immortal_corrupt Generally most solo TLs will have a lower release as compared to bigger groups like WW, Volare, Gravity

And these bigger ones have novels with 4 chapter too. And the reason why they novels with higher release rate (7+ per week) is because of patreon. Money will always rule the motivation.

immortal_corrupt You are trying to cover up the fact that.

Yeah let us play interpretation game. Which one is it? Either say it or don't even mention it indirectly.
My guess: If you mean that PFF is a limited time event and not forever, I learned that later on and then suggested a sub system ( on a different thread) similiar to patreon with difference that unlike patreon, Qidian wont take 29 cent + 2,9% per pledge and that the gap shouldn't increase. If you know think "hey I didn't mean that", not my fault, it was a guessing game. (づ◔ ͜ʖ◔)づ

immortal_corrupt i remembered only WW

Only Deathblade and CK (shared a bigger percent) atleast the only ones who said something. Well they now have contracts with 17k or zongheng (forgot which one it was), pretty sure the authors now earn a fair share of the money (atleast I hope).

immortal_corrupt not so blatantly shoving the SS wall into our face

Agree 100% with your opinion since I know that almost all novels will become premium + that PFF is just a long-term event. Lemme just quote myself. I would be interested if you like that idea or not (well it's just a dream)

Ebu8b Actually I don't like the current system very much, but I am doing fine. I am waiting for other novels or I just watch the ads and only use my SS for RTW.

But I would prefer a sub system with 2,99€ and 4.99€ subs.
4,99€ all novel for free + no ads. 2,99€ you choose 10 premium (if we ever reach that number or higher) + no ads.

Before anyone ask why 2 options. We have novel addictics and casuals here. 4,99€ for everyone would be unfair for casuals.

Second quote is from a different thread, where I explained how others regulate that stuff (you can ignore it, if you want)

Ebu8b Wattpad, Kindle Unlimited, Scribp, Playster, 24Symbols, Overdrive (I think they went the total free way with only ads now, if I am not wrong), Amazon Lending Libary (similar to audible);
Sub systems and authors get paid per chapter/book (one time fixed + ads) or clicks + ads.

              I just wanted to come cry about how I cant keep up to date with freebies! Bad QI you bunch of devils! How dare you allow people to still read for free and let those who want to pay a bit more read further. Such a horrible group I mean it's most definitely not like Patreon has been doing the same thing for years! /sarcasm

                Gamblejay still read for free

                Not forever and soon more Novels will join premium. Beside that these people don't cry, they want the system to be changed to something more fair and transparent. Most people who are negative towards premium, suggested a sub system.
                Many readers aren't even from first world countries, so these 1$ charges for 50 spirit stones (the bonuses will be gone soon), can be life affecting for them. Localizing the prizes isn't an option to, people can use vpns, while buying and reading. So instead of making fun of them, how about talking with them?

                    Ebu8b Why don't I discuss with them? Because they are freaking out about not being able to read at the same pace as someone paying.

                    Have you ever got tired of a story and just let it sit for a week or two then decided, hey I want to give this another shot. Did you notice how for the next 10+ chapters until you catch up there were no ads or options to pay SS? That's because those aren't what will now be called premium chapters. So yes I will make fun of all the Toms and Sallys who come in here and cry about having to wait a bit.

                    Everyone's situation is different, life isn't fair but excuse me if I don't join in on the crying circle jerk of people who can't lag behind a day or two to read a story.

                        Gamblejay It is not a day or two as you say. In imortal Mortal, when the premium chapters end, us free readers will have to wait 2 more years to be able to read the story. How is that even fair? It's not a day or two so don't come here insulting people and speaking about things you don't know

                            Lomacris That is ofc considering the system will stay the same. Who knows what will happen in years right? They may just make it so the last 100 chapters aren't accessible without paying for example. If they see the profit in it, why the hell not right? We don't know how their policies will change in years...

                                N0xiety Yes considering the current system will stay which I doubt . They will most likely increase the SS you have to pay per chapter. That as well as the fact that the bonus SS you get through purchase will likely cease to exist, will make the cost of reading in the website stupidly high. They could just up the number of premium chapters as well and make it so that users who buy premium end the story faster. The "event" they put out it's called 'Premium for free' so who's to say they won't just end the event and make it so that all premium chapters are not unlockable without paying

                                    Gamblejay Can't you do simple math before you berate someone?

                                    496 chapters left in Immortal Mortal.

                                    24ch/week release rate. 496 / 24 = 20.6 weeks

                                    Free chapters are 7/week, there are currently 34 premium chapters. So (496 + 34) / 7 = 75.7 weeks which comes down to 19 months.

                                    Conclusion = Premium takes about 5 months to finish while free takes 1.6 years. You really think more than a year difference is 'just a bit of time'?

                                        Gamblejay
                                        How am I delusional??

