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TheAdventurer Someone's been lying to you. In life, the only guarantee is death. And even that, I wouldn't actually guarantee.

lozlo this paywall im sorry but its not gonna fall coz there are alot of ppl that can pay more then 100USD a month to read that they like...u can look at the patreons from evry novel the donation that other sites get and u will see there are alot of money trown in this that it can survive a long time.
The only thing i think for free users are if these will be made in a book and sold as a hole... the price would be more acceptable if not there will be alot of ppl that will pirate the shit out of them:)

Ops Indeed, the business model already worked in China yet these know it alls still can't accept reality. Things won't revert to what they used to. The free trial period was way long overdue yet they can't do anything else but complain.

Ops In the short run, sure. But, in the long run? Most of these stories are too crappy. It will have an initial burst, and then it will peter out. As you said, people will pirate the hell out of it. In truth, they're already doing just that. However, this site needs to make very little money to stay afloat, so it's also true that it won't be going anywhere. When I say it will kill itself, I don't mean that it will flat out disappear.

bachingchung I don't know what reality it is you think people need to accept, but I don't need things to revert, nor do I expect them to. I'm perfectly capable of reading any of the stories here already. But I'm still going to call a spade a spade. What I do find amusing though, is you whining about other people whining. Good job.

In my preference I wish the prices for spirit stones would drop down a bit. It’s to expensive to buy depending on your budget

Since I have written about this at various locations of this forum, I repeat - ITS A HUMONGOUS RIP OFF AND TOO COSTLY. QIDAN must come up with a friendlier solution now that is mutually beneficially - face or no face its called restructuring and being customer friendly, I am not spending over US$100 for an incomplete novel/s when I can several complete books at that price, regardless of their expenses which includes paying the authors.

Note: I'm not defending or supporting the model in my below argument. I'm just pointing out that a lot of people seem to be closing their eyes to the obvious.
To all those predicting the model will fail, I frankly think you have no idea what you're talking about. The model has already been proven in China, though at a much lower cost. Even if we discount that, it seems to me like the model is working here as well. Otherwise, why would all the top novels remain on top after going premium? I understand hating the model in the same way I hate video game micro-transactions. Does anything in the gaming industry come even close to the hate micro-transactions get? Yet, look at how successful they are. Micro-transactions make tons of money off those that are willing to pay for it when compared to free games that rely on advertisements. Spirit Stones are just the micro-transactions of the novel industry. Most people hate the idea of them, but they are widely successful nonetheless. I don't know why everyone likes to pretend they will cause the website to fail.

SnoozySloth I question the truth of the top novels anyway. I have almost no interest in the novels that are consistently in the top 3. So, I'm either a major outlier in regards to... Oh right, I am. Well, that's one problem solved.
Different definitions of failing. When I say they're going to flop, that is almost solely based on their overpricing of low quality, shotty translated novels. It's not so much the paywall as it is the price they want for those novels. And the fact that you can't trust anything they say because their word is worthless. Any promise they make you today can be broken tomorrow.
But none of that means they're going to go out of business. They have a low-cost business model, so I'm sure they'll be able to maintain it for quite a long time unless there is some kind of drastic change.

lozlo Whats your proposal on how to handle this? If paying for SS is too much and Subscription is not an option for you, how do you think we should pay the authors?

In my opinion just let the author decide how many SS they will charge for each chapter of his novel
You know only the author know the best about his novel worth
Qidian can just take 10% of the author earning

I mean i doubt people will paid 4 spirit stones for my shitty quality novel each chapter
If i can reduce it into 1 spirit stones, it's still doable because i think people still willing to spend at least 1 spirit stone to read that shit if the plot are interesting enough

Lagrange7 I actually don't hate the paywall in theory. It's the price and the quality of the product that is the biggest concern. I tend to be fond of the general story in certain novels. But, unfortunately, those authors are masters in the Dao of fluff. I swear, Er Gen, Cocooned Cow, and some of the others can turn a single paragraph into 3 chapters. Maybe more. And I'm not paying $1 per paragraph. So I don't even read their novels anymore. I quit reading Er Gen novels when they were still free on other sites.

