Let me put a few points on this matter.

First thing first, third person omniscient... Is very hard to pull off. But why? Because there is no suspense. As the narrator knows everything, unless he hides something from the reader, the reader can't be surprised. And if omniscient narrator hides something from the reader, then what's the point of having this kind of narration in the first place?

I would say Third omni limited is what people can really pull off if they want to write a story rather than a recount of the events. Limited by the fact that the narrator can peer into a specific cast all at once, but everything outside of it is a blank card for him. That kind of narration could be used in the stories where the narrator is a character himself, just moving the pieces on the board.

Then goes third nonomniscent, or third nonomni as I like to call it.

Contrary to what people say, I find this absolute (outside of second-person narration that is simply... weird) toughest nut to crack. You can't even ONCE tell your reader more than your character is supposed to know, while remaining detached from said character. This type of narration seems to be easier, but in my honest opinion, is the hardest to properly pull out.

Then comes the first person. The illegitimate bastard of narrations, that most of the people love to hate, but rarely give it a chance. But not only it can be pulled off in a great way, but it also is something that I consider to be the best for new writers. Why?

Let me start from the end. Have you guys ever heard about Black Company Chronicles? This set of novels is what I (and many others) consider to be the same for dark fantasy genre what LoTR was for low fantasy. And all of its tomes are written entirely from the perspective of the person who is currently holding the pen for said chronicles. While at first, one might think that its hard to immerse yourself in it, but in fact, when you get used to its quirkiness at first, it flows way better than any other stories, because rather than having this unknown force telling you the story, you feel like you were sitting by the fire in the tavern, drinking on your ale and listening to the recounts of an old veteran.

Now, let's properly explain why I consider it to be the best choice for the new writers.

And as a disclaimer - YES, I DO REALISE that writing in the first person for the first time feels weird. But people are beings that love to speak about themselves and tell their own stories. That's why, for most of the writers, after writing 1, 2 maybe 4 chapters, all the initial problems with writing in the first person will disappear, showing all the profits one can make:

  1. Author's own immersion. The problem with other narratives is that you are forced to detach yourself from the story. Just the simple fact that you are referring to your Main Character per "he/she" forces your mind to consider them a separate entity. While the example I brought here is just a silly one, when all sorts of details like that come together, they start to matter.

  2. Reader's perspective. When reading a story in the third person, it will always be something that will feel foreign. While you identify yourself with the characters you read about, you still always feel like they are different. Just the fact that the narrator uses their names to refers to them is not natural. But in the first person, it's only me. The reader, the author, doesn't matter. When you read a story in the first person, you are looking at it directly through the eyes of the main character, not some ambiguous, undefined being.

  3. Limitations. When writing in the third person, you often face the problem so common yet so hard to overcome, that any kind of literal advice has 50/50 chance to end up speaking about it. Show not tell. I do not mean to say that in first person you can just tell everything, but when you write the story while immersing yourself in the character you are narrating through, it feels wrong to tell your listeners (to whom you narrate the story in the said tavern as they sip on the beer) that this guy thought something or that lass instantly fell love in you. As you watch the scene with your own eyes, you learn how to pick up on the hints.

"I(!!!!!) saw as the eyes of this woman traced every single of my movements. Thinking about this, what else could that mean if not a love at first sight? Or maybe she just gauged the weight of MY pouch from how it hangs from my belt?"

While there is quite a lot telling here, as those are your own legitimate thoughts, they are justified. Its the narrator that wonders IF what I observed, means what I think it means.

But what is even more important, if you tell the story from the perspective of the character himself, you will never feel like writing about something you don't know. Because:

  1. Everything that this narration shows, can be a lie.

You can be lied to. You can misinterpret something. To put it into an example:

"After gulping down the last sip of the ale from my cup, I raised from my chair and moved directly towards the female whose attention was focused on me for the last few minutes. Only when she suddenly looked at me with her lips turning into a thin line and her hand suddenly resting on top of her knife's handle, did I realise that her attention might not come purely from affection."

When you write first-person, there is no end to surprises. Readers never know what might come next, but they will be in for a ride, as that's just how life works. And with the conflicts and problems given to the author on the silver platter, all you really need to do is to find a way to make that ride exciting and fulfilling.

Sorry for my grammar, too lazy to go through this wall of text with grammarly

    Lilliny i totally agree with you here
    And i believe there was a term of second POV which is the condition where narration is interacting with readers
    I don’t like it, but it exists and some authors just love to use it and it’s not wrong

      shadowdrake27 i believe the issue here is related to the type of POV selected for the novel
      If the author selected one type, then he should stick with it
      This isn’t a god rule, ofc, but exceptions where it worked by combining more than one POV in one novel and do it successfully is rare, or i didn’t hear about many yet.
      The point is: choose one POV and stick to it to th end of the novel, any mix in POV is a mistake except you are a genius writer or something

        ranmaro You mean, narration styles. POV means point of view. In third person narration you can have multiple POV's without any problem.

        MotivatedSloth

        Awesome post! You make a lot of great points here. I could do another whole thread on “showing not telling.” Stories get really old when it is just a long list of things that happen, in my opinion. Even if it is just a long list of what characters are thinking, that’s boring.

        First person stories are great. I like any story that follows the perspective of one person because of the suspense. Leading readers and the MC astray creates a wonderful conflict that has to be resolved, leading to a more natural plot. This is what I’m attempting to do with my third person limited stories here: only tell the thoughts of the POV character to build suspense.

