SlaveOfTheLord I meant to say that it's more universal (?) than cultural. It doesn't happen in specific cultures but also all over the world. In fact, I think it might be imported from the West, for example in the Meiji era in the 19th century where Christian values were being embraced. Christianity, in particular, embraced the whole chastity thing (basically you have to marry the girl you sleep with if you took her virginity in Christian tradition, or her father will shoot you with a shotgun), so the whole purity thing is more of a modern thing in Japan and China, and not some ancient tradition stretching back centuries.

Also, English speaking Western readers appear to subscribe to this as well - I see comments screaming "NTR!" the moment the heroine or one of the harem members sleep with some other guy. Hypocritically enough, it's all right for the male protagonist to sleep with multiple women, but readers begin raging about NTR the moment a harem member sleeps with another guy. So it's less culture but more of a niche section of the audience all over the world (do we call them incels? I'm not sure), especially those most likely virgins who don't really go out and interact with real women and have this idealistic notion of purity.

Most normal Chinese and Japanese, just like most normal Americans or Westerners, don't really care about purity or chastity. Just those "incels" or whatever you call them.

      Tomoyuki
      Again, where did such a mindset come from? You're saying Chinese didn't have such traditions? The same people who had three wives and four concubines? Believing that a woman brings great shame to the family if she's discovered to be impure during the coitus? Also, didn't I tell you about this children fable about this woman who refused to get married because the 'heavens' told her to remain pure? You're saying they didn't have this sort of thing?

          SlaveOfTheLord No, not really. There are divorced women/wives who marry again. Also, you appear to think that the people who have three wives and four concubines are the majority. Not so. Nobles and rich people constitute a very small minority. The majority consist mostly of peasants and farmers who couldn't care less about purity and chastity because they're too busily trying to survive. They only have one wife because they can't afford any more. And they can't afford to be picky.

          Also, isn't that the same across all cultures? Arabian sultans have harems of hundreds of women (and I think Islam has something about purity or virginity too). As does the West. So it's more universal than you think.

          You appear to be reading some weird stories and applying their logic across all "Chinese" people, but the reality is a lot more complex than that, especially if you study history.

          Also, you completely ignored that I explained how it might be imported from the West through Christian values.

              Tomoyuki
              I see, so this is what you meant by universal, lol, I had something else in mind. Yes, I did say that it's not just Chinese, didn't I?

              Let me explain myself a bit better. What I'm saying here is, culture does play a role in setting people's mindsets, this is what I've been saying the whole time... I'm not arguing if it's only here or there, I'm not arguing where culture came from, what I'm saying is that it does play a role...

                  SlaveOfTheLord Oh, I see what you mean. I think it's also important to note that noble/rich people culture is different from commoner culture. Not everyone can afford to be picky about their wives and marry concubines. In fact, most people can't - only a very small minority subscribe to such polygamy or virtues of "purity" or whatever. Of course, the nobles look down on commoners, which is ironic when you think about it.

                      Tomoyuki
                      Lol, the real irony is that commoners look up to the Wealthy who look down on them. People really like to get abused lol.

                          SlaveOfTheLord They have what they don't have, so I don't blame them. I don't like some rich people, but I definitely want to be rich too, ha ha!

                              Tomoyuki
                              Just realised, you're differentiating people into rich and poor with the majority being poor. Where's the people in between? Rich and poor are two extremes on the spectrum, the real majority is the bunch in the middle.

                                  SlaveOfTheLord Are we talking about history or right now? Also, I don't think I meant poor, I said commoners.

                                  Because if we're talking about history, there really isn't much of a middle class - most people were poor. The middle class was something that only emerged in modernity as a result of growing affluence, disposable income, industrial revolution, Enlightenment values, etc. For example, during the Edo period, approximately 90% of the population were farmers and less than 5% were samurai.

                                      Tomoyuki
                                      I would say anyone with enough bread to feed their belly would be considered in the middle, but that's just my opinion.

                                          SlaveOfTheLord Historically wise, farmers in China and Japan do not eat bread. They eat rice. And famines were frequent throughout, so they tended to starve. They were subjected to high taxes, so most of their crops get taken away by officials, and they have to make do with whatever they were left with. Many farmers were reduced to selling their children (to brothels, for example) just to survive.

                                          Let's just say such times were...bad for anyone who wasn't a noble. Sure, they can eke out a living through farming, and there were a few farmers who became landlords, renting out their lands and fields to poorer farmers. It is indeed complex, and there was inequality, but even so, these "middle-class" farmers usually couldn't afford multiple wives or to think about chastity or whatever. The education they receive will be different from nobles or samurai or the gentry.

                                              To be honest, I'm not sure where history came into this at all. I'm a bit confused about how it went from a discussion regarding the effects of culture on sexual morality, to an in-depth analysis of historical power disparities between elites and the poor in Asian countries.

                                              I think things went a little off track. Does anyone mind if I right this locomotive before it careens into the abyss?

                                              Gee, Chinese authors sure are racists, am I right fellas?

                                                Just saying that discrimination and misogny aren't so much culturally embedded as they are universal. You can find people like that all over the world, it's not culturally inherent. Or maybe you could say it's a culture of its own (incel culture, for example) rather than try to point it toward a specific national culture.

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