Take_the_Moon thank you :) title is courtesy of the Rabbink itself @MasterRabbink
If you find the first chapters bad or confusing, hope you could share your feelings so I can learn and update...
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BabyTanuki thanks!! Will PM you!
Have to agree with this. System novels are harder to write as the author needs to also create a system. This is why some of the Pro-Authors on this site are "inspired" to use the Dungeons and Dragons systems, so they don't need to make a whole new system on their own.
Also, shameless plug of my own non-system novel, The Demon's Clockwork Heart . It's actually a complete short story.
LawCol
I personally regret adding a system in my 1st novel. The readers are very hard to please when a system is added. There's one crowd that hates OP systems, but likes small help systems. Another likes OP systems and hates small help systems. The third crowd just hates systems!
SnoozySloth well I on the other hand did pretty well with my first system novel. I don't know why but no one really cared about the system that much. My readers were debating if the mc was op or not.
lynerparel
May just have been because my MC was weak for like 12 chapters and the system was mostly useless lol.
I love the system, not surprising at all.
The system is like an old grandfather or a memory of past life useful! The difference is that we can evolve the system throughout history and make it important or not to each chapter, unlike the god's theme, the old Taoist grandpa (which is usually a spirit) or the memory of past life.
I write 6 story and at least 3 have system, the other is a divine item that has several Taoist grandpas, one is a story about the organization of Taoist grandpa and another is a young Taoist grandpa.
I like to write systems, they are really fun, you can create a system with poisonous language, a very protective system or a system that evolves into something cute.
Dude, I can not write a simple story with just a cultivation system!
I even find it absurd when the MC leaves the family and goes out for cultivation for 500 years!
If I were the romantic pair of a cultivator or best friend of a cultivator:
Me: 500 years? My Good friend until one day!
#partiu adventure in another world!
Cultivator: Are not you going to wait for me?
Me: Are you crazy? 500 years? I have more things to do!
Cultivator: But this is normal!
Me: Normal my ass! If a friend of mine stops talking to me for a year, I renegotiate the intimate friendship, for a normal friendship!
Cultivator: This is unfair, after all I have to concentrate to find out the meaning of this cultivation technique!
Me: 500 years? Dude, give up being an immortal cultivator, you are a very insane dump! Goku did not even take 50 years to conquer the gods of the universe, you take 500 years to understand a technique ?! Fuck you, do not look for me anymore, I'll already be dominating another planet! (ù.ú)
Take_the_Moon Wait...does that mean you are also a cultivator or perhaps an immortal? After all, they are asking you to wait 500 years, therefore they either have a necrophilia fetish or know something I don't.
My problem with writing a system is that I write with MMORPGs in mind. So the systems have to actually work if transferred into a game. That means all my systems actually have an Excel sheet to back them up, calculating all values: Attack Damage, Attack Penetration, Potential Critical, Armor Protection, Innate Resistances, Health Regeneration, Ability Cool-downs, Weapon Grades etc. etc. That's why I've decided my next system novel is going to be hand waved rules.
Note that most MMORPG novels including popular ones, actually have systems which fail as MMORPGs. For example, Advent of the Archmage and Night Ranger (both of which I enjoy), plus Sword Art Online, have MMORPG concepts like getting over powered unique abilities for players who are the first to complete a Raid or Instance. That doesn't work in real MMORPGs due to game balancing between players. Instead first completion rewards would be Hall of Fame bragging rights and maybe rare items, cosmetic additions or tokens which are available to paying players. A company that created over powered unique skills for a single player would simply be shooting themselves in the foot. Especially if they have competitive PvP.
Perhaps the best MMORPG system I've seen is Log Horizon. The abilities actually run like they would work in an MMORPG. When new potentially game breaking abilities do appear, they are explained as going beyond the original MMORPG system. Hmm... that gives me an idea. :)
[unknown] When new potentially game breaking abilities do appear,
Nerf them. A good reason to make MC less powerful. That is a cheat actually for MMORPG to put the MC on low tides. Yes next chapter MC will get another game breaking cheat again.
LawCol I think how not to summon a demon lord did a good job of this as well, the light novel version not the anime version.
Rorsharch Forgive my ignorance for I am new here. What is a "system based" novel?
Barbarossa here's an example of a system novel: https://m.webnovel.com/book/7817013305001305
The main character has an RPG system to support his adventures to become the strongest etc.