                                        There are 530 premium chapters left for Immortal Mortal

                                        Let's assume the cost is 7 SS for every chapter (which is wrong and will most likely increase)

                                        So 530×7=3710 SS just to finish Imortal Mortal
                                        If they take away the bonus SS (They will do eventually) you will need to spend 80$ in 5 months just to read 1 novel. That's 16$ a month if you just follow 1 novel.
                                        If you follow more novels with a higher word count or a higher number of premium chapters this number will most likely increase exponentially depending on the number of novels you read.
                                        Imagine following MMORPG, the cost for every chapter of that novel is massive and there are a lot of chapters left to translate, so the cost for that full novel would be like 2 or 3 times higher...

                                        This system is very 'addictive' and is just forcing for you to pay for it all if you start.

                                        Considering you stop halfway because you want to take a break as you said, "Have you ever got tired of a story and just let it sit for a week or two then decided, hey I want to give this another shot" . 530/2=265 days. 265=7/8 months, so for you to get another free chapter and give that novel another shot you would have to wait 7 months. If you ever start to read a premium novel you have to be ready to spend 80$+ to finish that novel or it would be pointless...
                                        I am not delusional I am just doing maths

                                            GodBrandy True..I don't spend any money but still can enjoy premium chapter (about 33 free SS is given per day)

                                                They are working...so why not get paid?

                                                  I do not know why they even made such a premium system. Other translators have paid chapters too, but it is paid in a pott, once the pott reached a certain amount another chapter will be made available too ALL. So the community pays so that everyone can read. That is far better than everyone has to pay alot for themself, so that they themself can read.
                                                  let us calculate. RTW premium chapter costs 7 stones, you get 50 stones for 1 € (we disregard the bonus for now), that would make 1 chapter at around 14 cent. lets say RTW has around 1 300 readers (i took the amount that rated, so forgive me if it is wrong). lets say 1000 pays for the "premium" chapters that would make 1 chapter get as much as 140 euro!
                                                  Lets look at the other system: around 15-20 € for 1 premium chapter everyone can read (yes there are some out there who try to charge more, but not successful)

                                                  i would say it is a big difference

                                                    Lomacris You're doing shit cherry picking math first of all.

                                                    N0xiety This applies to you as well, wanna tell me to do math but forget to add all those free SS you get each day. How convenient for your argument...

                                                    Let's say it is 3710 SS to finish it, hell I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and raise it to 4k. You're missing the free SS given each day in your equation. Your conclusion was that it would take 5 months or $80 worth to finish the novel with me bumping it to 4k which would still cost $80, without any bonuses.

                                                    Now lets assume we're getting all 30 days in those 5 months. 30x5 = 150 days. At a minimum, you should be getting around 20 SS each day but ill drop it to 15 for the sake of the argument since you went low with the amount per chapter. 150x15 = 2,250

                                                    Lets take 2,250 from 4,000 and we get... 1,750 or $33 worth of SS to finish in the exact same time as someone who flat out buys their SS. But let's say you didn't buy that $33 worth? At 15 SS a day it would take you an extra, 116 days or 4 months to finish the book.

                                                    Now, let's take this even further.

                                                    Quoted:
                                                    What is the Premium Program BETA?
                                                    The development of any business model requires constant improvements over time. It is not solely dictated by Webnovel, and it requires all of us to explore and develop the business together. Therefore, we will continue running the Premium Program in a BETA stage. There will be constant optimization to ensure that we do not deviate from the right path—to ensure that all parties receive what they deserve. We also invite all of you to help us in building a better future.

                                                    Instead of flipping out and waving the torches, READ. It's a Beta, which means testing, which means shits gonna be adjusted.

                                                    Quoted:
                                                    You can still get Spirit Stones, which can be used to access premium chapters, by daily check-ins, voting, inviting friends, participating in community events, and even watching video ads on a daily basis (this will be implemented soon).

                                                    So on top of getting 2,250 SS in those 5 months it also sounds like they are working on adding MORE ways for people to not pay a dime.

                                                    So you tell me, whose being more ridiculous here and needs to chill out with the Qidian are Devils! My Crack is being taken away! And general mob mentality?

                                                          Gamblejay You could only barely be able to follow a single novel with daily ss. Anyways i don't think they will be able to keep the free ss model tho. Think about it, there is practically no way to stop people from creating multiple accounts and dedicating each account to a single novel to unlock with ss. What can they do? Ip check every person? IP can be changed in a moment. Cookies? It can be made so that the webnovel.com can't store anything on your cashe. So? How would they stop such a thing? There is no way. If enough ammount of people exploit this, they will be forced to remove daily ss altogether. Oh they have one alternative, that is to make earning ss alot harder than just clicking a few buttons every day. Tho even then a simple script would solve the problem...

                                                              I wonder when the ratings will be updated. I'm seeing a lot of 1-2 start reviews either boycotting or dropping the story altogether. I doubt very highly immortal mortal is going to keep its 4.4 rating.

                                                              I've only taken a very brief glance on this topic so I'm not going throw myself in the mud that Lullaby started, but this could potentially turn out to be a very big mistake depending on it's outcome. You can justify a change with well thought out and understandable reasons, but if you bleed away a big chunk of your readers the move is ultimately a failure. It's doubly so if it gives the story a bad reputation.

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