I read the first 3 chapters it pretty much provides the initial world setting and then is best summarised as PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS
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9Dao
- Jan 19, 2019
- Joined Nov 28, 2017
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Plundering the heavens --> Funny Wuxia novel (kinda reminds me of a Will Eternal)
MC is a bandit bent on revenge, pretty shameless, sneaky and uncouth.
There is another I have only just started reading Nightfall.... The only reason I am recommending it is it might hit your adventure tag.... but mainly because the prose and storytelling is very far apart from common wuxia novels. There is less than 100 chapters in total and the author has written some other several hundred chapter monstrosities.... So consider it less a thorough recommendation but rather 'try 10 chapters and decide for yourself'
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hongkongmooey Is that an actual thing where you buy a chapter once from one fuckin book and then you have to pay for ever and ever ?
HolyTofu
The idea of this site having a PREMIUM or PAY OPTION is not the same as discussing THIS PREMIUM OPTION.The whole premise of "authors, translators and qidan deserve money" is not an argument against specific criticisms against this payment scheme. That is just equivocation and a poor one at that.
I think THIS PREMIUM OPTION is shit and I refuse to pay until they offer something better... I don't think its me being a failure or cheap.... Moreso qidan offering up a half baked, needlessly confusing and questionably transparent payment scheme that many people including myself.
Good that you being a middle aged woman with kids can afford mcdonalds... I can as well you know cos I work but its different for a 13-18 yr old whos living on pocket money. I think the pay per chapter model is distinctly alienating to younger audiences and that is bad if you are trying to develop a buisness plan with some longevity.
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LongSongGolden But isn't it more fun to use real moneys to buy magic moneys to buy individual chapters of releases that may or may not fluctuate both in the price in magic moneys and the frequency of actual chapters. So you can work out how much magic moneys you need, before the magic moneys magically evaporate into thin air. You can add all the free magic moneys you get with the magic moneys you pay with real moneys over a 70 day period and work out per chapter how much you pay in real moneys based on the cost of magic moneys.
That doesn't sound needlessly convoluted and confusing at all... Real Buyer Friendly...
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I categorically refuse to pay simply because I think the model is retarded....
- I want a monthly subscription model which is fairer
- Most of the novels are significantly overpriced if you disagree let me know I will sell you a shit on a stick called Daoist Brown for 19.99 + postage and handling (the savvy consumer you are you should be jumping for joy)
- I don't want to buy the magic money with real money and then have to work out how much magic money into real money I need to read the fuckin shit I want to read.
- The non-advert experience, the expiration on spirit stones and pay per chapter model with no actual additional bonus of advanced releases i.e. pay for what used to be free just wreaks of laziness...
" we want your money, but can't be bothered to code our site, off incentives and can't possibly negotiate an individual venture with authors. Rather we will settle on an overpriced pay per chapter model because we are convinced most of our readers are a bunch of monkeys that will bend over and buy our magic money that expires....."
Just isn't really what I want to deal with.... I am fine with paying for something worth paying for.
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LostReader On a side note this premium system made me try Plunder The Heavens which is currently my favourite novel as the thing reads as a semi-serious cultivator comedy, which I am enjoying. It isn't all doom and gloom and the site is far from being unusable, I'm just saying that the Daoist Brown System should and hopefully will soon be replaced. My most immediate concern with the entire site is alienating younger readers to begin with, only because this type of entertainment could be best described as niche media, and while I don't ever hope for it to become Harry Potter sized in the West... I would at the very least like it to be more mainstream which for the aforementioned reasons I think this model inhibits. Because Qidan is more or less the flagship buisness enterprise that moves beyond the crowd funded model I just have a certain level of expectation. I guess as the kids would say 'I'm not a hater' (whoever says that in real life should be bludgeoned to death)
In any case like you, all I can do is wait albeit much more disgruntled and impatiently than yourself (LUL)
the novel sucks nobody wants to read it wink wink nudge nudge
(never speak of this again)
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LostReader I'm not angry, nor am I delusional as to think that there should not be some kind of pay service attached to this site. Only I am significantly disappointed as right now there is nothing I am willing to pay into and can only resign myself to protest to look for a better deal.
