Dwarkin Are you a newbie here? Qidian International = Webnovel. "The fact that you don't even have clue about it doesn't defeat the point."

And Microsoft = Windows.

Qidian International doesn't exist. It changed its name to webnovel. Are you dumb or are you pretending?

Dwarkin Nope, being insider or outsider doesn't have anything with having own opinion.

Sure, then go and list out 15 actions that WN is doing to attract more readers to the app. Since it doesn't matter whether you are on the inside or on the outside, you should be able to do so as easily as I could do it right off the bat.

Dwarkin So do countless readers all over the world.

Argument ad populum - the fact that something is endorsed by a wide public doesn't make it right. HP is poorly written from any technical point of view.

Dwarkin And this technique was really popular, and viewers loved it. Even Romans loved it too, since we call it in Latin

Having slaves and impregnating 13-14yo was also one of the Roman ways of life, but the civilisation moved on. So it did with its cultural aspect. We no longer live in society where Olimpian Gods are considered to take active role in the lives of others. We live in society where making promise (in writing, don't expect you to know what it even means) compels you to fulfil it properly. DEM goes against this point.

Dwarkin I don't agree, prove it. Dig into brain of every reader and look, if they truly love it, or it's just some marketing trick. No amount of marketing can help if the novel was trash.

I had a friend that was huge fan of HP. After finally forcing him to read something with any value, he now joined me in laughing at how bad that novel is. Here, the argument on your level.

Dwarkin Why should I prove my opinion? In my eyes 99% of them are trash. How many of these "originals" are really published? How many were officially translated and published in real world? It's not like I only look at financial side, but I'm believe that really good books deserve to be published in paper.

Once again, civilisation moves on, you seem to linger in the past. If you think good novels can be good only if they end up published on paper, then let me call over a few ecofreaks for them to rape you for daring to recklessly waste wood just to get more paper for novels that could be read perfectly well online.

I know what I said above is stupid, but that was the level of your point. You are calling 99% original novels a trash. You are basically insulting tens of thousands of people, by claiming that they write trash. Are you really sure that's something an intelligent person would do?

Dwarkin Where did I claim to be a professional literature critic? Just like anybody can judge if the food is good or bad, I can judge these novels and have my own opinion.

You can have your opinion. But once you voice it out, its no longer just an opinion. In extreme scenarios, people can sue you for slander. Grow up.

Dwarkin This made me laugh. Who cares about your mysterious "insiders" knowledge? Being a supposed "insider" doesn't give your words any additional weight.

I'm sorry, but that's not how it works. You clearly have no clue about writing which you proved over and over again. Rather than lecturing you on basics, something that you would need to pay me quite a lot to do, I just refer to all the knowledge and experience as the insiders info. Your words hold no weight as you have no authority to back them up. My (and any other author who achieved anything) words do hold their weight as they are written by someone who actually experienced the stuff he is talking about.

Dwarkin Nope, I just read too many books and I can almost instantly form an opinion about any book. And it is extremely rare (2-3 times in all my life) when I can change my opinion about online novel

This arrogance of yours only proves all of the points I brought so far. There is nothing in you. Only your own misjudged sense of worth that no one in the world endorses but you. To me, you look like a dog licking its own testicles. It might feel good to you, but for everyone who watches this topic and laughts at you from a while ago, you are nothing more but an example of someone too pitiful to know when they should shut the fuq up and stop breaking the illusion that they have any brains.

Dwarkin Why should I bring here "concrete data and information" when you can just visit the website and check if they charge money for their ongoing translations. I gave you a link and it's more than enough for any kind of evidence

You claimed that it makes more money than WN. Still waiting for any solid proof. Its the third and the last time I'm asking for it, later I will just assume that this point was like any other of what you brought up - meaningless, false and stupid.

Dwarkin Yeah, I found what seemed to be your most popular book, and I really, really tried to read and make a comment somewhere further, but I wasn't able to finish the very first chapter. And it seems that it wasn't your first edit of it.

Yeah, yeah, now you are trying to justify the shitty behaviour of yours. You can't. You did what you did and nothing will change that.

Dwarkin and you horribly disappointed me.

