For me, it would be the time skip or permanent memory loss. I hate it when stories use time skips and everything changes. The worst kind of time skip is what I like to call "rip van winkleing" Where the MC goes to sleep or is in a coma for a long time. I just tried reading "The world turned into a game after I woke up " and when the MC was rip van winkled I dropped it right there. A good example of memory loss would be "Chronicles of a Dungeon Core" the MC gets mind wiped 3/4 the way through and never gets his memories back as far as I can tell.

    Mainly things like: the girl is depicted as being average, and yet the drawing or text indicates she's actually kind of cute. She just doesn't dress well.

    Or the most useless of royal princesses: one that is primarily reactive to her environment, without being proactive about anything. If you gave her a sword, she's completely useless with it. She can't even broom her own floor.

    If I had to pick a trope I'm more willing to look past, it's the former.

      CakeSpoon

      I hate when literally no one dies in a novel. If a nuclear bomb dropped off on a city, everyone would survive with nary a problem. Maybe a cough or two, but basically no one died.

      I dislike harems, in fact, I hate romance in general, UNLESS, one of the partner dies, or something tragic happens to obliterate any sense of happiness if they do achieve their romance. This part was mainly influenced from all the paperback or hardcover books I've read. Literally all of the romance ends sadly.

          "I love you and you just made me really jealous so I'll rape you."

          "Oh, you did it because you love me. I will forgive you, and I love you too."

          But apparently this is very popular among Webnovel readers.

            Puncake That too as well, I prefer romance where the couple does die, or at least in some way is irrevocably changed.

              Incredibly stupid, naive, or oblivious MC's really irritate me, or when an MC has a beyond ridiculous weakness. Also harems are way overused nowadays so I'm not a fan of them.

                An additional thing is less one that explicitly "bugs" me, but often think should be expanded more. Maybe given more nuance to it.

                Just finished a Manga the other day, relatively famous on Cyberpunk circles, where it seemed like there was nothing really redeeming about the mad scientist character. And the plot could have gone in a direction, I think would honestly make more sense, that would mean almost completely rewriting the second have of the second series.

                I'm one of those that likes to take the worst possible scenario, make that be where the plot goes, and have the main character overcome that.

                But in this one, that plot potential was entirely skipped.

                  I like magical realism genre where the MC live in this time and world, and he got something like 'cheat', and slowly becoming richer.
                  I hate GAME GENRE novels

                    I dont like harem and romance. I'm more on the adventure/mission where I can clearly see character development.

                      CakeSpoon the whole jp light novel idea. Its just awful. Its the epitome of lazy writing and author wish fulfillment.

                          Tropes don't bug me, its how things are written here that irritate me. 90% of the novels here are full of verbal diarrhea that can barely constitute as literature.

                          Romance here is not "Romance" as most of the world knows it by. Romance here is a ML having a power trip the moment he sees the FL, then proceeds to emotionally or physically abuse/dominate her to the point that it becomes cringeworthy. Worse yet, they're written in a way that still expects us to sympathize for the FL.

                          Wuxia, or martial arts stories all follow the same formula, MC is a trash, discovers an ability that will eventually make him unparalleled in the universe, but first you have to go through 3000 chapters of "Brat! You dare!?" "Your father, I!" and "DIE!!!!!!!" before it happens.

                          "System" MMO stories typically follow the same formula as well. The MC has gone back into the past with knowledge of the future, then proceeds to use this to his advantage, and yet somehow the rest of the guilds/companies manage to keep up with someone who literally knows the future, and continues to cause problems for the MC (Even though he still eventually trounces them seemingly effortlessly, despite how 'close' or 'dangerous' it may have been.) On the other hand, you also have the MCs that are supposed to be godlike in the game playing like total idiots/noobs, or cringeworthy virgins who attain harems full of tit-jiggling women, yet dont react to it or know what to do with it.

                          I could go on, but needless to say, tropes are not the issue, it is the literary standard of LNs that is the issue.

                            yaoyueyi Not exactly. In wuxia novels, a trash MC discovering an ability/power that can even the odds and change his fate is certainly a trope, however the constant "Brat! You dare!?" "Your father, I!" nonsense is not. The tropes themselves are not terrible, it is how they are utilized that is terrible.

                            In regards to romance, its not an issue of tropes, but an entire genre being misconstrued. There really isnt anything romantic about an abusive ML. In some of these romance novels, the ML may as well just beat the love and affection into the FL.

                            Likewise in regards to "System" mmo stories, the MC going back into the past is certainly a trope, however the progression of the story and how everyone is able to keep up and continue to give the MC issues is not a trope, it is poor writing.

                            Novels are not simply a series of Tropes fit together like puzzle pieces, they are tropes accentuated by writing, storytelling, character and world building. Even the most overused tropes can lead to wonderful stories if utilized properly. In many cases on this website, they are not.

                                Peaches "Trope is also used in a more general sense to describe a convention that you can easily recognize and understand because you've seen it so often" (source here.)

                                "Brat! You dare?" is a stock phrase.
                                "Stock Phrases are a line of dialogue which get repeated very often in different fictional works, but always carrying the same meaning each and every time they're used" (source here.) Therefore, it is a trope.

                                Abusive ML = a character trope. It's just like damsel in distress or comic relief character. Yes, it's far worse of a character type than either of the two, but in the end, it's still a trope. You can recognize & label him immediately in a story (probably bc in the first chapter, he rapes the FL). You could also say that the love the FL feels for him despite the abuse is something along the line of the trope of good girl likes bad boy even though he's bad.

                                System novels practically all use the "Recurring Plot Trope" with the fact that people keep coming back to cause conflict for the MC due to the fact that there is always 1 person stronger than MC but he beats them anyways over and over again.

                                Can these tropes be used well? Yes. Of course.
                                Are they used well on this site? No. Of course not.

                                I feel like you're trying to say that you don't like the way these tropes are used because the writing on this site is poor? But what I'm trying to say is that despite the fact that you dislike the way that these tropes are presented, it's very hard to find a way that "brat, die" can be used in a good way twenty times, so you would have to say that it's a poor trope because of how it is typically used, and therefore, it would be the trope that you dislike, since it's perfectly okay to dislike both the writing and the trope used...?
                                this is getting confusing tbh

                                    ace_cap I couldn’t think of what I disliked most until I saw your post. With the second one of easily forgiving, I hate it when it’s the FL that does that; it makes her sooo weak and me so mad. It’s neither realistic nor showing of anything real to her character.

                                    If I had to add something else, it would be the ML (I would say FL too, but I’ve never seen this yet) being purposefully insensitive or cold toward the FL even while knowing she likes him and he technically likes her but won’t admit it. Don’t be mean and tease the one you like continuously, that doesn’t make sense and realistically unless said girl is weak (which she usually is in these types of stories), she’d leave you on the dime to find someone that treats her right.

                                    Of course, abusive relationships happen in real life, but they’re not healthy, and I don’t want to read one unless it breaks up or resolves (which can’t really happen because people don’t do 180 swaps in personality, if they did that’s a Jeykell and Hyde—the worst kind of manipulative relationships).

                                        yaoyueyi It is confusing yes. How I gather what I thought Peaches meant is that tropes are reused when they should be a different take on the trope. For example, I like the other world and reincarnation tropes, and I’m using them in my current novel, but I’m doing it in a different way.

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