Darth_Xiane That is what is super frustrating. Some of the chapters I want to read will cost $300-400+ in coins just to catch up on. Like.. What the heck is up with that! I have a membership but I am not going to pay $10 a month to unlock an extra chapter a dah.. that is just stupid. $10 a month should give me unlimited reading!
Coins and Fastpasses?
I’m completely new to this and it seems they would make it a little easier to gain coins and fast passes. I clicked on a link from fb and decided to download the app and read the entire story. Here I am about 3 or 4 days in, a membership , about 30 bucks spent and only 115 or so chapters read out of like a 1,000. Although I’m really enjoying the story I’m reading I don’t think like the excessive charges for each chapter . Any tips or tricks for a newbie?
BluebellBerry Kindly stfu.
You acusse me of berating others and you start your post this way? This is hella interesting. What's more, I did not berate anyone. Quite a lot of people who are on this site for a long time still either fail to learn this (not saying it's their fault, just an observation) or fails to acknowledge (this here means intentional) that fast passes are not going to help author's in any way. And just like everywhere, if you like something and want it continued, then you gotta support it. And now I will show how little of value your post is.
BluebellBerry There's a lot of younger readers coming in who simply can't recharge coins.
BluebellBerry Also, WE'RE IN A F*CKING PANDEMIC.
BluebellBerry You don't know where they're coming from.
Emotional arguments
BluebellBerry How other ppl chose to use their money or not is none of your damn business.
You are entirely right! But also it's my whole business when people are demanding for this site to introduce even more free reading, as they think they are entitled to it, while I know that it would criple this site. Author's are already quite salty with the treatment we are receiving and you can trust me, introduce a single additional free reading option and only 10% of top1000 novels will remain on the site. And it won't be those near the top.
BluebellBerry Heck, even I'm wary of spending coins on newer novels in case they're poorly edited, turn trashy, or straight up dropped.
And do I blame you on that? But let me tell you something, I have several readers on my own who stuck with my writing when I first started my primary contracted novel, then kept encouraging me when I went premium and despite how insanely pirated my novel is everywhere, they keep supporting me. And you know why? Because they realise that without said support I wouldn't be able to write at a pace and quality that I do. If you like a story and want it continued, you need to support it. Otherwise, you won't have a right to btch about it being dropped.
BluebellBerry Don't go around demanding and belittling those who don't or can't.
While I didn't do so, you are not entitled to prevent me from doing so either. If you can't pay, then it's okay. Just stick with your damned fast passes, be happy that this site offers you them FOR FREE, and swallow all your stupid grumbling as its worth as much as FP are in terms of author's income.
BluebellBerry It's not your money to be concerned with anyway
BluebellBerry Not your problem either.
What I think you fail to understand is the fact that not only you hella escalated this discussion all based on false assumption (the post that I replied to didn't ask for rules, just demanded more free reading). What's more, you think that readers are the only end of the spectrum? Sorry mate, but you can't be more wrong. It concerns me how many free reading options there are on this site, as I earn my living on it (or at least attempt to). So as someone who actively invest his own time into creating something that is put in here, I have all the rights to speak when it concerns the topic of the payments, contrary to folks like you, who think that are entitled to everything because your mother always claimed that you are special, the best and other types of lies that sunshines like you will believe unless they will be faced with the harsh reality that doesn't care about their hurt feelings.
Overall, all you did in your post was bitch around, thinking you are entitled to insult me on several occasions, school me on the matters that you have no idea about and tell me what I can and what I can't do, without respecting the rules of the game or how I deserve a basic respect as a random human. You turned simple explanation of a simple fact (why there won't be more fast passes) into a basis to your own rant, adding it a meaning it never had (berating) only because that suited your own narration, only showing how desperate for attention you are, yet how unworthy of it you showcase yourself to be.
All I can tell you, is that from the bottom of my heart, I pity you.
Ima_Crazy_Guy Quick math:
300-400, so I take 350$ for the calculations sake.
That means 35 000 cents
That means 17 500 coins (without ANY promotion, bonus coins or anything)
That means 3 500 000 words (more or less. Int he absolutely worst-case scenario, it's 3 017 500 words, but I can't imagine an author being as tricky and determined to implement something like this)
And you really expect you should be able to read as much (around as much as 48 normal books with 80k words) for 10$ a month? Come on, there should be a limits to how entitled one is.
Mind sharing what kind of novel you are reading? Because even if I go with the most drastic measures (premium starting at 41st chapter, each chapter 2k words long) I'm still way off the mark to find a single way for the numbers to add up.
MotivatedSloth Trial Marriage Husband : Need To Work Hard. .... The coins I have left will carry me up to about chapter 230. I didn’t see anything that offered premium . Is that on just certain novels ?
MotivatedSloth while your first post was definitely a sound argument, you definitely could have worded it nicer. But no, you decide to blame the new readers and call them out for being greedy for wanting more chapters available. Frankly, it's hard being invested and spend money on a platform when you've only just started. A lot of my reading buddies and I only started rc a couple of months to a year in. This is service, and only the readers can choose to buy into it or not. It's not your place to collect money from them. And while I do feel bad about the pirated sites, I can also sympathize with the people who simply can't enjoy them any other way. It's not right but there's just not much you can do about it. Thus is the way of the world. Still, I stay on to support my favorite TLs and authors but that is MY CHOICE not your call. Emotional argument? Sure but people are emotional creatures.