I'm glad. I could get depression if someone like you actually valued me. Also, I will remind you once again - check the meaning of the words before you use them. Because from the looks of things, you fail to even understand what professional means.

And FYI - I was hired by one of the bigger game companies in the world to write a novel for them. I think that alone proves my worth way more than some barking of stray filth you are. But well, I guess even this you will find another silly way to refute, so I will spare the remaining bit of your dignity (let's pretend for a moment you ever had any) and will end my involvement here.

Feel free to bark as much as you want, won't bother replying to someone as meaningless as you anymore.

What a waste of time.

                            MotivatedSloth My information is correct. ISSTH is an oddity proving the rule. Most of the stuff on webnovel won't get the same treatment.

                            No, you're comparing apples and oranges.

                            I do agree that ISSTH is an oddity, but the oddity is that there exists multiple legal translations of it. Thus we can directly compare what WebNovel charges against what is charged for a different translation. WebNovel doesn't make any of its translations available on Amazon, but wuxiaworld does. Over 17,000 coins on WebNovel versus $45 on Amazon (unless you want to subscribe to Kindle Unlimited for $10/month and read it that way.)

                            In my earlier message, I gave you 6 translated Chinese webnovels on Amazon. I pointed you to 34 translated Chinese webnovels that wuxiaworld makes available as ebooks, all for $80 or less (the more expensive ones are considerably longer than 1600 chapters). So I've given you 30-40 books (I didn't check number of pages for all the wuxiaworld books) where WebNovel's charge per page is 2 1/2 to 6 times its competition.
                            https://forum.webnovel.com/d/50508-rip-off/25

                            This is every translated Chinese webnovel that I could find. ISSTH is not an oddity - its price is right in line with other webnovels of the same length. It's the shorter webnovels that WebNovel gets to within 2 1/2 times the competition.

                            You're choosing to ignore the facts. I've given you 40 books to compare, but that doesn't matter to you. Instead, you stick with your theoretical calculations that are not pertinent to the category of translated Chinese webnovels (and are debatable, but not outrageous, in other categories.)

                            I've given you 40 books to support my case. Please give your list of translated Chinese webnovels that support your case.

                                THE_WORDSMITH Please don't come over here because sloth raised a fuss in the discord and asked people to essentially come here and gang up on him, especially when he is using personal attacks against people. It is highly degrading to see fellow authors acting like this.

                                People are going to like others work as much as people are going to dislike it. Don't respond to it in an emotionally fueled response.

                                As for this which caught my attnetion:

                                THE_WORDSMITH Do you know that they were affiliated with WN in the beginning? You can find all the claims you just made here. It's actually legal. Genius.

                                The comments on that post themselves claim they are not affiliated, and they are in fact not. There were a lot of discussions between Qidian and RWX in acquiring licenses for their translations of their novels, which until that point, had been unlicensed. This is during the time were legal matters were rapidly entering the translation circle, and everyone was relatively new to it.

                                An agreement was made, which remained behind closed doors, and everything seemed fine until QI aka Webnovel exercised their right to dual host Coiling Dragon.

                                RWX then made a massive rage post about the issue (which I'm sure you can still find somewhere, but I can't seem to locate it), accusing them of stealing and the relations between the now legalized WW and Qidian plummeted. WW refused to take up any Qidian novels (and I think Qidian refused to sell them to them as well), and they had to source from other sites, such as 17k.

                                They merely entered negotiations on translation rights purchasing, an agreement was made, then relations fell apart. They were never actually affiliated,

                                    CrispyCritter I do agree that ISSTH is an oddity, but the oddity is that there exists multiple legal translations of it

                                    There is only one translation of it, it is merely dual hosted.

                                        THE_WORDSMITH What is a real one? Are the things published on WN a figment of the imagination and do not exist in reality? Or do you live in an alternative reality? Please tell me what does it mean?

                                        Mostly it's just some trash from wattpad or similar websites that doesn't deserve to be called literature

                                        THE_WORDSMITH

                                        But do you think, you can come over forums or comment sections to fart all over someone's effort.

                                        Why can't I? We have a freedom of speech.

                                        NO, I may not be knowledgeable about the prices or quality. Yet as an insider, I can tell you that some people skip meals, skip sleep, only so that they can update the further chapters.

