LopingWolf

  • Joined Mar 18, 2021
  • Wolfick A ) Which bans in which countries?
    B ) Wtf does this have to do with LGBT+ people? You were speaking about animals, unless you consider LGBT+ people as animals? Specifically, you were talking about the context of human rights and pet animal rights, as well as them being treated as our equals, and whether "love" is a part of human rights.
    C ) Yes, if you "Love thy pet" it is illegal in most countries. If you are found to be loving thy pet in various areas of the middle east, especially for a repeat offence, you can be sentenced to beheading. Three strikes and your out, so to say.

    That question was just one I put because I was interested. Thanks for your swift answer.

    Treated as our equals is different from being our equals. Treated as our equals means that even though pet animals aren't truly our equals, we respect them as we would any human; being our equals is different, it means they are equal to us, which they aren't. And I say they should be considered our equals, also meaning we should think of them as equals (therefore treating them as equals) but not meaning they are our equals.

    • Wolfick

      Wolfick Nobody is saying pets shouldn’t be treated with proper respect. Nobody advocates for animal abuse, but you are saying they should be equal with humans and treated the same way humans are.

      I'm saying pet animals should be treated as our equals, not all animals. Also, treated as our equals is different from being our equals, which they aren't.

      Wolfick However, you only want to treat them in human standards in specific ways which favor your opinion.

      You mean treating pet animals with respect? Isn't that what we are taught to do from a young age? Treat other people with respect, at the very least?

      Wolfick Hold those standards up to your house cat which tortures and murders mice why don’t you.

      That is different. I'm saying treat pet animals with respect, but that doesn't mean protect every single one of them from harm because that is the way things work. But since humans made some animals into pet animals, we should treat them with respect. That's all I'm saying - treat them with respect.

      Wolfick Ngl, this sends me huge bestiality warnings from you. Please ensure you look up your countries specific laws on this as some countries it’s legal, others it can be a death penalty.

      Death penalty concerning "love"? Bestiality warnings from me? I meant loving someone, loving anyone of any gender and any race, just loving someone, especially in a romantic way. I meant to ask if everyone having the right to do that is part of human rights - but I suppose it isn't, not really, if some countries ban everything LGBT+ related ...? I haven't heard of people being banned from loving someone in a platonic way, but I have heard of bans on being LGBT+ in countries.

      • MotivatedSloth

        MotivatedSloth LopingWolf But yes, you're right. Our opinions differ, so let's just go and look at stuff we enjoy, right? I'm not sure why you even bothered posting here actually, as you clearly don't enjoy reading this.

        This is the part that bars others from entering the discussion, because with this the OP can claim that any post not to his liking is bad, hateful, and any other of the modern empty words crowd uses to go hunt for witches.

        I'm not barring others from the discussion, I'm telling them to go enjoy themselves because clearly, they're not enjoying reading this and disagree with my views but also don't have/can't be bothered to offer proper arguments explaining why pet animals shouldn't be treated with proper respect.

        MotivatedSloth LopingWolf Thanks for speaking up anyway, and I'm sorry if it appeared that way to you.

        And that's how a normal person react when they are misunderstood. My bad mate, I'm just oversensitive regarding this topic, hence my nitpicking.

        I meant that I'm sorry if it appeared to you as if I were barring people who disagree with my views from the discussion, which I'm not. Reasons are as I stated above.

        • Aiwwioddkdkxz Thank you for inputting your opinion on this. It has given me more to think about on this topic. You're right, this is a very open-ended topic, and of course, there would be lots of differing opinions, which is what makes this topic to interesting.

          Aiwwioddkdkxz Much of what the OP mentions are based on feelings, and seem to be along the lines of "I like animals, I hope others will like animals too".

          Well, that is not entirely correct. I think pet animals, especially the family kinds, should be treated with the most respect from humans because they have been through so much with us, because our histories are linked. That's all. But I realize why you would say that, of course.

          • MotivatedSloth I wasn't saying if you don't like the topic then don't speak about it. But some of the people who replied to my post weren't really talking about their differing opinions and making a strong argument for it, they were mostly calling me "naive" or calling animals names.

            And I'm not barring people from the discussion because they're not thinking alike, I'm telling them to go read something they'll actually enjoy because they're being rude.

