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Take_the_Moon Sounds like you do have a good basis for a story there. I'm only terrified because of the possible routes you might take if you wrote it, lol. I like to think I'm fairly open-minded. But BL stuff makes me cringe a little. ;p
Then again, Harem just about makes me cringe too these days...

lozlo

Write about the BR Indians?
It's not going to happen, I do not have the property to write about the Indians, besides sending for that fucking future that's happening in BR.

Better not!

I love BL!

I came to a conclusion, the novels are all the same, what will make it different is how well the MC is built and the characters that interact with the MC. Because the world may be cliche, but if the MC is well built then nothing will matter because you will be focused on the climb of the MC to the top of the world.

Now what a lot of authors confused, is what composes this MC, is not only physical description, mental, OP, or empty compliments about its beauty, strength, wisdom, but what builds a good MC are their rivals and loves.

The stronger the rival, villain, enemy, the more interested the reader gets over the plot and how the MC will beat that rival. ISSHT is a clear example of this.

I love this novel! An MC that was not born OP and that goes up gradually, that was defeated and reargue ... Ours, I am a fan of this author!

Anyway, there was nothing different in the story, because there are stories with MC, not OP, but the construction of the MC step by step was the key point of this plot.

Better stop writing about ISSHT if I will not be writing text.

lozlo

I agree with you! Now marry me

Hahahaha! Someone who found this romance sucks!

I fully agree!

On the first part, I also agree, if the ideas that the author writes are not consistent with the proposed reality or against my moral concepts, or even against the basic rationality itself, I also do not read. But, buddy, if even that's not good, the MC must be crap, which does not revoke what I wrote earlier.

No, that's up to a mistake what I wrote above. But I'll leave it anyway, just to clarify my point of view below.

I've read stories that the MC and the world were very good, but then the author started with a talk exalting socialism about capitalism when MC was a stingy businessman!

At first, because of the MC and the novel itself, I kept reading, but there came a time when I could not take it anymore and I left the novel.

So you are absolutely right if the idea that the author passes really, does not match the morality of the reader or with the basic ideas of the reader, you really can not read or like this type of novel.

Take_the_Moon That's not the response I usually elicit from women. So I'm not sure if I should be happy or terrified. You might be working on creating your own BL romance here in the forum, lol. ;p

That's the part that really frustrated me. The portion of the story I read seemed pretty good. He actually built up some of the characters, and there were some intricate relationships. But he made a promise at the beginning of the story, and that promise was actually the reason I read the story. So, when I found out he lied, I quit reading. I've started reading a few novels that did that. Started out "Protagonist Loyal to Love Interest" and then switched to harem/polygamy like 300+ chapters in. It's very disappointing. I'm fairly hesitant to pick up novels that aren't finished for that exact reason.

lozlo

I know how you feel, I've also read novels that promise romance 1x1 and end up in the harem! Or worse, this romance 1x1 in the novel is full of rampant culture or something like that, the author has the dorky face to say that this is a romance full of love!

When that happens, I can only abandon the novel and speak ill of it so nobody will read that kind of crap.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm dunno.

Take_the_Moon That's what I mean by basic because most of what I see is a repeat of that same cliche script. I understand if it's too push the plot along, but it normally doesn't end there with the cliche script and repeats throughout the novel. Its that kind of lazy writing that readers love.

Baal Character portrayal, pacing, description, the logic behind the characters. The different routes the characters can take in that same plot and world is what makes can make it unique. However, most authors tend to go the same route. Example being if I were to compare spirit immortal to doludalu, the world is similar. But the route the author took is completely different.

Demon_Star Exactly but it always turns out the MC kills the son and later on kills the father.

TheOGDuanChen I can't stand JP novels with the nonstop harem and "As expected of MC" lines appearing nonstop.

Toika (Korean) also had that problem A LOT in his Everyone is a Returnee

I've thought of throwing up something for one of these writing contests, but frankly writing a web novel terrifies me. Having to write a chapter a day and expecting it to be fantastic quality is a big challenge. Yeah I could throw a crap filler chapter up there easily, but who wants that? Not only that half the time in a novel you get near the end, then realize oh dang, that beginning part no longer makes any sense. Let me change that, now my whole story flows better and this ending just works. Yet in a webnovel it is impossible to do. It's like a long Improv session rather than a planned comedic routine, it is a completely different skill. No wonder elements of these stories end up changing through out, or skills the MC knows seem to be forgotten about later, all of these things are what an author would go back and verify their continuity once the book was finished, but you never really get that chance while writing a webnovel, you just have to hope people don't notice as you change things to more suit your story.