For the subscription... With the number of novels out there, splitting a subscription fee would be a nightmare. It would also be a pain picking the novels you wanted to read for that month. And it's slow money. Let me put it this way. There is a reason a lot of online games veer towards micro-transactions. Subscriptions don't work out as well in the long run for a lot of reasons.
As for which one I like... I never stop to think about it. Every system has its strengths and weaknesses. For me to like either, I have to see a benefit that is worthy of the price. And I don't see that in any system here because of the quality of the product in question.

We should clarify something though. This isn't about paying the authors. They got paid when they released it in their native language. Though they should naturally receive something from this as well. This is about paying the translators and possibly the editors. More precisely, this is about Qidian making sure they can take the lions portion of the money made while still tossing out some scraps to the people who actually did the work.

lozlo Your right about that, authors should be as concise as possible without adding unnecessary words to the story that would increase the cost of the chapter.

lozlo Ok, guess we are on the same page regarding quality then. As cynical as this sounds: at some point you just know what to expect of certain authors/stories. On the other hand being forced to pay SS before knowing how good that chapter is is a major reason i am against it. You are buying the cat in the sack basically.

Regarding subscription: I dont know if i understand what you mean regarding the work of splitting the sub-fee. SS are worth like what, some cents each? I dont think it amounts to much more work serverside. Agree on the "subs fail in the long run" argument tho, havent thought of it. But on the other hand i dont know of a sub-model in literature (except magazines and those are not a continuous story). Games are another thing. Subscription on games does not work because the game-model or the graphics or sth. else becomes outdated. That is not a problem with light novels.

Thanks for clarifying the part about the authors and translators tho. Was wondering if authors still get a cut from this site if its only translated...

Qidian is a story in itself i suppose. I think everything that can be said has been said in that regard...

lozlo it's because it became so annoying already this have been going on for 2 mos now and you d!ckwads seems to see it as something new. Get used to it already ffs. Every fvcking day there will be 5 threads about the same sh!t, there's an existing thread alreaady just post there no need to add more drama since it won't make any difference. WN will still and always will ignore you.

bachingchung Cool story bro. Try taking your own advice.

Lagrange7 Well... Splitting SS is pretty straightforward. Someone pays SS for the chapter, Qidian gets this amount, the author gets this amount, the translator gets this amount.
Splitting a subscription is different though. Are you going to split it evenly among the novels they chose for the month? Or are you going to split it according to the length of the novel? Are you going to track the chapters they read and split it that way? Or possibly split it according to word count? It can be very complicated, and every method has issues.
Well, it's a different meaning of fail. Subs work to an extent. There are still games that do subs and have been doing them for 10+ years. Though, most of them have switched to a hybrid system of sorts. However, especially with low quality work like this, subscriptions aren't going to be very appealing for long.

Well, the thing about the authors is somewhat ambiguous. But it's an ambiguous statement that came from a translator. And, legally speaking, it's still their story, so I'm pretty sure they get something.

Qidian... Yeah.

bachingchung Have you ever thought of some people actually not being on this site for a month or two? To some this IS actually new.

Not to me tho, i just like to take my time to put my opinion about things together.

lozlo Considering the author doesnt get anything when we use free SS to pay him i think this system is kinda ripping the author off. Most seem to be fine with it tho, which is kinda sad tbh.

Regarding splitting the sub-amount per month: I was thinking to about an even split between novels with minimum amounts. Basically, every author gets SOME money, but you can use a slider or just put in % to allocate an author more or less. If authors try to abuse this system by releasing less chapters readers would use their "slots" on other novels and the author gets nothing or a very small amount of money. If the novel sucks same. If your story is awesome and has a stable release people will probably want to reward you for it, making you earn more money and having time to focus on the novel. Its a virtuous cycle, the opposite of the "RELEASE ALL THE TIME AND BEG FOR DEM POWASTONES OR DROP IN RANKING AND FADE TO OBSCURITY"- mode of operation we have right now. Its just not a good enviroment to create a literary work of art is what im saying.

On the other hand my proposal would give more control to the readers while ending the current system of buying chapters which might or might not be filler. If you want more novels to read you can either upgrade your subscription-level or purchase single "slots" which come at a fraction of the price of an upgrade. This way you pay a minimum amount (smallest subscription) towards the authors while still maintaining the flexibility to add more novels at a reasonable price.

I guess you are right, most subscription games i know off have some kind of ingame-cash-shop.
We also have that with gifting the author, except we dont get jack in return...its kinda like a black hole for SS with nothing in return? A few hours or so earlier access to chapters in return or anything at all wouldve been nice...