            Thanks for speaking up anyway, and I'm sorry if it appeared that way to you.

            • TheDolphin I'm not saying your dog needs to "have a say in the house" because you don't understand dog language. All I'm saying is pet animals deserve respect. Your dog would probably thank you for a stable life and consistent schedule as well as true affection and he would probably return these simple gifts with his friendship and faithfulness.

              Stay safe and healthy during this dangerous time (of the COVID-19).

              • Justforfun Of course. Human morals are made up by humans. Human rights and laws are also made up by humans.
                Of course the concept of rights is against the survival of the fittest, the true laws of nature. But that's what the world is like now, with humans dominating with our creations that bring pollution.
                I don't really put my trust in human rights, morals, and laws, but as they are what most humans follow and believe in, I can't really do anything much about it (especially not now).

                Thanks for speaking up.

                • Uncle_Sheogorath But yes, you're right. Our opinions differ, so let's just go and look at stuff we enjoy, right? I'm not sure why you even bothered posting here actually, as you clearly don't enjoy reading this.

                  • Uncle_Sheogorath My views aren't naive. You can call it outlandish or crazy, but not naive; you can dislike and disagree with my views, but please show some respect.

                    I care very much about animals because they've helped me, that's all. We all have different lives, don't we? Different lives means different situations. Therefore, please do not be so judgmental, especially since I'm not discriminating anyone.

                    Also, please don't call me "pitiful," I'm the furthest thing from that. I'm just saying, calling me naive when you don't know anything about me (except that I care a lot about animals) - well, what proof have you got, besides the fact "I care very much about animals and think they should be respected"?

                    Also, this is the definition of naive on Cambridge Dictionary:
                    "Too willing to believe that someone is telling the truth, that people's intentions in general are good, or that life is simple and fair. People are often naive because they are young and/or have not had much experience of life."

                    I do not believe life is simple and fair, but humans teach their children to treat others with respect, don't they? So why shouldn't this same respect be extended to animals, especially the pet animals who have stood by us for so long? As for not having much experience in life - well, as I said, I lost my innocence when I was five, and this is not pitiful at all, so please don't call me pitiful.

                    • Uncle_Sheogorath Also, yes it is insulting if you say pet animals are equal to humans because my entire life, pet animals have treated me way better than most humans (actually, no human except for maybe one has treated me as well as pet animals have). But the thing is, I say "they should be considered our equals." Our equals, not "equal to us," there's a difference. Our equals means we respect them as we respect others and we treat them fairly, equally (and they do work); saying "they're equal to us" means, yes, "being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value" - of course not, pet animals are more than just "equal to humans."

                      • Uncle_Sheogorath Actually, I'm not naive at all. I lost my innocence when I was five, okay? You don't know me.

                        I consider animals and especially pet animals my equals because they've helped me through life, more than any human has. They were - and still are - my friends when everyone else wasn't and still isn't. They keep me alive. You might not have that kind of attachment or connection with animals, but that doesn't mean pet animals shouldn't be treated fairly by us. Pet animals are pet animals because we humans made them into pet animals and then we mistreat half of them.

                        Actually, I'm not going to bother explaining why I care so much about animals, especially pet animals, to you. I respect your opinion on this, though I would thank you to not call me naive; as I said, I lost my innocence when I was five. But I would like to bring up something that is very telling about the relationship between humans and pet animals: "A dog is a man's best friend." A man's best friend. A man's. That means pet animals (or more specifically, dogs) are humans' best friends. Then who are their best friends? Who have their backs? Remember, friendship is supposed to go both ways, but this seems to be a one-sided friendship - at least, it is, according to the saying.

                        Also, a word to you all: Don't like this, don't read this. Go enjoy yourself. Don't read what you obviously dislike.

                        • Wolfick They aren't leeches. We all eat, and since humans "own" some animals, we should make sure we don't overfeed them. Also, they do have jobs: family pet animals are a comforting presence to their families and humans or guard their homes faithfully; work pet animals are there so we get money; food pet animals also "work," in a way.

                          • Hi, I've recently come to notice the LGBT+ community. It's not that I didn't know about this or looked down on this or anything before, but recently, I've come to consider the LGBT+ community very important.