Demon_Star
I have already stopped reading the novels published in 'next', sometimes they sound more unique though

I guess its the difference between WN and LN. for most of WN they mostly emphasize on the number of words for a book can be considered to be published or in fact in this site to be contracted. It takes one in a million to find an author that can keep on delivering interesting stories with that daily chapter release requirement. I don't think a basic novel wasn't planned. but the change in execution is what causing it to appear a planned novels become a basic novel.
for JP LN on the other hand, if you read on syosetu they doesn't have that kind of requirement. if it's interesting then it got a chance to be published and get contracted. For example, if you require a CN WN to follow a JP LN it might cut 50% of their words and a JP LN if changed into CN WN it might makes it thrice as long as it is. well, it is just my own opinion though.

TheOGDuanChen I see. So, when you say unique, you mean "well thought out." I'd have to toss that one in the air, because I've seen novels that were so well "thought out" that they were basically 50% filler. Take any Er Gen novel as an example. Generic, cliche, predictable, but usually pretty well thought out. The challenge is making it through his long streams of mindless drivel that seprate every plot point.

SnowOnSummer The difference between a web novel and a light novel is the work put into it. A lot of light novels were originally web novels that were polished and adapted a little, or maybe a lot for some, then put into paperback form. Web novels never go through that polishing procedure because it's generally okay if they're filled with nonsense and discrepancies. With that said, Syosetu hosts web novels, not light novels. But some of those web novels become light novels.

If you changed a CN WN to a JP LN, you might cut it in half. If you changed a JP LN to a CN WN, you'd just be changing the language, and maybe the release schedule. So I would gladly make that trade. Even the novels I do like, like True Martial World, I don't read for 6 months because the day to day chapters are at least 50% filler. You need like 50 chapters to get any kind of real content out of it.
The difference is the goal. CN WN encourage quick shotty work that is a dime a dozen. JP WN encourage creativity. Of course, with that said, there are creative CN WN, and there are shotty, dime a dozen, JP WN. But I've seen far more creative JP WN, and far more shotty, dime a dozen CN WN. Though, in fairness, I'm sure a large part of that could be due to the quick surge of popularity in CN WN versus the slowly built popularity of JP WN/LN.

lozlo well i can't agree more.. that is why i am thinking it will be close to impossible for me to get contracted here since i can't keep on writing filler lol... i am thinking why would someone want to read a story that describe roses are red and sky is blue XD and it affected my way of writing lol... but yeah, I wonder if i can be the difference maker here lol~

SnowOnSummer Well, there are a lot of options honestly. There are several other places you can go to, or even create your own if you feel you have, or can write, an exceptional novel. RoyalRoad has tons of web novels, and some of them have even been published on Amazon and Kindle, and a lot of them have set up Patreons. Also, as far as I know, they don't require you to do anything like daily/weekly/monthly chapters. So you can write at your own speed. Other places also host original novels without the daily requirement, like WuxiaWorld and Gravitytales, but I don't know their exact terms either.

Basically, if you only care about money and you're willing to write shotty/quick work, you're in the right place. If you want to write a well thought out and meaningful story... cough

TheOGDuanChen
Look, there is a moment when I myself am too lazy to read a well-constructed novel and I just want cliché and fucking!

Of course, it will not be stories that I go to read again or that I will remember for the rest of my life. For example, I love Colling Rings Dragon, my first full novel and I always love it, of course it has tiresome parts like 500 years of cultivation to understand space or 1000 years to build a planet ....

But the novel itself was not lazy, it was a well-crafted novel, and the world deserved to be better explored.

ISSHT >>>> I will not comment either. I love passion! For the rest of my life, I will remember this plot.

There are so many novels that I love, that the authors are not lazy!

Now being a writer is not a cinch, it takes 2 to 4 hours to enter one or two chapters, imagine the author who has 1000 chapters .... how many hours of imagining and creating, there is moment that the person just wants to throw in the towel and go do something else of life.

Anyway, I do not know the other readers, but I myself can not get to the end of a lazy romance, I can even read the lazy romance, but I will have mental "laziness" to continue to torture me with cannon bushes and MC that is praised every moment for releasing a fart better than the fart of the enemy.

I've written two novels because of reading lazy stories with repetitive cliche and an MC who chews a few times and the females in the story praised every fart of the hero who pretended to be humble!

There had not even been a chapter 100 before and the cliché was already unbearable!

Xoxo