this thread needs to stay alive as there are more and more novels with cringy systems popping up... why the everloving Christ do people think that making the system banter with the mc makes their story interesting,, was only interesting the first time round, now its just unoriginal and cringe worthy with how people keep trying to one up the past systems by making their systems have wacky personalities which arent even as original or interesting as they perceive it to be......

    i hate it when systems are self aware, like talking and answering every little question mc asks, pointing out everything that happens and above all knowing stuff and giving mc information that he doesn't know. plain and simple with stats skills stores and simple descriptions of skills and stats and other "tabs" is the best imo.

      We need a system system system.
      MC talks to system.
      System talks to its system.
      That system talks to its system.
      In fact, let's just remove the MC. We can write a novel about the secret society of systems and their meetups where they trash talk their owners. Perhaps have a nice system dinner ball with a lot of dancing. Few universe overloads that made them attend. Serve some nice crumpets and tea. It'll be a grand old time!

      InfernalRhage
      Personally I like system novels, but I also hate novels that are unrealistic. It seems like those two things cant exist in most novels. However, I think the novels that are able to make it work are fantastic. Of course, novels with MC's having access to everything in a store are unrealistic to me even if they are inside a game. If you'd like I would love to have your opinion on the system in my novel, The Archaic System.

          InfernalRhage
          Personally I like system novels, but I also hate novels that are unrealistic. It seems like those two things cant exist in most novels. However, I think the novels that are able to make it work are fantastic. Of course, novels with MC's having access to everything in a store are unrealistic to me even if they are inside a game. If you'd like I would love to have your opinion on the system in my novel, The Archaic System.

              It is extremely rare for 'system' novels to have any actual decent plot elements. Most of the ones I have read are absolutely horrible and the author uses the 'system' as an excuse whenever he wants to introduce something or remove it.
              Systems act like crutches for any novel and make it MUCH easier for authors to be more thoughtless with their plots. Need a new ability? Magic fuckin system is here to magically give it to you without you having to make it logical or give any reasoning.
              System this, system that, although I used to love them but now they have become an outlet for unimaginative people to get in on VN bandwagon without putting any actual work in.
              80% of the time systems suck total ass and make no sense. I have no respect for most of these new "System" novels. Rarely will there be one which is grounded in reality and the author doesn't use the system as an excuse for every little thing.
              Its the absolute thickest of plot armors and literally ruined novels for me. I haven't read any in months because every time I log on all I see is system of this and that which just makes me sad.
              There are some really good ones as well but they are extremely rare.
              Its just a shame to see that you can make a "system" novel reach the top 100 without putting in any actual thought into your novel whereas others who think theirs through are left at 300+.

                shinigami8671
                I'd really love to get your opinion on my novel, The Archaic System. I totally understand what you are saying about systems. However, based on what you said I think you will like my novel.

                    Muigetsu Your plot actually sounds really interesting. Added to library and will give it a read when I can!

                        there are good and bad ones I guess... The best System novel i ever read was a fanfic actually. Even though I hate fanfics XD. It was a crossover of RWBY and the gamer and that guy really knew how to implement plot in his story! He even let family members of the MC die for plot's sake!
                        I think many people use systems because they feel it is easier to write technically. They can write in stiff language. Many sentences they can copy paste for later chapters... "System notifications!" Easier to get higher wordcount... That might be one of the reasons why many systems can communicate.
                        The fact is that it is not easier at all. To balance a system is the hardest thing there is... The biggest rule should be to never use stats at all.
                        When you start using strength = 1 Mc can lift a small rock and strength = 100 Mc can lift a mountain than there will be at least one guy who starts doing the math... telling you a rock weights 5 kilograms and a mountain doesn't weigh only 500 XD
                        or mc can stop a car using 10 points in strength and a bus with 50 points in strength then you will have someone looking up the actual weight of both and tell you it is impossible XD
                        For real... I read the gamer and I saw in a forum someone doing the math how hard and fast a bullet flies shot by some special gun and telling everyone that he cant withstand that because he couldn't withstand the other thing a few chapters earlier... This might be the reason why the gamer stopped showing us how he gained stronger powers or how he levels them up. The author stopped telling the readers the ability levels...
                        What I mean is never use hard numbers for them, they are your doom!!!!

                          SuperSilentSin
                          That's a good point and I do use hard numbers for mine. That's why I think it's important to incorporate world building and realisticness at every level of your writing. I often ask people to review my novel and critique any plot holes they see. I have gone back and fixed many things my readers noticed. One of my readers mentioned my MC couldn't have swam as far as I described without Olympic level abilities, so I went back and changed the distance. If I made the mistake you described I'd go back and change every stat I wrote to fit the math. However, authors not willing to change their novel or do the work necessary to change it should not use a system as you said. I'd love it if you looked through mine, The Archaic System, and commented on anything you notice.

                              SuperSilentSin if ya talkin about "the games we play" by Ryuugi... then yeah that was one of the first gamer fic i read....
                              after that i just get pissed because of how many authors butcher the gamer... it makes my blood boil how shameless to tag the title "the gamer" crossover when they dont even get the damn system right

                              gaining stat points via training for a few minutes, gaining skill by just thinking about it and what not.. and most of all those freaking perks.... like sure most games have perks... but the original series sure didnt have them at the beginning... and then elements from a CYOA came in like there was no tomorrow

                              ... but yeah down with the system... just kiddin, i love litrpg's, vrmmorpg's and novels with systems
                              but i sure damn hate novels that doesnt have a coherent system, its the one elements that should have a fixed----well system..

                                  I'm kinda nervous about promoting my VrMMO novel here. Should I?

                                    SuperSilentSin nah... hes a denizen of spacebattles forum... his thread is like super large and have a lot of following there that gives good feedback, while he also posts on fanfic the updates aint as fast as the forum and also i think his story is mostly complete, well till i saw another continuation thread ....

                                    ImBloo go ahead man, as long as its a good story promote all ya want, even if i hate a novel i still try to write a nonbiased review--- or i try to

                                          lol everyone here says they write a review but why don't I have a single one then ??? People promised it often but never did T.T Links My story called "A Universe's Tidalwave"

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