Rynea I made sure that everything in my book has a reason for existence, nothing that is heaven defying, broken or a cheat. And yeah systems do exist in my novel ( a lot infact). Have a read at mine if you have the time
Title: I Hate Systems
Link: https://m.webnovel.com/book/12200080106081005
Recently systems have been spammed like air because they are similar to fan fiction in that
1) you don't need to think up new plot
2) all of your errors can be supplemented with some new system function or it's analysis
3) the mc doesn't need to be too brainy ( it's difficult to create an intelligent mc by authors who by themself doesn't have such intelligence in RL )
4) easier to paint the storyline picture

And hell no, I never used such common tropes ( my mc doesn't even possess a system 😁 )

      Rynea
      Yeah. The only eastern fantasy system one I like is Legend of the Empyrean Blacksmith.

          WinterBud
          It sort of depends. In a book like yours, the system is more of a source of information, plot advancement and causing the character to change in a way. The Trials are organised by it (I assume from what I have read) and those trials cause a change to the main character.
          Everything is dependent on how you, as an author look at the system and what the purpose of it is. Much like with any character, the system needs to have a purpose, or be trying to find one (trying to find one is not really valid in this case but still good to keep in mind for other characters).
          The purpose of the system will change what it actively wants to do (e.g. Test the main character and reward good results) and also what in unintentionally changes within the story.
          Maybe due to the help of the system, the main character's mind can't take any more modifications of its traits and breaks. That is just an example, but when writing you should try to immerse yourself as the character you are writing.
          Readers will do the same thing when they read, it is why most Romance books are written from a female perspective; people relate best to those of the same gender or mindset.

              My problem with them is all rules I have to remember.

                WorstNameEver Noted, thanks for this. I'm having a bit of trouble liking the male lead candidates for some reason, and I'm reluctant to step into their shoes to try and understand them better. I think the reason is what you said about perspectives. I'll keep that in mind too, thanks :)

                    I think most of us enjoy systems the first few times. Then we get sick/overloaded with them. I tried writing a system novel once, but the system crowd is very hard to please. I don't recommend it >.>

                      I like system books the most. If you don't like them, no one force you to read

                      WinterBud
                      Yeah, as an author you need to be able to truly step into the perspective of the characters, their mind.
                      Usually, this is where what people called the raw talent of writing lays, in the ability of the author to imagine and immerse themselves in the world they create.
                      This is why writing is often spontaneous if the author hasn't trained themselves to write even if they are not in the mood.
                      Writing is a very strange thing, mentally, emotionally and imaginatively taxing; the satisfaction when you finish a chapter you are happy with is amazing and relieving.
                      Writers pull everything they experience, think, feel and even believe into what they write; so if there is a character you don't like or have trouble writing, it simply means that as a person that character doesn't appeal to you.

                        tsukkin
                        It's actually a pretty popular opinion these days. The system genre is nowhere near as popular anymore. I'm glad my novel doesn't have a system in it. They're a pain to write >.>

                            tsukkin
                            mhmm. I mean, system based novels CAN be good but it is rare to find a well done one. There are only a couple I know particularly well that have a system that works well.
                            Legend of the Empyrean Blacksmith - System is not the main part and levels are basically just showing the progression of someone's cultivation.

                            Storm Caller: The New Era - VRMMORPG kinda based thing that is a really cool idea..... unfortunately, the author has been on a hiatus for like 2 months.

                                SnoozySloth
                                yeah, I hate them with literally less than 4 exceptions. But those few exceptions either have a cool premise and/or system is merely for progression and showing quality of weapons (e.g. what they can do which is usually just wrote about during combat in a non-system book).

                                I mean, an example of system novels' potential can be shown in Legend of the Empyrean Blacksmith where the Empyrean Writ (cultivation technique that does have a system-esc format) does have a system kinda format with requirements to get rewards from but also actually has a personality and goals. It is not some mindless AI, it is a soul so to speak, one of the main progressors of the plot and also is used as a major source of worldbuilding.
                                Plus the book itself is kind of sick due to the way it is written and its themes. :P

                                EDIT: I know I was hating on these novels earlier, but that is mainly because the ones you do see are shit or rip-offs of The Strongest System which was a shit book anyway. The Strongest System is the system version of Eastern Fantasy's Martial God Asura (being honest here lol)

                                  It's a lot more convenient to just put a system in then they don't have to come with their own plot and powers and it's more accepted instead of all the people who get off on making fun of other peoples original ideas for ways to make their main character more powerful. If you guys want system novels to get their own genre then I definitely agree but you shouldn't hate on them too much since it just turns into the same thing that's happening to the original idea people.

                                    It's an easy way to present information to the readers in the begining of the story , sinse almost all of them come with a game like display of skills . My problem begings when stats go above a sertain number and loose all meaning
                                    For examle in MC has 1974 in strength , I'm not gonna even read the numbers after 1 .
                                    But in the beging of the story it's actually real convinient to have a well structured system ,and the key word here is well structured

                                      WorstNameEver take a look here:

                                      https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApVsHxMkVn6qqLgqkMIIa-TjbJGjJA

                                      The authors are the onews that can and must set their parameters in this section.
                                      Webnovel foesnt bother with the originals, only if they are non-fanfic because they may exort the author to become premium, or if a 17+ book was placed in a children section, or the apearance of racicism, or etc.

                                      You must post this kind of things in their coments or the author discord group.
                                      Not many are checking out this blog

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                                          WorstNameEver well ofc there are good system novels, i read them too... but the thing is, there are too many shitty system novels lately. And it sucks bcs i noticed every system novel is quite similar (faceslapping, revenge, jade like beauty, etc), i feel like i'm out of choice when searching for new novel to read

                                              Don't be discouraged just because of several bad books. They can't represent the genre as a whole. There's still a lot of good system books that are not translated yet.

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