        I will say that I have seen second person work very well to this effect. Stories where the reader is the MC, so “you” are in the story. Authors do have to be careful they do not fall into the many holes that are available here, such as making weak unnamed characters that are forgettable, but second person has the same suspense as first person if done correctly. The best place I have seen this used is on “choose your own path” stories. That is to say, stories where the reader can make choices that affect the story. The ability to control parts of the plot lends itself well to second person. I haven’t tried to use it in any other context.

          ranmaro

          Agreed, switching back and forth rarely works. If I ever see it, I chalk it up as a mistake immediately.

          The perspective (and point of view) can dramatically change how the story is told and viewed. Picking the right perspective for your story is important, but sticking with what you pick is even more important for consistency.

          shadowdrake27 Don't remind me about the readers a controlled story, as its a long dream of mine to make one. Like, to have a huge plot happening in the story anyway, and the readers capable of either voting for the decisions that MC has to make, or sometimes being given a choice, where for example the most liked comment on the Facebook turns out to be what MC will do.

            MotivatedSloth

            There are free writing websites that make stories like these if you want a few. I would prefer to send them via PM if that is a thing here. Basically, you write “pages” and can link pages together with choices. That way, depending on the choice, the reader gets a different page and new set of choices.

            Edit: I learned how to write on one of these websites, and some are active while others are dead.

              shadowdrake27 Let me reiterate first to check if I understood correctly - You basically write several stories (several ways in which they develop) and readers simply follow it along with their choice?

              If yes, then sorry, but that's not something for me. I'm not going to spend ages writing one and the same story in different versions and endings. Thats something you can do in games, when you have entire set of scenario writers and options that lead you towards counted outcome. Just like in witcher3, every quest you did and the choices you made pointed you out towards one of the three outcomes, depending on the valued sum of your decisions.

              What I would like to write at some point in the future, is a novel when the readers vote for the only direction that the story will take. While obviously I would keep my freedom to set possible directions in which the story would go, the specific choices and the way in which the story would develop towards the aimed outcome would depend on the readers.

              But well, that's the song of the future. I'm too busy with my current projects to waste time on something purely for fun. After all, if you spend as much time writing as I do, doing even more of writing just for fun would feel like wasting your time, while not having fun at all.

                MotivatedSloth

                Yes, that is what the web site is. Stories are a massive undertaking compared to similar length linear stories. What you are talking about is often done on the forums of such websites. I understand that and hope you get to write your reader driven story some day!

                  LittleBlueLake
                  You are correct it is called third person omniscient, but there is also third person limited. With It being limited you can make the novel you are writings kind of messy and difficult to read. With this you do not know the thoughts of every character. I personally prefer first person because it is a lot easier to follow along in the story. I do believe that authors shouldn’t solely focus on one character’s view; that is why switching to one of the other characters and understanding the full picture comes into play. I also just enjoy reading everything. 😁

                    CrimsonLetter

                    First person seems to be a popular one. It is nice to be in the shoes of a character to connect to them better. If written correctly, I think third person limited and first person can accomplish the same things. Both can get inside of the mind of one character at a time to reveal more about them. Both can switch POV characters at something like the end of a chapter where there is a pause.

                    Maybe I will make a post about show vs tell... it seems to be relevant.

                      2 years later

                      shadowdrake27

                      Third-person omniscient is not a new thing among Asian writers, especially in the Wuxia genre. If you notice, Wuxia's novels in the '60s, '70s, and 80' all were written in third person omniscient. It's like that's the only POV they knew. When I think about it again, I remember that almost all books in Asia in the last century were written that way. At least in East Asia and Southeast Asia. All those books, either written in third person omniscient, or first person. It seems in the old times, people did not know third-person limited POV existed.

                        LinMusen

                        Huh… this is an old thread… It was an interesting one for me though.

                        This is a nice history factoid! I haven’t studying old Asian writing. Has this changed recently? As discussed earlier in the thread, third person omniscient POV is hard to pull off. First person is easier, in my opinion.

                          shadowdrake27

                          I think most people in my country didn't realize there is more than one type of third-person POV. When I was a student in the 80s, I only learned about third-person POV. I don't know about limited, omniscient, or objective. All third-person POV books were omniscient. Okay, maybe not all, but at least about ninety percent.

                          The narrator is the author, not one of the characters in the book. If the author wants to make a book that the narrator is a character in the story, then he or she will write the story in first-person POV.

                          As far as I remember, the ratio between third-person (omniscient) POV and first-person POV books is probably about 50:50. But I could be wrong, though. Because obviously, I didn't read that many.

                          Of course, it has changed now. I don't know when exactly the change happened, but it looks like after 2000.

                          Oh, but I'm talking about novels. When it comes to short stories, long ago, it seems that quite a lot of writers have written using limited third-person POV. Maybe because short stories are much simpler in structure than novels, so naturally the author only focuses on one character.

                            LinMusen

                            That all makes sense. I’m not sure how perspectives have changed in novels over time in general elsewhere, but I can see that all making sense.

                            The narrator is typically the author unless it’s first person perspective or a framed story as well. I think that’s almost always the case… It doesn’t have to be, but it’s relatively rare that people decide to write in third person with a narrator that is not them (unless it’s a framed story or story about someone “telling” a story).

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