                                        No, I don't care about that. If you can't earn money from your work, just drop it.

                                        You also mentioned Wuxiaworld. Do you know that they were affiliated with WN in the beginning? You can find all the claims you just made here. It's actually legal. Genius.
                                        https://forum.webnovel.com/d/34217-wuxiaworld-is-legit-affiliated-to-wn/4

                                        Have you actually read the link you provided? It's clearly written that Webnovel and Qidian aren't affiliated 😂😂😂

                                        Yet here you are sitting on a cozy chair calling all this sh*t.

                                        So, how should I call the thing that looks like sht and smells like sht? A delicacy?

                                        If you are compelled to continue doing things like this. Then I hope you get help and get well soon. You have our prayers and well wishes.

                                        Thanks, best wishes for you too 😉

                                            MotivatedSloth And Microsoft = Windows.

                                            Qidian International doesn't exist. It changed its name to webnovel. Are you dumb or are you pretending?
                                            No, Microsoft ≠ Windows. Nobody called Windows as Microsoft before.
                                            So what if they changed the name? Still Webnovel equals to QI.
                                            MotivatedSloth Sure, then go and list out 15 actions that WN is doing to attract more readers to the app. Since it doesn't matter whether you are on the inside or on the outside, you should be able to do so as easily as I could do it right off the bat.

                                            Are you idiot? You said that Webnovel does something to attract readers, so you have to prove it. With you extremely important "insider" info.

                                            MotivatedSloth Argument ad populum - the fact that something is endorsed by a wide public doesn't make it right. HP is poorly written from any technical point of view.

                                            That's you opinion, I've got it long ago, but, sorry, many people won't agree with you

                                            MotivatedSloth I had a friend that was huge fan of HP. After finally forcing him to read something with any value, he now joined me in laughing at how bad that novel is. Here, the argument on your level.

                                            The most laughable argument I've seen here. On the level of having a black brother in law and not being racist

                                            MotivatedSloth Once again, civilisation moves on, you seem to linger in the past. If you think good novels can be good only if they end up published on paper, then let me call over a few ecofreaks for them to rape you for daring to recklessly waste wood just to get more paper for novels that could be read perfectly well online.

                                            I don't care about any ecofreaks. I from the country where we eat meat everyday and wear clothes made from furs in winter

                                            I know what I said above is stupid, but that was the level of your point. You are calling 99% original novels a trash. You are basically insulting tens of thousands of people, by claiming that they write trash. Are you really sure that's something an intelligent person would do?

                                            So what? Do I have to fake gentleness? If in my eyes it's trash, it's trash

                                            MotivatedSloth You can have your opinion. But once you voice it out, its no longer just an opinion. In extreme scenarios, people can sue you for slander. Grow up.

                                            I'm sorry to disappoint you, but it doesn't work like that. Or J.R. can similarly sue you 😂

                                            MotivatedSloth I'm sorry, but that's not how it works. You clearly have no clue about writing which you proved over and over again. Rather than lecturing you on basics, something that you would need to pay me quite a lot to do, I just refer to all the knowledge and experience as the insiders info. Your words hold no weight as you have no authority to back them up. My (and any other author who achieved anything) words do hold their weight as they are written by someone who actually experienced the stuff he is talking about.

                                            I never claimed that my words carry weight or authority. Nor do I care about your so-called "insiders" info. I'm stating my opinion, what can you do about it? Most of the original novels here are trash, you can't change my opinion, especially with these novels of yours

                                            MotivatedSloth This arrogance of yours only proves all of the points I brought so far. There is nothing in you. Only your own misjudged sense of worth that no one in the world endorses but you. To me, you look like a dog licking its own testicles. It might feel good to you, but for everyone who watches this topic and laughts at you from a while ago, you are nothing more but an example of someone too pitiful to know when they should shut the fuq up and stop breaking the illusion that they have any brains.

                                            Yeah, yeah, continue to live in your delusions 😂

                                            MotivatedSloth You claimed that it makes more money than WN.

                                            Oh, where did I claim that? Quote, please 😂😂😂 The only thing I said was that wuxiaworld provides novels for free, and Webnovel wants hundreds of bucks. And RWX is still able to earn money

                                            MotivatedSloth Yeah, yeah, now you are trying to justify the shitty behaviour of yours. You can't. You did what you did and nothing will change that.

