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Tahes Sigh...apparently I have to waste time on a troll like you.

1) the issue is that Exinaus claimed there were no tasks to earn free passes, even though I literally gave examples of how you can earn free passes. That was what I debunked. If you have no idea what I was debunking, then you might probably want to clarify instead of jumping in, quoting me out of context and attacking me for no reason.

2) Uh, no? I don't see any purchase option for fast pass. I see no system or option to trade coins for fast pass. Please show me how to do that, and maybe tell me how many coins one fast pass costs. Or how much in USD.

3) I don't know, and I don't care. I never commented on whether the system will be good or bad. I only explained to people how to use the new system, what the differences are, and how you can best maximize the use of fast pass. For now it seems more worthwhile to use fast pass for chapters that cost more spirit stones than those that cost less. I was pointing out the obvious.

Use my brain? Unless you show evidence that fast pass can be purchased by coins, tell us how to buy fast pass, and how much they cost in USD/coins, you are just making things up. What you think will happen doesn't necessarily happen. If it happens, then it happens. But as of right now, it's not happening. I don't care, I'm not going to speculate. My only intention is to explain to people how the current system works, and how they can get the best use out of it right now. I'm not going to make stuff up and speculate just because I'm some jaded, cynical dude who somehow continues to lurk on the forums of a company that he supposedly hates.

Tomoyuki

Tomoyuki I honestly don't get the fuss of "temporary" or "they expire!" They are free. Use them before the expiry date then, what's so difficult about that? If I get coupons for Burger King or McDonald's, I'm going to use them before the expiry date. What exactly are you guys trying to do by hoarding them? I really am confused

Well then it would not be a big deal to make the spirit stone last longer or the fast pass last a month no? after all what does it matter?

Well obviosly it matters if Quidian is so intent of making them last shorter and shorter each time they can, it makes you incapable of tryng to read the novel that you like whitout payng if they do a mass realease ect...
and Quidian does not like that, it would actualy like more if you had a litle stockpiled like 10 fast passes and your novel just mass realeased, you use your fast passes but they are not enough so what do you do?

Two choices, u either buy or you wait for your 3 fast passes and 5 coins the next day and then another day and another till you manage to see all of them.

So that fact that they expire matters a great deal because it gives some power to the free users on this site and as we know it Quidian kinda dislikes that, this is why they shrink the time they expire, it creates more demand.

Tomoyuki

Tomoyuki That's a much better analogy than yours about breathing. You don't need spirit stones to live. You don't need to read on this site. You have other sources of entertainment. Nobody is pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to buy coins or spirit stones. You will not die just because you can't read your favorite novel on the site. The worst that happens is that you move on and drop it. Breathing? People die if they don't breathe,

Exactly, it is analogy not literally and nobody said anything about not being able to read the favorite story, if it is any good then u can find it anyway on the internet.

Tomoyuki And...gives some power to the free users to this site. Why do you think you are entitled to have power on a site that you don't spend money on? No, seriously?

Believe me, when I say Quidian is getting money from the "free" users, notice the quote marks?
They had added adds which you could watch to see chapters, they get money from clicks views, etc...
and a small part of "free" users eventually become premium users or whatever Quidian tells them they are.

Your post is almost like a padding post, atenuating the most negative reactions to the new "Marketing strategies" Quidian does.

Tomoyuki believe me, I understand your frustration. I personally rely on some of these free bonuses to read and unlock chapters.

and then sayng things like = it could be good or bad, idk, but it is not so bad we still get free chapters etc...

HeavenShatterer So why the hell are you behaving so entitled and thinking that you deserve free stuff for giving nothing in return?

Ads...really?

@Cantiara CKtalon Ads do not generate 5 SS worth of revenue. They generate about 0.25-0.5 SS each. Before Premium was introduced, it was using ads for revenue, and it was sorely insufficient to pay authors, translators, editors, and the publisher.

And here's what I posted before about how ads per click works:

Cantiara I wasn't around when they first introduced premium chapters, so I can't say much about their reasoning behind it. And I didn't mean to barge in your convo, but I couldn't help but say something when I read the part of your post about WN renegotiating with advertisers because they should be paid more for those ads. Yeah, sorry, I could be meddlesome like that.

Well, the thing is, what you wrote, it doesn't work like that. WN, in this case, is just one of the many host partners of Google Adsense service. How it works is basically, advertisers pay Google to run ads on the Adsense network, then WN applied to become a part of that network (which is not a simple thing, you need to be eligible and approved by Google first), and then once they became a part of Google Adsense network, they get an ad code from Google and place it on their site/app. Then Google pays WN when those ads appear on their site/app.