For example gems that don't magically expire....
If they for instance introduced a tiered membership similar to what you see on patreon accounts
bronze 7.99 per month you get premium on 3 novels and say 3 advanced chapters
silver 10.99 per month you get premium on 5 novels and say 5 advanced chapters
gold 14.99 per month you get premum on 9 novels and say 10 advanced chapters
LostReader 29.99 per month get premium on infinite novels and 15 advanced chaptersI think you would have something where everyone would get something and if Qidan isn't comfortable or just doesn't give a fuck about negotiating deals with the author you would still have an individual pay system available based upon what people put into their premium accounts for their novel limit. Then get rid of magic money if you are confident enough in your current website audience to charge you don't need magic money anymore and make pleb users watch ads for every chapter.
It's not that I am opposed to Qidan making money, it is that this current pay per chapter system just seems to punish people for reading more and rather than get genuinely advanced chapters, most novels just stop for a bit and then give you a backlog of individual chapters.
Moreover you can watch the patreon pledges drop that directly support the translator. So its not that I object to people making money, it is only that the crowd funded model sustains multiple translation projects in and of itself and the current system is quite disagreeable. As it more or less requires one to pick some novels, find out their updates and pull out a fucking calculator to know what they want to do with their cash and will lead to people reading (at least regularly reading)
If I get the 9.99 imaginary I get XXX magic moneys and have to pay XX magic moneys per chapter which includes X releases and the occassional X bonus release if I add that to the other 3 novels I calculated then per month the best value is... YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME.... I mean cmon dude... this isn't 'not perfect' it is a joke....
The idea that one is angry or somehow saying 'you can't make money off of this' by calling this virtual currency thing a piece of crap is to miss what most people are saying in it's entirety.
Quite a few pleb readers will naturally be alienated as every other website works on a crowd-funded model for financial incentives and many of these readers will probably he high school children, of course, they won't or can't pay for this.... either because they can't afford to or their mother would smack them over the head or whatever. So you can say they are whiners or whatever but when they can go to several other competitor sites and read the same kind of thing and/or are the type of young reader aforementioned described then you should understand why they are pissed. Qidan have had e drama with various other sites, so its long term users tend to defend it and good on them.... But again if you think this system is acceptable then I have some Shit on a Stick I'll sell for 49.99 I admit it isn't perfect but if I call it Daoist Brown maybe it'll have some value....
synchronicity I live in Australia and I can tell you that the current Australian dollar is currently trading for 77 cent US...
As per the math this is wrong too as even the 49.99 USD option for gem purchase works out to about 3.5 chapters per dollar (2500/ 49.99 USD) = 50 (assuming 14 gems per chapter) 50/14 = 3.6 (rounded up)
Recently I've seen pricing at 12 gems per chapter but originally I saw more 14 on release 12 works out to be that 4 chapters on the dollar....
The amount per book depends specifically on the chapter releases if you were reading Ancient Godly Monarch the translator has billed his translations at 50 chapters per month works out at around 14 USD per month (50/3.5). An extreme example....
My major problem isn't the cost necessarily if you read 1 book shit is probably cheaper.... but my problem with this model is it punishes you for reading more, it will also alienate teenagers and younger audiences from picking up the stuff as nobody with 10 dollars a week pocket money will be able to afford this shit.
LostReader Alot of people man are young kids who probably get 10 dollars a week pocket money. Moreso if your novel was the 5th favourite or whatever and you are already 20 dollars plus a month then people might very well drop it.