                                            Will change what? That I tried to read your novel and it was trash? Why should I change that? 😂

                                            MotivatedSloth I'm glad. I could get depression if someone like you actually valued me. Also, I will remind you once again - check the meaning of the words before you use them. Because from the looks of things, you fail to even understand what professional means.

                                            Don't worry, people with a face thickness like yours will never get a depression.
                                            And about professional - please give me some evidence, how much do you earn here and are you really able to feed yourself with these earnings?

                                            And FYI - I was hired by one of the bigger game companies in the world to write a novel for them. I think that alone proves my worth way more than some barking of stray filth you are.

                                            Who cares? Definitely not me. There are so much trash games, I won't even ask you to prove it 😂

                                            But well, I guess even this you will find another silly way to refute, so I will spare the remaining bit of your dignity (let's pretend for a moment you ever had any) and will end my involvement here.
                                            Feel free to bark as much as you want, won't bother replying to someone as meaningless as you anymore.

                                            Oh my, so you asked other people to reply me, and now you just chickened out? How great 😂

                                            What a waste of time.

                                            Thank you for entertaining me and giving a few minutes of laugh 😉

                                                                  Wolfick There is only one translation of it, it is merely dual hosted.

                                                                  Ahh.. I had though it simply shared a common translation of the initial chapters and later diverged. I'm not sure where I heard that. Thanks.

                                                                  It is still is quite an oddity; there are few novels with multiple legal owners and this is the only completed novel I know of that is legally available on Amazon as well as WebNovel. Presumably Legend of the Dragon King will eventually be another.

                                                                      CrispyCritter If people have a non exclusive agreement, they can sell novels in multiple sources. It's not all that uncommon, you just get less money per sale.

                                                                      It was part of a deal with WW which soured their relations. They had a deal of about 20 novels, which they then dual hosted (which sparked all the drama as I explained the course of events in the earlier post)

                                                                      This is why you can also find Coiling Dragon here as well as a bunch of others iirc

                                                                        MotivatedSloth Bro chill. Its a widely shared opinion that (edit) a lot (not all) (end edit) new stories that are being uploaded are subpar. Many are rushed without checking grammar, cliches and tropes are rampant, and many feel like copy-paste. I would very much like if there was an option to buy whole, because when I first started using this app you could buy membership for $20 a month and unlock everything for that month. Most of the works at that time were translated, which translators have an easier time than authors since they don’t have to create everything (not to downplay the role translators have), so WebNovel paid them less. Now with all the new “authors”, it wouldn’t be possible to pay everyone if they continued to use that method. But that doesn’t change the fact that the novels are indeed incredibly overpriced. There are a few novels that are worth every coin, but many are stocked full of filler. You can insist on us getting an incredible deal on the amount of words we’re reading, but so many of those words are repetition, long drawn out needless info dumps, recaps of what happened in the previous chapter, or pages and pages of stats. That’s not value, that’s milking the system. (Honestly at this point I don’t know where I’m headed, so getting back on topic.) The point is, stop hating on people that want what they are receiving to be worth what they are paying.

                                                                            Didn't they try to sell subscriptions, but it failed horribly?

                                                                              Okay, to voice out my opinion about this matter...

                                                                              If you want to buy the whole novel in one go, please wait for it to be finished first because writing a novel doesn't happen instantly.

                                                                              If you're finding novels that are free, why bother asking if you can buy the whole thing? Isn't that a bit contradicting to what you initially intended?

                                                                              To the following arguments that I read so far... Kind of a bit disappointed on where it all went down the hill.

                                                                              First and foremost...

                                                                              I don't care how much it costs for every one of you to buy this so-called trashes you are all talking about. If you don't want to buy a trash, then don't buy the trash. People are not forcing you to do so...

                                                                              Degrading 99% of works is too below the belt for authors to not react...

                                                                              I'll drop a LOGIC for that... (Reminder: Logic! I'm using this comparatively.)

                                                                              If you own a family restaurant that are just starting and people come to eat, it's good that you're having people enjoy your foods, right?

                                                                              What if someone enters the resto shouting that the owner and the foods are trash, what will you do? Let them do what they want?

