'm with most authors here, if I understand correctly; I'm against being a "free" customer, paying for any service with only watching advertisements. Honestly, I think it ruins most content on the internet, news and creative works all the same.
I just know that I and many other consumers similar to me, isn't going to pay a cent to a service or work like this. If Privileged chapters were kept as it is now, but the rest of paid chapters could be accessed with a 1$ or 2$ per month subscription per novel I wanted to read (up until Privileged chapters), then I'd actually be able to afford this. But the current system seems to rely on Whales, which I and many, many other just aren't. I do pay for amateur work with a few subscriptions here and there, but I just can't see any reason nor make any justification for me to pay anything here.
I just hope those who currently do creative work here WN actually feel they earn what they should, because, from my perspective, I can't see how this system can possible be successful or at least be the most optimal.
This site's a cesspool of toxicity and entitlement. Tue 'authors' here are the prime example of self-deluded fools who think that their shit is worth is weight in gold. The biggest issue is that you're on a competitive platform competing against other competitive platforms that give better free shit FOR FREE. The people there are happy to do so, because of the community, because of the opportunity for free criticism, and because it gets their work out there. The quality on this site, does not support the business model they want to use... The price they want you to pay, simply isn't worth it; time is money, and mine is better spent elsewhere.
Xaio_Long I'm not comparing in terms of quality or price. I'm comparing in terms of quantity. I'm talking about math here.
In fact, I did say that you can make a case for these series needing to be cheaper because the quality is not there, something that you completely overlooked for some reason. What I'm annoyed is the people making claims about a single book costing $500 and then comparing it to professionally published books that they can purchase for $20. That's just dishonest.
Webzayne Tue 'authors' here are the prime example of self-deluded fools who think that their shit is worth is weight in gold.
I don't think my content is worth anything in terms of gold. And if you don't want to pay for it, DON'T. Simple as that. No one is forcing you to pay for it. If you don't think it's worth the money or cost to read, then, yeah, don't buy it. It's the same logic eveywhere else. I don't purchase light novels that I don't like or I think are badly written. But I'm not as deluded and entitled as you to demand that I have the right to read such light novels for free either.
Of course if you find something better to spend your time and money on, then go there. No one is stopping you. I don't see the logic of, "I can find something better to spend my time and money on elsewhere, so instead of going elsewhere, I demand that YOU RELEASE YOUR STORIES FOR FREE!"
By the way, as I said, I don't care about money. I encourage my readers to use free pass, even if I don't get anything out of it. Because I understand that my stuff isn't worth paying for. So I'm not as deluded and entitled as you are.
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"This site's a cesspool of toxicity and entitlement."
I agree. The readers here are the most entitled I've ever seen.
"Tue 'authors' here are the prime example of self-deluded fools who think that their shit is worth is weight in gold."
Some readers here are the prime example of self-absorbed bitch-babies who think their opinions matter to people who aren't paid by them.
"The biggest issue is that you're on a competitive platform competing against other competitive platforms that give better free shit FOR FREE."
This is your invitation to leave and read there instead.
"The people there are happy to do so, because of the community, because of the opportunity for free criticism, and because it gets their work out there."
Fuck you. Pay me.
"The quality on this site, does not support the business model they want to use... The price they want you to pay, simply isn't worth it; time is money, and mine is better spent elsewhere."
Bye Felicia
Webzayne
People like you are the reason that writers stop writing for 'free'. Seriously, why should we? When you feel entitled enough to demand free reading.
Yes, there are people like me that put their work up for free. I do so because wIwant to, not because weI come begging you for 'your criticism.' As soon as you start thinking that, I'll close up shop, because I could care less about the opinions of someone that only reads 'free shit' and not anything that is worth a bit of money for all the time and effort it takes to improve one's writing skills. I don't write for you. I write for me, whatever those motives may be.
I don't think any of us needs you to tell us for who or why we should write.
Webzayne
Okay then, to start things on:
******* ***** ***** *** ***** - put a bunch of random insults you could cut from your posts and put them there adressed to you, since I don't want to anger the ah allmighty @yaoyueyi on my case.
