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Tomoyuki

Time spent is not equal to the result.

Also no, let's pull up the work of a best selling author.
https://www.amazon.com/Way-Kings-Brandon-Sanderson

This book's hardcover version is $15 USD. The book contains 1008 pages. Each page is considered 250 words,
Rounding down, that would put the book at around 250k words. Both web novels and most books allow for a small amount of prepurchase reading, thus "free content is not a factor."

Also, side note you can buy the stormlight archive trilogy which would around 750k words for $25 USD.

Using crude math, if brought in at WN prices this book would cost $25 USD. And, what we are obtaining is not a best seller, not an edited novel, not something which the author put the same amount of effort into writing.

Brandon Sanderson writes around 2k words a day, many webnovel authors claim to write around 5000 to 12000.

So, sorry I'm not paying more than a best seller for some justified word vomit. (One can even ignore kindle unlimited which smashes the face of WN prices. Also note that I used a hardcover not even the paperback or mass-market which is around $7.

Also, it's not about what the writer makes, it's about what the customer pays. All methods of publication, have costs, self, tradition, and even WN.

So, your WN writer claims to write a full novel in 10 days, while the traditional writer, pushes one in x8 the time. Then factor in the difference in editing etc.

    Acutelittletrap Kindle Unlimited is pretty bad for writers, and they are underpaid. I don't know if you saw my post from somewhere else, but I explained that Kindle Unlimited writers all earn from a shared pool of money, and get proportionate to the number of views the get. So let's say a bunch of readers buy and they get a total pool of $1,000, shared over 1,000 writers. The writers with more views will get a larger portion of that $1,000 pool, especially if they already have an established fanbase. It makes it even more difficult for new writers to earn anything, especially if their works get so many less views. It becomes a competition, and a pretty cutthroat one.

    Is Webnovel perfect? Far from it. But there's a reason why people consider it an alternative to Kindle. Also, a lot of the self published Kindle books also lack professional editing (I ought to know, I supported my friends who self publish on Amazon Kindle). And my friends earn pitiful amounts, to the point some don't even bother updating the next volume, simply because it's not worth the time and effort.

      Tomoyuki

      If your work is not productive, you don't make money. Amazon or any other vendor is not responsible for a writer's profits.

      These writers are not employed nor are they providing a service. Honestly, they are salesmen who sell their books. At the end of the day, your friends ignored that one must have good marketing, and a product to sell.

      Just because you work 16 hours in a day, does not mean I have to pay you if I don't want to.

      (And, WN is not like amazon. As WN, is not a vendor it's a publisher.)

        Acutelittletrap Writers are not providing a service. Are you bloody serious?

        Then don't read the books. What the f, dude. So you want people to write for free?

        And no, I'm not saying you must pay me if you don't want to. However, if you're going to read and enjoy something that I put 16 hours into (I can't believe you claim that's not a service), then you sure as hell better pay for it. If you don't want to pay for it, then don't read it. I don't care. I'm not forcing you to read my book, but you don't get to read it and then declare that you're not going to pay for it.

        Do you go to a restaurant, eat the food there, then walk out without paying? Do you go to a cinema and watch a movie without paying for a ticket?

        What kind of attitude is that? "Just because people work to make the movie, it doesn't mean I have to pay if I don't want to." THEN DON'T WATCH THE MOVIE! Where do you get off, watching the movie and then declaring that you don't have to pay if you don't want to?

          Heres the thing to everyone complaining about prices and how authors don't deserve to make money because they are literally salespeople.

          How the fk did you get through college or university? Last time I checked, books weren't handed out freely. Nor could you borrow them. Webnovel is a publishing site and not a vendor? Which book publishing company would willingly give you a book for free? The books you get at the library are only for borrow, not keep. The library pays for the books. You are lucky you are in a society where you can "BORROW" books. Back in the day, you had to PAY IMMENSE amounts just for a book.

