FunnyBuns I write stories of terrible quality. That does not give me the right to call myself an author. Just look at the 2.9 rating for my story.
Most readers have advised me to quit writing, and they tell me I should never be an author, that I should give up and stop polluting the site with my rubbish. Must be great to have all that freedom of speech, eh?
Tomoyuki Well, better tell that 500 fans of yours that is paying for your story the same thing.
MaxwellKHA But I don't have 500 fans paying for my story? Where did you get that from?
Tomoyuki You have Tomo, You have.
Tomoyuki This is proof you have a confirmation bias as you have completely ignored like half the stuff I wrote by saying I haven't looked at it from the author's perspective. If you've looked up what confirmation bias is by now(I hope you have because if you haven't then you are incompetent on top of having a confirmation bias), you'd realize that by ignoring half of what I said to confirm your own personal beliefs as true. I've constantly said both parties are in the wrong, meaning I'm defending the author as the reader could have stopped, but unlike you, I'm also seeing it from a reader's perspective.
FunnyBuns I could throw back the same thing to you. I said I don't agree with what the writer does either. I said I think it's dishonest. I even sympathized with the guy reposting his review. But I said that does not justify harassment. And what exactly do you think are my personal beliefs? That harassment is harassment?
You have completely ignored not just what I said, but also what Kazesenken and LostInFiction said. And you accuse other people of having confirmation bias or incompetent. How rich.
MaxwellKHA Interesting. But I don't even earn anything, my income has been less than $10 a month, not counting MGS.
Not that I care, I tell everyone to use Fast Passes for my story anyway.
So, why does it matter if I'm an author? If anything, I'm pretty new at writing. I honestly don't care about deleting comments, and have never deleted any of my reviews. Why? Because I honestly don't care.
What have I posted here? Simply, a deconstruction of the 'logic' that has been proposed. It is up to others to decide if the points you make are valid or not. All I can say is that you are attempting to police a system that you are unhappy with, saying that WN and everyone should align to your views. And when they don't, you get triggered.
Honestly, Tomoyuki and GrandElderO, stop trying to convince each other as neither one of you are starting to make sense anymore. You are making mountains out of molehills.
It's not us that decides what happens but the community.
Tomoyuki I don't know how fast passes work, but 3000 contribution is certainly from a legit user. Maybe it doesn't directly translate to your income, but hey, someone is paying for your story.
MaxwellKHA Oh, well...I will be grateful to whoever that is.
kazesenken Yeah you have a point, why are people trying to police a system by saying shit like it is wrong to repost or someone doesn't have the right to do it. I'm just saying common sense and common knowledge stuff while so many people are here trying to tell me that someone doesn't have a right they obviously have.
FunnyBuns No one is talking about rights.
Again. LostInFictions is appealing for empathy. She is not saying, "you have no right to repost if an author has deleted your review!" She is saying, "please be understanding, if the author deleted your review, he/she probably has a reason. Maybe it's depression, maybe it's his/her mood. Please be kind and compassionate, and leave it at that."
Nothing to do with silencing. Certainly nothing to do with rights.
Me, I'm just pointing out that you achieve nothing by reposting other than making the author annoyed, and if you keep spamming no matter how many times he/she deleted, it basically becomes harassment. In fact, why waste your time on reposting your review if you know the author is going to delete it? He/she has already read your review, what more do you want? What are you trying to achieve, other than making everyone unhappy? If I were you (and trust me, I have read a lot), I would just move on. I would drop the story (if I haven't already), and look for something else to read. Why would I waste my time with this guy/girl? No matter how upset I am, that doesn't justify harassing him/her. Also, true story. There are authors who reported readers for harassment (basically spamming the same comment over and over again) and got them banned. So Webnovel does take a clear stance on what they think constitutes as harassment.
Nobody is talking about how nobody has the "right" to repost. Everyone here is pointing out the ethics of writing reviews and letting it go when it's clear there is no good that comes out of harassing or spamming the same review over and over again just because the author deletes it.
And you call other people "biased," "childish" or "incompetent." Right.
kazesenken Dude, you seem to be the person that observed this post. Can you tell me what's going on in a nutshell please?
I can't figure out what's going on here since the emotion on this post is overwhelming.
MaxwellKHA Apparently LostInFictions appealed for empathy and suggests that readers should leave it at that if they get their review deleted because there are many reasons why authors chose to delete the review, and no good is going to come out of reposting.
GrandElder0 comes in, criticizes her for advocating the silencing of readers, and insists that readers have the right to repost (no one ever said otherwise and LostInFictions certainly never implied that).
Everyone else is explaining why that perspective is problematic because reposting a review over and over again every time it gets deleted is tantamount to harassment. GrandElder0 disagrees, evidently.
Back and forth. That's about it, essentially.
The summary to all of this is: Does WN even give a ****?
Authors are free to delete whatever they feel like.
Readers are free to get mad if their review gets deleted, and repost.
Yes, it's sad that the effort of the reader in reading and critiquing goes poof at the whim of the author.
Webnovel's system fully allows this.
The question is: when is this back and forth too much?
Is it the author's right to keep their novel looking however they want? Hey, they could delete the whole thing if they really wanted to.
Is it the reader's right for his opinion to be seen by all? Regardless of how the content is perceived by the author?
There can be no gray area in deciding this. However, one person's honest thoughts could easily be perceived as another's trolling. It is subjective, so that's what makes it hard to fully go one way or the other.
At what point does pushing a person's thoughts on another become harassment? It doesn't matter what the review contents are anymore. What matters for those who judge is intent.
What do you intend to do by continuing to repost the review? Who's freedom is being imposed on? Is any party damaged by having the review not being there?
These are the things that you must ask yourself. These are the things the community decides. And maybe (fat chance, lol) if enough people think one way, then WN will change it.
Honestly, just a bunch of misinterpretations (on both sides) that have snowballed into a heated argument. But more or less what Tomoyuki said. Frankly, the more the argument went on, the less it all started making sense to me. I was away from a large part of it and didn't feel like reading it all.
