HolyDragon17 Then you are wrong. Chrysalis is one such novel. 11m views, loads of collections I'd say, in top 20. Not contracted. He is doing very well at patreon too. So yes, you can do it by yourself.
Question on WN contract
HolyDragon17 Why do you need to inform in changing cover? Or do you gotta inform in everything?
It belongs to the story. Not everything, just major changes like cover and plot outline.
enthu_reader If this helps.
If you sign, it's for a story not a book. A story can branch off into others and a number of books, but all related and linked to each other. That's what you'll sign off.
A story becomes known as the work in the contract.
If you're able to seek legal aid or references, I'd recommend it. Ultimately, you should feel comfortable about what you're signing.
Great, informative conversation!
I'm shocked by the clauses in WN's contract. That's like a slave contract in a sense! Where your story becomes the slave you sell and can no longer be its master completely. But as Veronica said, WN doesn't actually seem to do any of the drastic things mentioned in the contract.
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DarkRay exactly 
. I nearly laughed my head off when they told me that. Why sign a contract with such popularity? Sometimes, they can be really funny.
Btw, I hope this helps.
There are 2 types of contracts that are still functioning.
The FRC and the RC.
First, they will tell you there's only one, the FRC. You either take it or leave it, don't listen to them. You'll loose your rights if you sign it.
Ask for the second one, the RC, and insist on it. Much better. You keep your rights. They will ignore you for a while but you'll get there. If you are patient enough.
I'm still on mine after 4 months. It's like ping pong . But I have the patience and it's not do or die for me.
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enthu_reader Not signing the contracts better in the longrun unless if you dont think your story is that good (below average, maybe even average) because u r signing all of your rights away. This means u lose at the very least hundreds if u ever decide to publish/ebook it or some1 contacts for an adaptation work like drama in the future (which this 1 is kinda doubtful, especially since most novels rnt that type of material as better storied tend to focus on publishing). You also sorta forever lose a passive incomes since u r focusing on temporary gains more so. You cant ever post on other sites (idk about patreon though), which means u lose lots of viewership and advertisement. There's kind of more problems too. The contract is only written like this because they know lots of people will still agree mostly because they are young and not business savvy. (I think) its under Chinese Law. If its signed, their company is likely to get a lot more in the long run. You might also lose all translationsm rights, not sure about that though, Im new so I only know details on th contract based on what Ive seem in forums. Lots of rookies will still agree because they lack patience. Also if its a series, then you will lose all rights to the future books u were going to write.
Thank you so much 
you cleared every point. True, if I don't fully understand the contract then it is better not to sign. I was excited to become contracted but some of these clauses and terms don't seem fair to any author. 
We work hard towards our stories but this contract seems a bit too binding and restricted.
Absolutely right! Thanks for your views. 
I had already heard a bit that the contract is really a slave contract.
Some part I understand but I can't entirely give away my copyright. Yup im really not comfortable. They said that can make us stop writing our novel anytime. It may not actually happen but this clause really scares me. 
It is still part of the contract so they can enforce it anytime.
Yeah. I kinda wanted them to advertise and promote my novel to reach a wider audience and perhaps also earn through my hobby that I actually like but the novel rights is a big issue. It's demeaning that we write and craft the story but don't own it. 
If I don't sign, it may take a while to build my reader base on my own but at least I will get there and also retain my rights.
Plus getting an offer from WN itself is a proof that my novel has potential to grow
Primate Does that mean, as long as one have rights, WN can't interfere with, whatever I do with my work.
Like publishing on other website, selling it to some one else, and stuff like that
I also didn't accept their contract invitation because of my love for my story. My friends told me to sign because I get paid, but I feel like I'm just being a surrogate mother if I did that. I don't want to give my babies away.
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Yup. As long as you dont sign a contract, you can publish anywhere you want other than WN. Once you sign, the publishing and copyrights go to WN exclusively. So if you have published anywhere else, you gotta take it down.
Yup. As long as you dont sign a contract, you can publish anywhere you want other than WN. Once you sign, the publishing and copyrights go to WN exclusively. So if you have published anywhere else, you gotta take it down.
Yup. As long as you dont sign a contract, you can publish anywhere you want other than WN. Once you sign, the publishing and copyrights go to WN exclusively. So if you have published anywhere else, you gotta take it down.
ReincarnatedSaint Yes, they won't interfere. You can do anything you want with your work.
enthu_reader Even if you sign, you can still keep your rights. Just make sure you sign the RC contract, only.
ImMK Try this, just for the fun of it. If your book is good, it might work for you and if not, they will just say no to your offer. No harm done. Ok.
You can accept the contract. You just have to make some written requests in the request box. They'll probably send your contract back to you with 'Who do you think you are?'. But, they'll notice you and follow your work.
Works like charm. 
Btw, contract signing is not that bad. They invest in you and you have your exposure and some coins, in exchange for the rights to your work. Fair deal? 
But my story ain't got 500 or 1000 colls or like million views. 
Why will they give me RC contract? They will just tell to suck up with this since it's my first story and still growing
enthu_reader Yea, they'll definitely tell you to bog-off .
If you really don't give a damn about the general FR contract, then, you can ask for the elusive Royalty Contract. They'll say no and send it back to you to adjust and so on.
Even if they reject your offer eventually, you are on their radar. They know who you are. It's good.
If your book is getting more and more popular, they'll get in touch again.
enthu_reader You don’t necessarily need those numbers to be considered for contract. Even with low stats, if you write well, the editors will take notice. It doesn’t hurt to send your work in if you’re interested. I see those numbers as being necessary for less, er, stellarly written stories. Then you probably need more proof of concept beyond your writing ability and story alone.
Chryiss I believe he was talking about the Royalty Contract.
The numbers are not needed for the Fixed-Rate Contract but for the Royalty Contract, they are definitely needed.
You want to keep your copyrights, you have to back it up with numbers (popularity). With numbers, comes higher revenue to be shared. Everybody is happy with that. But their won't be invested promotion in a work with low numbers, no potential income revenue and the author still keep the copyright.
This is where I am right now. I hope we come to an agreement or something. Personally, I love the terms of the Royalty Contract. No hard feelings for the Fixed-Rate Contract, not just for me.