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Listaanime99

While some of this is true, your account isn’t entirely accurate. Whatever beliefs you have are fine, but the biblical/Christian account also should be told accurately if it is being quoted. There could be mistakes here because I’m not perfect, but I’ll try to give a more accurate description from a “biblical perspective”.

Satan wasn’t defective. He was the leader of the angels and choose to rebel. He had free choice as the general of the angels. Other angels don’t have free will (that is true). By the way, he reveled because he wanted to rule heaven with god. He commanded something like 1/3 of the angels, so he wanted half and equal rights to god. When god refused, he led his angels in revolt.

Fun fact, demons and angels are the same creatures! They look the same and have the same powers. The only difference is the mast set they serve. There are also twice as many angels as demons since they don’t reproduce. However, humans are an entirely different creature.

This gets more and more complicated the deeper you go, so I’ll stick with basics. God created humans for companionship. he gave them free choice from the start. They are not descendants from anything else but god. We also were made in gods image. People ask what god looks like a lot. He looks like a human. We were made to be like him. By the way, humans are spirts in Christian beliefs. Think of it like a spirit that is living in a body. The spirit is what never dies and such. The body is the Vessel your spirit exists on earth in.

So what’s with the apple and the tree? Mankind isn’t perfect, that is a difference we have with god. Eden was perfect, and god gave it to Adam and Eve. When eve ate the apple (with Adam, they both did it), she let some into the perfect world. God can’t coexist with sin, so he couldn’t live on earth with them anymore. Basically, Eve gave the world to Satan when she ate the apple. Things like decay and death started at this point. She could do this because god gave ownership of the world to Adam and Eve. Everything in the Bible is gods plan to reverse this and reestablish his relationship with humanity.

Again, this is my take on Christian beliefs as a Christian. You can disagree if you want.

Some fun facts people miss about Christian beliefs:

  • God creates everything in order from least impressive to most impressive. The last thing, and thus greatest thing, he created is Woman (not man).

  • Man and Woman were made for a different purpose, but they are supposed to work together. In fact, man has half of the positive traits of god while woman has the other half. A couple that is a man and woman are most like god when they work together well. This was intentional design. You could describe it like this, a man and a woman working together in harmony have powers at gods level. By themselves they are operating at half capacity at best (the Bible claims that they get something like 10,000 times more powerful together).

  • God gave man authority over the world and everything in it. In other words, all humans are greater then anything else in existence here. We have the right, from god, to rule over everything else. That comes with responsibilities to care for it too... looking up olden rules for leadership/kings makes that clear.

  • Satan didn’t give humans free will. They always had it. Without free will, you can’t defy god. This was intended so that humans could choose to love god. Alternatively, some have to choose not to to prove that we really have a choice. God designed it this way on purpose. This is why Christians should never be “pushy” about their views. God says he will be the one to call people to him. Christians are just supposed to make people aware of the gospel, or the story of Jesus, so that everyone knows they have a choice.

      shadowdrake27 I read the bible when I was very little and didn't remember a couple of things you mentioned, but this was very cool! Thanks for sharing!
      Ps. I always thought the apple they ate was an euphemism for sex 👀

          Listaanime99

          No problem! The apple is really an apple as far as I know. There are a lot of metaphors in the Bible, but that is not one of them (lol). Also, I agree with your assume that on fate. I think people have free will to choose what they do.

            DaoBart well we have supernatural powers, and there's different ways to achieve it and one of them is Austerity that monk in old China practice which unlock a very few powers in human bodies, as scientists said human brain has unknown capabilities that still we can't found to how active it , there is also another way which gives humans some weird and strong power but is not recommended for normal humans and they shouldn't go in that direction if they are not ready to accept to consciousness of it because they will lose their Conscience in the process of it , and it's about to make a contact with the creatures that are hidden from us humans , i don't want to talk about it anymore and its not recommended because i know few ppl that suffered from it greatly....anyway there is nothing like cultivation but ways to achieve powers that humans aren't allowed to use...
            The end.

                2 months later

                There are many theories of how the world began, in one hand we have religion and in the other we have science, but the one thing that i find in comon is that they both have a missing part for example religion says god created everything, my question to that how did god existed and why? for science we have the big bang, and the same question, how and why.
                The space we live in is just like a speck of sand in a desert, so my question how is that this planet (earth) is the only one in the vast cosmos that has life, or why we want to believe that.
                Maybe cultivators are people of those worlds we don't know in this bast universe.
                somthing i am certain is that in this moment there are no earthly cultivators, why do i say that? Because the world we live in is too young or to old and it doesn't have spirituality, mana, qi, prana however you like to call it, or it is just extremely thin so it doesn't affect anything (i include animals and plants).