So WN can't renegotiate with those advertisers directly, there were never any initial negotiations with them, to begin with. And no, they can't negotiate with Google either, because, well, I'm not gonna call Google a tyrant, because tyrant is a strong word, and we all do benefit from a lot of things that Google gives us, but they are one of the biggest players in the tech world, and so, if you're using their service, instead of negotiating with Google, you'll have to conform with their standards instead.

As far as I know, if you're a host partner, how much revenue generated by these ads depends on two things. Per Click and Per Action. Per Click is the most common type, WN gets paid every time we, readers, click and view the ads they're showing on their site/app. But this doesn't really generate a significant amount of money. The other type, Per Action is the one that generates more money. WN gets paid when we actually perform an action after viewing those videos, like downloading those games advertised in the multiplier videos, etc, because the action provides a direct benefit to the advertiser. But not many people do that if any at all. Well, I, at least, don't.

So, just like CKtalon said, and he must have calculated those numbers or gotten the data from a reliable source, the ads don't generate sufficient revenues to pay the content contributors here. I think the premium chapters would generate enough income if the ratio of paying readers is greater to non-paying readers, and I'm assuming it isn't. That's why they introduced Privilege to give their content contributors more incentives to do their work well.

So, the revenue that WN gets from a user clicking an advertisement and watching it is much much less than the cost of a chapter, which is how much on average? 4-7 SS/Coins? Even giving out 2 SS/Coins per ads per user still doesn't give them any profit. This is why they are trying to get more people to purchase SS/Coins, which is logical, isn't it? After all, they're a company, not a non-profit organization, nor a charity.

Go ask Cantiara or CKtalon for more details regarding the pitiful amount they get from ads.

HeavenShatterer We still get free chapters, so...what exactly are you whining about now?

You say my post attentuates the most negative reactions. Dude, I'm just explaining how the new stuff works, and telling people how to use it and to try it out before you start whining. Because most people whine instead of actually finding out how the new system work. Like you, for example.

And your post is among the most self-important, entitled and arrogant posts I've ever read.

Oh, we free users help you generate revenue because of ads! So we are entitled to have power over you! Even though we don't pay a single cent!

How dare you take away free stuff!? I don't want to wait to read my mass releases even though I'm reading them for free! Not because you can't read them for free. Not because you're forced to buy the chapters. You're complaining because you have to wait a couple of days to catch up on mass releases if you want the option of not paying.

...right.

Tomoyuki

Tomoyuki So why the hell are you behaving so entitled and thinking that you deserve free stuff for giving nothing in return?

It was free and they decided to make it a little less free? i already said how it was before spirit stones and that is why i am not reading on Quidian.

Tomoyuki Ads...really?

It gives a small amount of money but by making it a frendlier site for "free" users, more " free" users would browse the site bringing Quidian money from " free" users .

I would rather give another site my 0.25-0.5 SS (it is not an accurate representation as other sites do not have SS, but the equivalent in cents) if Quidian is so money hungry that they need to corner the "free"
users to pay for Light Novels they could find for free.

HeavenShatterer You literally said you have the option to either pay or wait if you want free stuff, and now you are backtracking and claiming that free users are "cornered."

By the way, my friends were treated to free meals when I happen to have some spare cash on me. But now that I'm broke and need to pay taxes and rent, I can't afford to treat them. Are they going to start yelling at me for having "less free" meals? Since when am I obligated to provide them free meals? When Qidian realized that ads and the former business model was not sustainable, what do they do? They change it, obviously. Otherwise what are they supposed to do, suck it up and maintain a business that's losing them money?

And no, no matter how many more "free users" you get to browse the site, you still won't get enough revenue from ads alone to cover the costs. Even Royal Road knows this and they offer premium membership monthly subscription. People overestimate the amount of revenue that ads can bring.

No, the thing is that nobody is forced or cornered to buy coins or the stories here. You don't want to wait? You pay. you want to rely on free stuff? Wait and stockpile enough if there's a mass release, otherwise you get enough per day for your 3 favorite series. In which case why are you worried about the expiry date? No one is forcing you to pay anything or cornering you. I'm not sure why you are making stuff up, but okay.

But sure, go ahead and pirate stories from free sites, and gloat over how you have the moral high ground, how Qidian deserves to be stolen from because it's greedy, while whining about not getting free stuff and benefiting off other people's hard work for free (by the way, if you're pirating stories, you're not stealing from Qidian, you're stealing from the authors, the content creators and the translators).