                                                                              Then that someone started comparing how trashy the resto to some popular restaurants out there?

                                                                              That's the scenario that's happening here.

                                                                              I respect JKR for making HP that became successful...

                                                                              But we can't fully give the credits to her because HP won't be made without the help of the editors and publishers.

                                                                              Comparing HP to your so-called trash novels is like comparing a fully functional sports car to a toy car.

                                                                              If you don't like how the story was written, please silently leave or if you want, leave a criticism to help them not to degrade them.

                                                                              You're acting like a drunkard telling the cops that he's under arrest. (This is figurative, please don't pay too much attention for this simple sentence.)

                                                                              To be on point... You can't just claim that everything laid in front of you is trash because if you do, ask yourself, who has the problem? The trashes around you or you, yourself?

                                                                              You can't expect people who worked hard through the days and nights writing just to give a satisfactory chapter for those who reads their novel to stay silent when someone who claims that books worked by a group of people is better than their works alone.

                                                                              Most of the writers here can't afford to pay editors for their novels and translations are also novels that were edited as it was translated.

                                                                              Compare a Machine Translated work to a work that an actual translator made?

                                                                              Isn't there a big difference?

                                                                              To conclude this opinion of mine.

                                                                              Don't just drop hasty generalizations all over and comparing a sprouting plant to a full-grown tree.

                                                                              Comprehend what was asked and start thinking logically without deviating from the topic themselves.

                                                                              As for my answer to the question, this is an insult to the writers who barely earn from writing but keep on going just to satisfy your cravings for story. If you don't want to pay, then get lost and don't smack this question in front of those people working hard to entertain you!

                                                                              That's all! Spread love not hate!

                                                                                PaleTwilight Okay, to voice out my opinion about this matter...
                                                                                If you own a family restaurant that are just starting and people come to eat, it's good that you're having people enjoy your foods, right?
                                                                                What if someone enters the resto shouting that the owner and the foods are trash, what will you do? Let them do what they want?
                                                                                Then that someone started comparing how trashy the resto to some popular restaurants out there?
                                                                                That's the scenario that's happening here.
                                                                                If you don't like how the story was written, please silently leave or if you want, leave a criticism to help them not to degrade them.

                                                                                Good comparison, not entirely correct, but good. Now I tell you from the customers point of view (also not entirely correct):
                                                                                Imagine if you are frequent eater on a certain food street. It's small, cozy, there are restaurants that are up to your taste and not. Then, after some time, the street management office starts to attract other restaurants, but most of them are not that good. Some of your favorite restaurants are closing, but there are still some old and good places to eat, and some of the new places are not bad too. With the restaurants come road stalls - few of them are clean and make good food, that's ok too. But at one point of time you notice that the street became a bazaar, and you can't even see the clean ones, because 99% of them are dirty, and many of these dirty "chefs" are shouting, trying to attract people. There are countless banners, that say: "eat this dirt and peas, there are 10086 customers who are already eating it". And you go through the street every day, looking how your favorite restaurants are closing and hearing endless shouting and loud conversatios of these peddlers. Will you silently endure, given that you can't stop visiting your favorite restaurants and you also still trying to find new good restaurants there? May be you will, but not me, especially when you started to argument with one of the dirtiest peddlers.

                                                                                To be on point... You can't just claim that everything laid in front of you is trash because if you do, ask yourself, who has the problem? The trashes around you or you, yourself?

                                                                                I never claimed that everything is bad. There are few good original novels, but most of them are trash

                                                                                You can't expect people who worked hard through the days and nights writing just to give a satisfactory chapter for those who reads their novel to stay silent when someone who claims that books worked by a group of people is better than their works alone.
                                                                                Most of the writers here can't afford to pay editors for their novels and translations are also novels that were edited as it was translated.

                                                                                So what? Let's shout on each other and entertain readers 😂 If they can't afford editor and proofreader that only means that their work isn't worth it.

                                                                                That's all! Spread love not hate!

                                                                                Yeah, make love, it makes the world better 😁

                                                                                    Dragoma

                                                                                    Poor OP xd

                                                                                    I think you can earn free coins by doing missions and some other stuff. There's also fast-passes as well. But of course, they won't be enough to buy a whole book

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