                In conclusion........i want to cultivate......):

                i just wanted to post something because i found it very interesting, and wanted to share something

                Pd: because we can't do it now doesn't mean we can't do it later it is just that we lack knowledge to do it.

                shadowdrake27
                Your explanation was very good, i am not a religious man myself, i believe that religion is like a guide for people to better themselves in a way the predesesors stablished, for example the ten commandments.
                you mention creationalism, but let me ask you something, in the bible it is said that god created the sun, the earth and the moon but it never mentions the other planets in the solar system and going further nothing about other systems in the galaxy, what is your opinion on that, based on your religious beliefe, it's just a curiosity of mine don't feel ofended and if you do, i ask you pardon me.

                    itsugo

                    Sure, I don’t mind having a friendly discussion. I’ll start by saying that this is my opinion, and everyone has a different opinion. So, I respect the fact that you are not religious.

                    Actually, I disagree with the initial premise. You have to remember that the Bible was written my men who lived like 2,000 years ago. They didn’t know what “planets” or “black holes” or “space” were. After god created light and the sea, he created lights in the sky (or stars). Those are all of the things that you are looking for. They just didn’t know what all of the “lights” were. If you are curious, this is Genesis 1:14.

                    Also, on a personal note, I’ve studied space a lot. I’m literally an aerospace engineer. You might be curious to hear that nothing in space conflicts with the Bible (except the belief that god is real, which can’t be proven scientifically). However, some different aspects of more modern explanations of the universe, like the Big Bang, have mathematical and theoretical problems that can’t be solved. Again, my opinion. That’s why Steven Hawkins argues that there is no beginning: he can’t explain how the beginning happens. Even models that run in an infinite loop with white holes spawning new universes would need something (or someone) to start the process...

                      a month later

                      Reku_Nu_Hax If it's not a bother would you be able to share this with me as well? There is no direct message system on this platform unfortunately.

                          6 days later

                          DaoBart dam! I thought i was the only one thinking about cultivator but there are also other thinking the same

                              12 days later

                              No it isn't possible. Simply because This is the real world, and those are things from fantasy. They do not and never will exist in real life. Sadly

                                24 days later

                                I do think it’s possible Buddha was one of them he did cultivate under a tree for along time in order to be enlightened. In my opinion you have to help those people in need and make them believe that your a god or send by the god in order to gain enlightenment.

                                  suprim_bhandari it might be possible when humans can create worlds and living beings and enhance or evolve through their gene enhancement.

                                      6 days later

                                      AerynSun That's a true cultivation art 'Heavenly patience cultivation art' hahahahThat's a true cultivation art 'Heavenly patience cultivation art' hahahah

                                        Anything can occur within Psychiatric hospitals. You can cultivate there as much as you want. Perhaps one day you will reach enlightenment...and calm your mind.

                                          13 days later

                                          DaoBart I agree and if I cannot find cultivation in this life. I will try in the next one if I don't get born to a cultivation world

                                              No idea really,
                                              but if you go by the definition of "cultivating" in a very simple case like 'cultivating the land' then the food that we eat is the land and the crops and trees that are cultivated on that land are actually the cells born within our body.
                                              The only difference is that how tall are the trees that can grow on your land.
                                              But on the other hand if your land is strong enough to become a mountain then I don't think that the height of the trees would matter anymore.

                                              Just saying

                                                a month later

                                                Ol right people,... its coming down..

                                                  5 days later

                                                  Many people that want to learn how to become a xianxia cultivator but honestly they do not deserve it. Most people that want to be cultivators never took even an hour to just sit and meditate or even for 10 minutes, or also immediately giving up after just reading one forum. In real life there may have been a cultivator, a person from ancient times when he clapped it was enough to break someone's ear drums. The best method to learn how to become a body or xiandao cultivator ultimately is to go to China and try excavating(archaeology). Specifically mountain areas since in real life very long time ago sects( I don't know about cultivator sects) are generally reclusive, considering the fact that there is no publicly known Xiandao or body cultivation manuals out there. So that's your best luck is excavating and perhaps eventually you may even find a genuine ancient cultivation manual.

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                                                    Finally people who also think like me. Here is a theory I came up with.

                                                    Immortal Through Religion is another possibility. I will talk about Christianity since I'm more familiar with it. You can say that God or the True God is the best to become immortal through in this religion. Some think that he is the only god.h e said he is the only True God not the only god. He said he made humans in his image and likeness, so that mean he gave us the ability to do things like him. He created us so that mean we can create life or things that are in our image and likeness, which to an extent means we are little gods. So that mean that either every or most souls you see are either a part of the True God ,he took part of himself to create our souls, or he awakened first from the collected conscious and help nurture and awaken other souls ahead of time. What this mean is that we become gods or god like but never a True God like him. Immortality of is seen as a trait for gods or god like beings, immortals as an example. Anyway to become immortal through this way is to abide by their teaching in each religion. You are trying to make your god acknowledge you and use their power to increase your lifespan, and as you rise in ranks of your religion your knowledge increase, and also your body will be strength. You may even be able to gain and/or change into a new form and/or race, Angels for some religions. This way also means that you have to open yourself or soul to them and allow them to enter and change you so you can become immortal through their power. There will be other immortals or gods that will find souls and/or make religion it give a chance to mortals. There many ways to become immortal but these are the two easiest ways that I have come up with that have a higher chance of reaching Immortality. The other ways are harder to execute or performed. The first example can be seen in the real world and data can be found that being active let you live longer so what if you work with that goal in mind instead of passively get it as a benefit. This mean instead of working to gain strength with the side benefit of longer lifespan, we should work for longer lifespan with the side benefit of strength. There are many people that can become immortal because of religion. As they gain more followers and/or mortals and make a connection, that allows some gods and/or immortals may gain the knowledge of that followers which will help them step closer to becoming omniscient. Let me know how this theory sound, and if I should go further into the theory.

