I also didn't accept their contract invitation because of my love for my story. My friends told me to sign because I get paid, but I feel like I'm just being a surrogate mother if I did that. I don't want to give my babies away.
Question on WN contract
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Yup. As long as you dont sign a contract, you can publish anywhere you want other than WN. Once you sign, the publishing and copyrights go to WN exclusively. So if you have published anywhere else, you gotta take it down.
Yup. As long as you dont sign a contract, you can publish anywhere you want other than WN. Once you sign, the publishing and copyrights go to WN exclusively. So if you have published anywhere else, you gotta take it down.
Yup. As long as you dont sign a contract, you can publish anywhere you want other than WN. Once you sign, the publishing and copyrights go to WN exclusively. So if you have published anywhere else, you gotta take it down.
ReincarnatedSaint Yes, they won't interfere. You can do anything you want with your work.
enthu_reader Even if you sign, you can still keep your rights. Just make sure you sign the RC contract, only.
ImMK Try this, just for the fun of it. If your book is good, it might work for you and if not, they will just say no to your offer. No harm done. Ok.
You can accept the contract. You just have to make some written requests in the request box. They'll probably send your contract back to you with 'Who do you think you are?'.
But, they'll notice you and follow your work.
Works like charm. 
Btw, contract signing is not that bad. They invest in you and you have your exposure and some coins, in exchange for the rights to your work. Fair deal? 
But my story ain't got 500 or 1000 colls or like million views. 
Why will they give me RC contract? They will just tell to suck up with this since it's my first story and still growing
enthu_reader Yea, they'll definitely tell you to bog-off .
If you really don't give a damn about the general FR contract, then, you can ask for the elusive Royalty Contract. They'll say no and send it back to you to adjust and so on.
Even if they reject your offer eventually, you are on their radar. They know who you are. It's good.
If your book is getting more and more popular, they'll get in touch again.
enthu_reader You don’t necessarily need those numbers to be considered for contract. Even with low stats, if you write well, the editors will take notice. It doesn’t hurt to send your work in if you’re interested. I see those numbers as being necessary for less, er, stellarly written stories. Then you probably need more proof of concept beyond your writing ability and story alone.
Chryiss I believe he was talking about the Royalty Contract.
The numbers are not needed for the Fixed-Rate Contract but for the Royalty Contract, they are definitely needed.
You want to keep your copyrights, you have to back it up with numbers (popularity). With numbers, comes higher revenue to be shared. Everybody is happy with that. But their won't be invested promotion in a work with low numbers, no potential income revenue and the author still keep the copyright.
This is where I am right now. I hope we come to an agreement or something. Personally, I love the terms of the Royalty Contract. No hard feelings for the Fixed-Rate Contract, not just for me.
Do you have a Discord account? I have something I want to chat with you about regarding the future of your story
Clowniac#7342 is my ID. Add me as a friend and let's talk.
It depends a lot of your situation and the country you live in.
In France, with my current job i would need to be top 20 at the very least to make writing full-time worth it. Obviously, i won't sign such an unfair contract for an uncertain success.
But in some countries you can live well with 800$ or less, whereas in USA you can still claim for some social assistance with 3000$.
Primate Ah I see, I misinterpreted it as deciding between the two types.
It’s a shame that good quality but unpopular works don’t have a fair chance of getting the RC when popular cookie cutters are allowed the benefit of retaining their work. If this was serious publishing, those good quality small time stories would be chosen any day over the cookie cutters found in this sight. It’s a real rip off toward that author. However, as Clowniac said below your post, I guess nothing really is lost due to how poor those contract terms are.
Joking. No hard feelings and hard-headed morons were harmed in this post. I thinkVeronica8 LOL. It’s okay, at one point too I considered it for my tree novel since it wasn’t my main story which I would never give away. Besides, I wouldn’t want to see them force some mainstream crap on it to sell and ruin the artistic intentions I was trying to convey.
I will say honestly though, and I’ve expressed this to you before kinda, it does make me sad seeing you giving away rights to TMS. I feel one day, on a more suitable platform, it would receive the credit it deserves. Society is shifting, little by little, that more would be open to lgbt themes.
Clowniac If you are talking about the Fixed-Rate contract, fair enough then. And I believe you are talking about this particular contract. Though I won't say anything bad about it, this very contract is not to my liking. Anyone offered this, should read properly before signing it. The advantages and the disadvantges. Anyone ok with this? By all means, go ahead.
P.S: I know few who are quite happy with this contract
But if it's the Royalty contract, I will have to disagree, totally. Having read the terms of this particular contract, I can only say that it's a good one. Really good one.
Apart from the author keeping all the rights, the one I like most about it is that, they source for the work's adaptations for the author. Though, they receive higher percentage. I'm cool with this. Personally, I love this very contract.
Chryiss I totally agreed with you. It's very sad to see some work getting the Royalty contract over the really great ones. So sad. As for me, it's the Royalty contract or nothing.
Primate I would like to see that better contract, because as far as I'm aware, the contract I quoted is royalty based. Royalty contract doesn't mean you get to keep the copyright. You get 50-50 share of royalties. The fix rate is different, because they actually pay you money for the novel, no matter how much it earns. You agree a price beforehand, and all the other specifics.
For example, they will pay you $2000 for a novel that has 400 chapters. In other words they will pay you, let's say $5 for each chapter. If they earn $20 on that chapter, you will still get $5. That is what fixed rate is. Royalty means 50%, in other words if they earn $20 you get half. If they earn $5, you get half as well. In both cases, you transfer the copyright to your novel. If I'm wrong, show me the better contract.
Primate if it's the Royalty contract, I will have to disagree, totally. Having read the terms of this particular contract, I can only say that it's a good one. Really good one.
Apart from the author keeping all the rights, the one I like most about it is that, they source for the work's adaptations for the author. Though, they receive higher percentage. I'm cool with this. Personally, I love this very contract.
Yeah, too bad they act like it doesn't exist when you ask, and insist only the fixed rate contract exists.
I would sign Second Life in a heartbeat if I was offered a decent Royalty contract, but no one seems interested in playing ball.
Chryiss I will say honestly though, and I’ve expressed this to you before kinda, it does make me sad seeing you giving away rights to TMS.
It's all part of my evil plans... muwahahaha. :smiling_imp: I infiltrate their contract catalog, I gain control of WN world!
no hard-headed morons or eggplants were harmed in the making of this post
DarkRay It does exist and I actually **** both copies. Fixed-Rate contract is 20 pages while Royalty contract is 8 pages. Honestly, what you quoted are the terms of the FR contract. Better? Depends on the author. But as far as I'm concerned, yea, the RC is way better.
And I think I will stop it here. I believe we are still on the green line of confidentiality, at least one leg on it. Still negotiating mine. They might agree it with me before next year, who knows. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot.
Everyone, do whatever you deem fit.
Disclaimer: I was never here.