It isn't like the ad revenue on this site is non existent or that people don't support the patreon accounts. Furthermore I am not against paying for novels but would prefer a monthly subscription service. I read 10 novels and worked out i would be at 30 dollars + a month just on 7 titles.... I have not been commenting in the novel section but if I end up paying for this derpy service I will probably drop half the shit I read man.... Simply because it is overpriced, moreover I don't know the full story about it, but this 'gem expirey thing' is retarded. If I drop money on this thing man I want to buy chapters directly, not a magic elf currency that disappears if I don't log in for a couple of days cos of my schedule I tend to not login for 2-3 days a week and then do a massive catch up on my day off...
People are more complaining about how stupid and overpriced this 'per chapter' thing by buying the magic gem money is.... Moreover people are reporting bugs too where their fuckin gems disappear.... If you don't get why that is a poor service email me and I'll sell you shit on a stick for a 100 dollars. It will be a bargain believe me.
synchronicity I live in Australia and I can tell you that the current Australian dollar is currently trading for 77 cent US...
As per the math this is wrong too as even the 49.99 USD option for gem purchase works out to about 3.5 chapters per dollar (2500/ 49.99 USD) = 50 (assuming 14 gems per chapter) 50/12 = 3.6 (rounded up)
Recently I've seen pricing at 12 gems per chapter but originally I saw more 14 that works out to be about 4 chapters on the dollar....
The amount per book depends specifically on the chapter releases if you were reading Ancient Godly Monarch the translator has billed his translations at 50 chapters per month works out at around 14 USD per month (50/3.5). An extreme example....
My major problem isn't the cost necessarily if you read 1 book shit is probably cheaper.... but my problem with this model is it punishes you for reading more, it will also alienate teenagers and younger audiences from picking up the stuff as nobody with 10 dollars a week pocket money will be able to afford this shit.
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I don't mind the idea of a PREMIUM service, my main issue is that on some novels the regularity of chapters has got I would be paying for less than what I had.
Also to the costs involved I have dropped novels entirely as this pay per chapter model simply encourages you to use the site less. As opposed to a flat rate monthly service, this model actually punishes you for reading more. Some authors find it unfortunate users are dropping their series....
Maybe they are 15 yr old kids who get 10 dollars a week pocket money or maybe your novel is their 5th fav or something... The entire argument that authors or a company making money is not the issue it is that the entire novel is overpriced....
Even at max value
2500 gems for 50 USD goes to pretty much 50 gems per dollar
At 14 gems a chapter that is about 3.5 chapters per dollar
If your novel goes 50 chapters per month then we can just go back to the 14 dollars USD per month for one book....If I want to read I can afford it but for younger readers this price point will in most cases be unachievable even if they wanted to pay it. More so I am not sure I want to pay it even though I can afford it, the comparable services on amazon, jump online or just the crowd funded chinese fiction translation sites one does not need to say much more.... The idea that these price points are fair or value for money is a joke, although I suppose time will tell if people are willing to pay it or not.
Speaking as someone who is 30 and working the paywall for me isn't to bad. Assume you go all out and just wack down 50 dollars USD
2500/ 50 = 50 gems.... 50 gems is about 3 and a bit chapters....
So paying 33 cent a chapter with some minor change is what we are talking about if you go for max value.
Note other chapters some are priced at about 8 gems or so..... (this ends up quite a bit cheaper)
The issue with this model though and its impact is 5-fold....
The pricing is certainly more than a monthly subscription and will detract people from becoming wide readers for the essential cost of paying upwards of slightly less than 1 dollar a day.
It will cause a decline in patreon, this will particularly impact translators starting up without a following as there is no way in hell they will be getting the same $$$ as the translator of best selling novels. (Number 1 will also impact this IF all content goes universally premium )
The cost is substantially more than a monthly premium service would be and will particularly alienate younger readers who are getting chump change pocket money from using the service.
Translations for these premium services generally stall regular frequency of releases (thus far) and then spam numerous chapters for the premium service. This seems a bit of a farce as you are not paying for an improvement rather you are paying for something which you used to have or even less in terms of frequency of releases.
I think it gives competition services who have an inferior selection of stories and sub-par website an innate advantage cos their shit is free.