          Stop being such a spoiled brat, if you don't wanna pay. Just get out. You're too arrogant if you think the world dictates what you think. If webnovel authors don't make money, how will we live? If you didn't have a job, how would you live? Do you think you'll get a house for free? As well as food? Those things you see on youtube where the homeless get money and food like it's a natural occurrence doesn't happen to 90% of homeless beggars I'll let you know.

          So just stop being a little brat about it. If I was a forum mod, I would've already locked this as it's completely useless and is destroying Webnovel from inside out.

            Tomoyuki

            If people read their books, authors would get paid. The problem is people are not reading the fucking books. I have pointed out an author who is a multimillionaire whose books you can get in paperback that are cheaper than webnovel.

            You can read all of Harry Potter, a billion-dollar franchise, for less than an unedited and unfished novel on this platform, this is not about people getting paid, its about being fair to the consumer.

              @Rianolinon
              1. Don't twist my words, this is not about people getting paid. (Brandon Sanderson, is a millionaire.
              And so is the author of Harry potter.

              Yes, you can borrow books, libraries have been out for hundreds of years... And, that is not the topic. I work hard for my money, and I don't spend any of it here because the product sucks.

              Just because you wrote something, I have to pay for it? No, I won't read it and you won't get paid. Or maybe I would, if you had reasonable prices, but given (WN) does not, I'll take my money elsewhere. Why because I fucking worked for my money. So, I will dam well spend it how I fucking, please.

              And, no self-published authors are salespeople or better-said businessmen/women And, I never said salespeople should not be paid what type of stupid logic is that?

              Get it? If I don't read your novel, you don't get paid. If you charge to much, I don't read your novel and you don't get paid.

                Acutelittletrap If you are not reading anyone's stories, then obviously you don't have to pay for them. Duh. I don't even know what you're trying to do here.

                No one is asking to get paid just because they write. All I did was point out that if you read someone's story, you should pay that person because he put in the hours and work to write that story for you to read. Obviously, when I'm talking about payment, I'm talking about readers who have actually read the story, who should pay for the writers for writing the stories that they read. That is a service writers provided. If readers consume a story for entertainment, they should pay for it. Otherwise, why should he spend hours writing a story for the reader's entertainment or enjoyment if he gets absolutely nothing in return? He might as well spend his time doing other things then, maybe watch anime or read manga, or hang out with friends. But no, he chose to write so that these readers have something to read for entertainment. But then now you come in with this weird claim that you're not reading the story. Wtf? If you're not reading his story, if you're not paying to buy his story, why are you complaining that he is getting paid by other people who buy his story? Like, seriously? What exactly is the point you're making now?

                This is not about people getting paid? Then what exactly are you even whining about now? No one, and I repeat, NO ONE is forcing you to buy and read something you don't want to read. If you don't spend any of it here because the product sucks, that's your prerogerative. Has anyone forced you to buy anything you don't want to read? I don't see anyone saying that you must pay writers even if you don't read their stories. No one is telling you how to spend your money.

                You're the one coming here and saying writers should not be paid. And now you're backtracking and claiming that you are not saying that, and make up some weird argument about having the right to spend your money however you please, and that you have the right to not spend money here and not read here. No one ever said otherwise.

                Harry Potter, by the way, has been out for over 10 years. 12, actually, since the last book first came out. And do you know how much they cost back then? The first three books cost about $15, and the next four books cost about $30 each. The first three books were about 300+ pages each, and the next four books were about 600+ pages each. And they cost $15 and $30 when they first came out. Of course they are sold cheaper now, they have been in circulation for 10 years. How many of the stories on Webnovel are older than 10 years? And they are sold less than half the price of Harry Potter novels when they first came out. Yeah, Harry Potter books are professionally edited, but that's why they cost twice the amount of novels here when they first come out (for the same length).