Now, the real part of the reply:
The greatest difrence between a readers like you (or in this case, any other) and authors like us, is that you look at the market from the customer point of view, while we actually study the situation way deeper, as we need to decide on our aproach in order to monetize our works. You can believe me or not, but most of the authors who wants to earn from their novels, are weighting their possibilities and choosing the one, most suitable for them.
Like with amazon and royal road - you know they put some free stuff to read, and thats where your knowledge and (hehe) expertise (wink wink to all those who are capable of percieving sarcasm here) ends... EXACTLY THERE.
On the other hand, any author who actually looks at writing as something that is not only a passion but also a mean to earn their keep, knows that for the most part, Royal Road is either a source of exposure for your patreon, or free site where you can get HARSH reviews, that actually can help you improve your story before you will set on the hard road of publishing on amazon.
People like you have no idea how costly hiring an editor is, how many diffrent kinds of editors your average story requires to be capable of earning on amazon, what are the steps of publishing your story there, what are the strategic moves you need to consider when you even think about this kind of option.
So, what you see, is just the surface of extremly deep topic, yet you pretend as you have the knowledge and right to speak about it as a whole?
Preposterous!
And now, to your post:
Webzayne This site's a cesspool of toxicity and entitlement.
And you are the prime example of those aspects. You are toxic, and you act entilted.
Webzayne Tue 'authors' here are the prime example of self-deluded fools who think that their shit is worth is weight in gold.
Generalisation, opinion. 0 facts. As always, someone who knows nothing pretends to be an expert about the topic. Most of the authors I know from WN, are looking at their stories with scorn and are feeling bad that they can't constantly keep rewriting every single chapter of theirs. For example, I'm the greatest critic of my own story, openly calling it trash because of the problems the initial 100 chapters has.
Webzayne you're on a competitive platform competing against other competitive platforms that give better free shit FOR FREE.
Yep, others give stuff for free. Some are doing so to gain exposure before locking ENTIRE story behind paywall, others do so to get free edits, and the great majority of those FREE SITES are just damned pirates, who earns from the stories they stole and thanks to the readers that are entilted just like you into thinking that they have the right to read them for free.
Webzayne The people there are happy to do so, because of the community, because of the opportunity for free criticism, and because it gets their work out there.
Nooooooope. Everyone outside of a few passionates, publish their stories for free ONLY because they have greater end goal in mind. Same like WN once was free for everyone who would put ANY effort into stockpiling their SS, some of the sites are aimed at the publishing of the EARLY DRAFT of the stories. Are they any better? Thats not for me to judge, but I would rather say that other sites simply are directed toward diffrent genres. The fact that you preffer dark fantasy over wuxia, doesn't mean wuxia are bad. It's just your taste.
Webzayne The quality on this site, does not support the business model they want to use...
And once again, you have all the right to say that, yet no authority to get anyone to listen to you.
Webzayne The price they want you to pay, simply isn't worth it;
Yet you are actually here, ranting about the entire fact. That simply proves that you are yet another sad troll who is unwilling to pay due costs of the entertainment so you decided to spill your poison on the forums, in order to improve your mood. Thats the very definition of toxic behaviour
Webzayne time is money,
And yet you are against authors trying to monetise the time they wasted on writing their stories, funny.
Webzayne and mine is better spent elsewhere.
Sayonara! No one will miss you here. And trust me, if I ever see you on this forum or on any novel out there, I will make sure to slam every single of my arguments back at your toxic face over and over again.
Now, begone. You are not welcome here.
Not sure how my math is wrong when i pay several times a week pay 100$ for 5000 coins and at chapter rate between 7 to 11 coins lets say on average 8.5 coins thats about 588 3 to 4 page (chapters <<not really)and most of the books containing 1500 to 2500 chapters how exactly is that not 300 plus a book?
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To further validate my point since money is the issue on whether your able to open your mouth and voice an opinion to you self entitled clowns on this free forum...i sink 1k plus a month usa in buying coins and i find the random ass ads that pop up annoying..and they sometimes crash my dam app.