                            Topic:

                            The connection between human rights and the LGBT+ community rights. By "human rights," I mean what should be a human's right but might not be, I'm not sure.

                            Origin of Topic:

                            You see, LGBT+ people are also humans, and it should be every human's right to love anyone they love and will love. But it's not, apparently. I have heard about laws banning same-sex marriages, banning LGBT+ relationships, banning being LGBT+. That is like saying loving someone is a crime. Loving someone - loving! Everyone has a right to be loved and everyone has a right to love.

                            Guide:

                            It doesn't matter much what you put here, really, but the main point of this discussion is the why. Why can't LGBT+ people be themselves in some countries? Why are there laws banning being who you are in the first place? Why are straight relationships and marriages allowed while LGBT+ people can't even be themselves? Why are some people against LGBT+ people? What is the history behind this? Is there a way to change people's opinions? - after all, it is only natural to love.
                            Guide

                            Thanks for reading, and please, be respectful. Any corrections will be appreciated.

                            Also, take care and stay safe during this dangerous time of the COVID-19.

                            • Hello, everyone. I'm a bit bored right now, so I decided to see if anyone would be interested in ... this.

                              Topic:

                              The topic of this discussion is about human rights and pet animal rights, especially the ones about family pet animals.
                              You may talk about anything that concerns human rights and pet animals rights, but it is best if you compared them with each other.

                              Origin of topic:

                              You see, since pet animals, especially family pet animals, have been with humans for so long, I think they should be considered our equals, and therefore wondered whether human rights and pet animal rights show us as equals and what rights pet animals are given. I'm also interested if "love" is part of human rights and would be glad to bounce ideas off other people and hear from experts. I've also heard that human rights and pet animal rights (and all animal rights) differ in countries, so I would like to know about the rights of people and animals in each country and how people feel about these rights. And even if these "rights" don't make pet animals our equals, that's fine (even expected), but I want to know if you think they should be treated as our equals - not they are our equals, but treated as equals.

                              Guide:

                              I divide Earth animals into three large categories: pet animals, trained animals, and untamed animals. A kind of animal may be in all three categories, and an animal individual may also fit in all three categories.

                              Pet animals are the ones most closely connected to humans and humans' lives, and I divide pet animals into three categories: family, work, and producing. Family pet animals are the ones that are closest to us, the ones that we care the most about; they are like our friends and our families. Work pet animals are the ones seen in circuses, zoos, riding stables, and fields; we earn money because of them and they work for their living and our living. Producing pet animals are there to give and give for us; usually, no attachment between them and their humans is formed because they are often killed soon, and if not, then they produce eggs, milk, and fur; basically, humans take and take from them and give them food, water, and a place to live, but that is all: no real affection or love for them(usually).

                              Untamed animals are the ones who don't have connections with humans and usually keep away from humans. Untamed animals live in the wild, in oceans, in lakes, in forests, in swamps - everywhere on Earth. They may be tiny, or they may be enormous. Humans have no claim on them.

                              Trained animals is the category that is the bridge between pet animals and untamed animals: untamed animals become trained animals and then pet animals, or they might stay trained and befriend humans, but they aren't put into circuses and zoos, it depends. Untamed animals may also be nearly trained animals; they can be found in zoos. Another type of nearly trained animals are pet animals; for example, a dog who doesn't know basic commands but understands its name and loves its family can be considered a nearly trained animal; or, six fish who live in a tank might be calm around its family and other humans and wait eagerly for their meal, but don't know their names can also be considered "nearly trained."

                              And that's it; I take my hat off to you if you had the patience to read all that. Just remember: an individual animal may be an untamed animal, a trained animal, and a pet animal, all at once.
                              Guide

                              Lastly, if you read this through, thank you, you're super! I know this is a bit lengthy, but I had to explain. So, thanks a lot, I appreciate it! (Plus you really are amazing.)

                              Also, I am no expert, I'm just an almost-teen. So I would appreciate it if someone pointed out mistakes and corrected me if I made one. But I also have my own opinions, and I divide non-human animals into three categories, and now I have shared it with everyone who is here, I would appreciate it if people don't discriminate my view on this; you may come up with your own set of rules, your own categories, and have your own opinions, but please be respectful toward others.

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