I've seen you a lot on other posts and each one is jarring to read. If you're really trying to encourage more readers to support the authors here, you're doing a poor job. No one likes being talked down to and blamed. Whatever good arguments you make will just be ignored because they feel resistant to you. Are not tired? I dare say you've argued with a least a hundred people by now.
You think I'm entitled? Pity me? Well, go ahead. I simply don't care for your opinion. You are not my friend nor are you my family. I don't even care for your plight because to me, you are a stranger with an attitude problem. Even if you are suffering, this is the path you have chosen to take for yourself.
Don't bother replying because I won't be coming back to read it. I'll just continue to eat well, sleep well and live my own life.
BluebellBerry Not gonna bother reading. You lost the right to any more responses with your last post.
@yaoyueyi mind locking topic? I don't want to feed the trolls.
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Brynna_Schwab Sorry if the topic got a bit heated, but this kind of conversation does. Nothing wrong in asking the question.
My short answer. Locked chapters won't become unlocked since this is set to a fixed billing option. It's the way premium web novels work here, and how regular income can be generated. Fast passes allow you to read the story to an end at a slower pace since it's the free token option. Obviously coins can unlock at any rate, since it's the paying option.
Web novels are different to traditional published stories like ebooks, because you're paying for in-flight stories. It's the thrill of knowing the story as everyone else does; entice incentive to invest into the ending.
The Webnovel catalog mainly consists of these kinds of books:
- Translated premium that attract ongoing chargers
- Machine translation that are free to read unlimited
- Originals non-contracted, which are always free
- Originals contracted, which vary from free to price per chapter
The book you decide to read will likely fall into one of these catalog types.
Hope that helps
Veronica8 So if a author decides to write a free story the only income they will get is if fans themselves support them?
MotivatedSloth you realize a 300 to 500 page novel only costs 10$ maximum, why would anyone spend 10$ to read half a book?
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KuroUsagi78 yep. free story could be:
Original non contracted - the author is sharing their story as as a hobby. WN has no ownership of it. This story is always free. The author might ask for dollar support via Kofi, Patreon etc.
Original Contract Gifts Only - this story is free unlimited and belongs to WN. The only income received is through reader donations on the gift function. The option is really just moral support.
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James_Thompson_2843 $10 gets you 100,000 words here, which is easily equivalent to a 350-400 page novel. It's definitely more than "half a book." Also, most new 300-500 page novels cost US$15-18 (Barnes and Nobles, Black Library, etc.), not $10.
Well that was another model WN went with as well. Before memberships there use to be a subscription system which let you do exactly that but that screwed authors and WN so it was axed the same year it was introduced (conveniently right before I joined at that... my poor abused wallet!)
Tomoyuki that would be incorrect, typical 350-700 page novels in paperback run on average a maximum 9.99$ trade paperback up to 15$ and hardcover typically starts at 15$ and goes up from there.in a digital format I recieve no book, no permanent thing so even at the high cost of a new novel in hardcover from a unknown author, the maximum I should have to pay is 1/2 the hardcover price for an entire novel or about 7.50$ for 90k words to 150k words or 350-700 pages
For a well established and popular author I would expect to pay more but there are none of those here, and the translations are typically, from the ones I have read, are not all that great, but definitely readable
3 chapters a day is a little too few and yes unlimited is a bit much, but then I am a prolific reader which I do not expect everyone to be. I read an average novel of 350 pages in about 5 hours these days, much slower than I used to. But I think that perhaps a few more free chapters and a set amount of like 5/6 coins per chapter would be more reasonable, and that the membership would actually decrease the coin amount and increase the free chapters per day.
Thus is MHO
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James_Thompson_2843 https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/the-solar-war-ebook-2019.html
https://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/the-horus-heresy/the-lost-and-the-damned-ebook-2019.html
Black Library eBooks typically cost $16.99 for a full-length novel, and they are about 100,000 words in length, from 300 to 500 pages long. And we are talking about eBooks here. I am not incorrect. Your statement doesn't make much sense. On one hand you admit that it can go up to $15, but on the other hand you claim that the "maximum" is $9.99? Uh, don't you mean minimum?
Also, writers here get paid by the word, they earn 2 cents for every 200 words. What you are suggesting will halve their income to 1 cent for every 200 words. Webnovel also implemented a membership subscription last year, but most writers' earnings took a huge hit, so they scrapped that.
Tomoyuki in print books there are 3 formats, of which the paperback novel is just font resized and much cheaper dont know about your black media just actual books, and while it has been a few months paperbacks are generally 10$ or less and are the 3rd run of a book
Print media has cost associated with it, of which the author gets very little of the actual sale price, digital media has few costs yet you want the same amount. That makes no sense.
James_Thompson_2843 I literally gave you an example of how much an eBook or digital media costs. $16.99 for a full 80,000 +/- word novel. If you don't believe me, despite the links I provided, then I have nothing more to say.
Tomoyuki and I can get ebooks for as little as .99$ and your point would be??
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James_Thompson_2843 My point is that the prices are fair. That you are not paying $10 for "half a novel" as you claimed. That new books are generally more expensive, even if they are eBooks without "printing costs" or whatever. That you are paying for immediacy (or daily updates) rather than anything else. If you think they are too expensive, fair enough. We'll just agree to disagree.