                                                      Mortal life as Foundation for immortal life

                                                      You can consider living a long mortal life for at least 1000 years (mortal saint) and experience mortal life as Qi Gathering (immortal way). You can consider the time when a mortal accept his dreams, ideas, thought out possible what if or alternatively different reality as past lives and the him of now is the base personality for the future and use those as experience and opportunities to understand things faster even if they have not experienced it as Foundation Establishment (immortal way) You can consider that the time a mortal anchor their current personality as the base and prepare for death and accept the different possibilities of death and avoid them or experience them to lay a barrier around themselves and nurture more experience and possibilities that are experienced in different ways and thought up of or even dreamed of as Core Formation (immortal way) The mortal can continue to live life or experience death and experience death but this also a tribulation as if the will is not strong their memories will be erased and not be able to experience birth from the moment of time intermingling of yin (female egg) and yang (male sperm) and use DNA of good quality and less bad like defects and establish a better mortal foundation and stronger soul or a conscious cluster of Qi or molecules. The mortal could continue to live longer and hope their soul is strong enough to hold their body together and maybe even slow or stop the aging of the body or with a strong foundation or soul can even reverse back to youth to a certain extent. Their may be chance where bad luck or tribulation start to happen and death may be present and if you get through it you can live longer and which can be considered as tribulation for the for the mortal and/or to advance or known as Nascent Soul (immortal way). This the last I'm going to give for now the mortal will have their soul strength increase and compress and experience quantitative and qualitative change or the conscious Qi or molecules compress and improve and gather more molecules and increase density or strength to hold mortal body but their will come a time of tribulation where the soul start getting weak and/or tired and the body might start to aging again and they have to will themselves to continue live and experience another qualitative change to the soul or conscious Qi or molecules which can be called Divinity Soul, Enlightened Soul, Transcendent Mortal, or Tribulation Crossing (immortal way) There are was to make this faster by living in virtual reality and experience different possibilities and death possibilities without putting the mortal body at harm and experience many things and may strength the soul faster.

                                                        DaoBart
                                                        I believe they do
                                                        as for cultivating, you could say those who temper their body are somewhat body cultivators, and those who follow religious sects and maphysics can be called spiritual cultivators, martial arts is the perfect combination of these two, you have to follow a breathing pattern and move your body at the same time, meditation with a correct breathing technique may as well be one method as well.

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                                                          All right, let's level it up.
                                                          Brain is the most evolved organ within our body and that is why it is present at the top of evolutionary ladder also known as the spinal chord.
                                                          Considering that the brain operates on the basis of only five sensory organs, where each sensory organ somehow fundamentally corresponds to each of the five basic elements of the world, it is not actually very difficult to perform basic elemental cultivation.
                                                          So if aliens can exist, let's face it cultivators can too.

                                                            17 days later

                                                            To answer this question we first need to ask ourselves what energy is. What is energy? We first need to know what may be God.

                                                            We know that the world has laws governing everything, matter and energy as well life... We don't need to think so much about the physical aspect of everything, but the spiritual aspect. If the world has universal laws, which we are far from fully understanding, what is the point of origin of these laws? What defines how the world we know or don't know should work? In my opinion, this is God. I don't know what or who God is, but I can feel divine permission in everything that happens.

                                                            Good and evil, creation and destruction, reality and fantasy... Everything is as it should be. I can say that the laws that allow the world to function as we know it are reflections of God's Will. But... Can we really know and understand God? I don't know, but I know that this Will rules and permits everything, including our imagination... So, it is interesting to ask yourself what separates our imagination from reality? Our thoughts have approval of the laws of this world, what guarantees that it is impossible for this world to function in a completely different way than we are used to?

                                                            Now back to the first question, our science is still far from understanding the essence of energy. But I have an alternative answer for myself, no matter what the energy is, it can undoubtedly change over time.

                                                            Energy may be seen as the currency of the world, really. From the very beginning as we know until now. Our imagination consumes energy, our reality consumes energy... Perhaps tomorrow we will all wake up with the ability to cultivate, or with magical powers. Or maybe we can just change the way we look at the world, and see fantasy as part of our reality. Or maybe, one day we can make the fantasy come true.

                                                            We don't know who or what God is, any more than we know what energy is. Do the laws of the world consume energy too? Who knows. I believe everything may be possible, because God's Will may have no limits. Cultivation is just a small part of the infinite possibilities.

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