Here's an example of a non system novel (though it involves fighting against a system user later): https://m.webnovel.com/book/11594239806435805
lynerparel I've never read the light novel. Maybe I should have a read.
LawCol yah you should. :)
Barbarossa Try to read The Strongest System (the link which lerrech gave you), Ultimate Scheming System, or History Number 1 Founder.
Rextraos
I'm Goku! Hahahahaha!
Clearly, I'm a fucking god!
My point is: It's absurd the guy to stay 500 years! It has a part of Colling Ring Dragon, which I am shocked, the guy spends 500 years to enter the concept of gravity ... Dude, I spend one day to understand the concept of gravity .... the guy for 500 years of eyes closed thinking about it .... and he is considered a genius! I know the comparison is ridiculous because it was at least over 1000 years for scientists to discover and summarize the concept of gravity, okay that concept was made before Christ and all. Not to mention that our reality thinkers are much cooler than these MCs, after all, it was with an apple that the concept of gravity was discovered ... like the guy took a nap and an apple fell on his head and he woke up already thinking about the concept of gravity .... The MC took 500 years to discover the concept of gravity .....
OBS: I love Colling Rings Dragon, I just do not understand this time spent meaninglessly!
There is the time that you lose track of time when you read these stories that spend 500 years in a single thought.
I've read stories that MC adopts a child and stays with it for a year, then spends more than ten years traveling to cultivation, returns home and the child still recognizes him as a parent ... Type MC did nothing like father, he just said that I adopted the child and saw her 4 times that year .... I can not understand this martial cultivation business!
Systems are the best!
Example:
Me: I can not understand the concept of gravity! What do I do?
Martial Hero: Think for 500 years and you can do it!
System: Host wants to learn the concept of gravity? I have 3000 books that talk about the concept of gravity, 1500 lower level, 1000 mid-level and 500 higher level, which host would you like to read?
Me: I love you system!
Martial Hero: tears
Xoxo
Take_the_Moon
To be fair. Linley didn't have someone to teach him the theory of gravity. Also, he had to understand it on a deep level. Sure, we all understand the basic idea of it. But do you know the formula for how much force is applied by gravity based on an objects mass? Now picture learning that by just having gravity pushed intensely against you for 500 years. Your only method to learn the theory and formula of gravity comes from feeling it with your own body. I don't think I could do it lol.
SnoozySloth
Friend, is this serious? So how did anyone who discovered gravity think everything through an apple that fell on his head during a nap?
Not to mention, to understand gravity for your body for 500 years .... I think there is a reason why humans are not immortal, I believe that soul is immortal but not the body. Humans are not immortal not to waste time in long reflections, as our mortal lives are short we have to take as much time as possible to discover the world around us.
As I said I love Colling Ring Dragons, I really love it, my first novel I read that was completed, although my love will ever be Tales of Demon and Gods. But I still do not understand the loss of time on this, alias I think 500 years everyone would rather understand gravity my friend, if it was 50 years or 100 years, I'd even be quiet about it.
Anyway, for me, the romance with the system is the best, that of cultivation, has to have reincarnation or some knowledge of something, not to spend 500 years reflecting on a technique.
Xoxo
Take_the_Moon
I'll respectfully disagree =p. Gravity wasn't truly understand until 1687 by Newton (Basically the biggest genius to ever live in human history in my opinion =p). I think you're significantly oversimplifying what is in reality a very difficult concept. Gravity is not just more mass means more pressure. It's a law that explains the movement of the stars and planets. How all objects attract each other. And even Newton had some predecessors shoulders to stand on such as Galileo.
Linley had to discover gravity completely on his own. No help. No predecessors to explain the work for him. I'd imagine the existence of planes instead of planets would further complicate the issue. Plus other laws interfere with our understanding of gravity. Such as why everything just doesn't come together if everything is attracted to each other?
I consider myself more knowledgeable than most people (my own bias) but I can't claim to truly understand the law of gravity. All I know is that objects attract each other the heavier they are. I don't know any of the fine details.
Even today the scientific community doesn't truly fully understood gravity. There are aspects of space-time that complicate it. It's also a big mystery in quantum mechanics (Which I honestly understand almost nothing about! I'm IT, not science! Lol) https://www.space.com/32147-why-is-gravity-so-hard-to-understand.html
So, I can understand not liking large time jumps like that, though I personally enjoy them. But I think it's very reasonable for a genius to take 500 years to understand the complete law of gravity. Especially given the circumstances he did so in.