                Fair to the consumer? You're paying much less for amateur webnovels than you are for standard new novels, and that's because of quality, etc. I can point to you other examples. Black Library, which publishes Warhammer 40,000 novels, sell eBooks from between $12 to $18, depending on the length. For the same length you can buy lower quality webnovels here, for about $6-$8. Yeah, they suck. They are unedited. But you get what you pay for, and they cost like half of professional stories out there.

                Also, "unfinished" is such a deceptive term. Most professional stories are not "finished" either. You buy them when their volumes come out. When Harry Potter book 6 came out, people had to wait 2 years for book 7. No one knew for certain how long Rowling would take to come out, but was she obligated to write book 7? No. What about Martin and the Game of Thrones? Just because you want the next book doesn't mean Martin is obligated to write it and sell it as soon as possible. Here's an article on entitled fans demanding for a sequel to "unfinished" stories: http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

                What are you paying for, then? You are paying for the chapters and volumes already in existence. It doesn't matter if it's an amateur or professional writer - you don't buy a novel just because you think there's a guaranteed sequel. People didn't buy book 5 or 6 of Harry Potter and then complained about it being unfinished. They patiently waited for Rowling to write book 7. Similarly, if you buy 100 chapters, you are paying for those 100 chapters. You are not paying for 200 chapters. You have to wait for 101-200 to be written and published. You are paying 20 cents today for a chapter that just came out today, and your 20 cents does not include whatever chapter that may or may not come out tomorrow. If you don't like the uncertainty, then you don't have to buy the stories, which are already cheaper when you compare it to new professional stories (about less than half the price). No one is forcing you to buy them.

                So I honestly have no idea what exactly you are whining about now, if you claim that you are not against writers being paid. They do a terrible job, yes. Their stories run the risk of being unfinished, yes. They are being paid way less than professional writers (amateur writers get paid 20 cents for every 200 words, as opposed to professional writers who earn $1 per word). Obviously. No one is protesting against that. You can choose not to buy and read their stories, which...is what you are doing. So...what exactly are you whining about? That these writers are being paid for writing terrible and unfinished stories, and you want them to not get paid?

                  Tomoyuki

                  The difference between a book and a web novel is that a standard book closes a major arc.
                  Also, when you buy a series, such as harry potter, you are aware that your buying part 1/3 (Most of the time).

                  The people who don't finish series, are A dead, B writing at the level they can't profit off of. This goes for WN, self-published works. And, to a smaller extent, traditionally published novels.
                  What bugs me about WN, is that even the stories that only require translation are not completed.
                  A web novel, can end during an important battle.

                  Also, where do you get the idea that professional writes get paid $1 a word? No novel costs that much, to a single consumer. Unless your asking one to write you a novel? Which is totally different as then you would own the copywrite. So that is vastly different.

                  You focus too much on payment per word as I have said before I'd rather sell my story to a million people and make a million dollars then sell it two times for a dollar a world.

                    Acutelittletrap Then go ahead and do that. Stop bchin around here backtracking claims. There is a difference between a book and a web novel. However, they were made for the same purpose. ENTERTAINMENT. Don't even say there are horror books to scare, those are entertainment for others. The same as study books, those are entertainment for others. We authors are only here to PLEASE our readers. Some are here occasionally for money. However, don't forget. WE STILL NEED MONEY TO LIVE. I do not live in a communist society where I can write and get paid like the rest of the people. I live in a society where there are MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE ON THE STREETS.

                    And "What bugs me about WN, is that even the stories that only require translation are not completed."

                    Why don't you try translating 1k+ chapter stories within a month. Most translators are translating 3 chapters a day, which is around 90 chapters a month. Translating isn't that easy as it seems, I've tried before. You need to learn the figurative language as well, otherwise, none of it makes sense.

                    If you don't read a novel, then why are you even arguing here? That means you aren't wasting your SS on something you'll never read. No one cares if a single individual doesn't want to read their novel or not. We only care about our current readers. Not ones that are unloyal.

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