DarkRay
Rak0
TL_Shay
TheSoldiersWar
Zero_Profile
Darth_Xiane
Okay, guys, Since I can't be bothered to do multiple posts, I will reply to all of you separately here, so just scroll down till you see me mentioning You again. Since some people really ask for a thrashing while others brought up a valid point I want to elaborate on, don't get discouraged by how my words will be emotionally infused while explaining the life to other peps mentioned.
DarkRay
When in a discussion someone starts to abusing you instead of using arguments, you already know that you have won, seems to be the case right here. But since I'm benevolent and kind, I will explain to you your misconception without using insulting language or ad personam, sorry. That's simply not the level I would like to lower myself into while speaking to you since you actually proved to be someone who at least tries to think about the matter.
- YOu showed me that someone took 6 hours (between almost 7 or barely more than 5) to read through 25 chapters of yours. If you take this as a standard of excited reader who reads a lot, then by average, he would need exactly FULL 24 HOURS OF READING to read just 100 chapters. Do you really believe that this kind of speed is notable? I can't judge the entire matter without knowing the word count of those chapters, but as long as they are up to 2k long, that's actually nothing much.
- Google average reading per minute speed. YOu will find that it's 200-250wpm for average educated adult, and about 300 for those trained in reading. Anything that goes beyond that actually refers to so-called speedreading, where you intentionally miss parts of the content to grasp the entirety of the material faster. While you can reach the speed of 7s/printed a4 page with standard 11 sizes of the text, this is not a skill you use while reading for the sake of entertainment.
- In adults world, you have work, social life, responsibilities etc, etc, etc. So far, I lived in 4 diffrent big cities (Liverpool, Wrexham, Krakow, ลรณdลบ) and so far, community NEVER took me 1h of peacefully riding the bus or tram. It's 30min at most, THEN another 30min added when you don't have a direct connection. If you need to walk, you can't be fully focused on reading. Also, most of the people have other matters to think about while going to and from work, they have friends they would like to met AFTER the work, they have kids to take care of, home duties like cleaning, doing shopping or doing the laundry. 1h of spare time for reading is already generous, and it comes not only from my real-life experience of someone who lived on his own in both studio and shared house but also from small query I did before writing my previous post.
- I do not deny that there are people out there that are capable of reading a lot more. I also know it from my own experience, since I was such a bookworm that I could read for three days straight just to finish the series that interested me. But that was back in times where my only worry was that the school would be back after the remaining month of the summer holidays. Even as a kid, I didn't have enough time to read as much as I want, forcing me to use my limited spare time to do so.
- All my calculations are based on chapters being either 1k, 1.5k or 2k long, because from about a month already if you want to publish a premium chapter, you need to ensure it has AT LEAST 1k words. Hence why I never lowered the minimal bar in our calculations.
- All in all, with an average reading speed of 200-250wpm, getting 3 free passes guarantees you between 12-15min and 24-30min of free reading. Reading more costs you exactly 1ss for a minute. Since there seems to be some disparity between the existence of the bonus coins in varying places, that means you get an hour worth of entertainment for a silly price of 0.6$ - 1.2$. It's obvious that if you belong to vast majority of NORMAL, NORMIE readers, 1-2h should be enough, meaning that you can get up to HALF of your entertainment for free DAILY, or even more if you are picky with the chapters you want to read (there are many chapters longer than 2k, but I simply ignore it for the sake of keeping it easy for someone like you and other readers.)
What about if you are a bookworm like me? Then sorry, but entertainment has its cost. With how much free reading material there is out in the site, with how much you can read of any book to ensure its quality is satisfactory to you, you don't have any right to complain.
With that, I can now go back to your previous post and check how would you feel if someone said this kind of words straight to your face. I showed you all my calculations, explained the reasons for taking certain numbers, yet you still dare to refute them without pointing anything wrong with them? I know that you can believe there are some people who read a lot in a very quick pace, but guess what? THEY ARE FCKING MINORITY. There is a reason for offices like statistical centre to exist. (And yes, they have specific names but I'm simply too lazy to google it, seeing how you disregard any kind of REAL LIFE materials and statistics that I bring.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/people-are-spending-most-of-their-waking-hours-staring-at-screens-2018-08-01
Check the numbers, for the demographic that can be considered as the most likely paying one, they have about 4-5 hours of screen time, with averagely 25% of this time being spent on the phone apps. Even if you are conceited enough to believe that ALL OF THIS TIME could be translated to WN alone, that still gives around 1h of time per person ON AVERAGE.
Learn what statistics are for, it will be quite useful if you want to decide something that can have ANY impact on a larger group of people.
Rak0
Sure, that's why I actually stressed out PREMIUM chapters, since they need to be at least 1k words long since an update about a month ago, so I took it as a base. But well, considering how I combed through entire stormlight saga of Sanderson's hand in just a two days, I know it's something possible, just unpropable. But guess what, if you read for an entire day, you are ought to pay for it :/
TL_Shay
So you say you spent 110 usd, while using ALL possible bonuses. Okay, let's count it. As far as I remember, before the last update, you could get up to 40ss/day (10 daily on average+5+5 for both votes, +10 for ad and 10 for multiplier), meaning that you used up 1200free ss just from daily missions. I will intentionally leave the weekly reading and weekly bonus out of that, cuz I have no way to properly factor it. That means you read 11 000 + 1 200
= 12 200ss worth of text, meaning that it was more or less 2 440 000 words (since there are times when you pay entire SS for less than 200 words, factor those bonus coins from reading and weekly bonus here). You said it was 700 chapters? That brings us to a point of about 3.5k words per chapter, and no way in hell they would cost only 6ss(cents) per chapter, as that wordcount equals about 18ss/chappie... UNLESS YOU GOT 60% DISCOUNT. So you got on average 30times worth of normal novel, while paying about 3.6$ for a single 80k piece of work.
This whole math DISREGARDS the free chapters at the start of the novel, only from my benevolence, cuz if I were to add let's say 100 free chapters to the numbers, that would mean that a single chapter was even longer.
And I can definietly disagree, I know that I'm male so I deserve to die according to modern line of leftist thought, but I survived on instant noodles and frozen pizza (exactly 2ounds worth of insta food daily, 3 noodles per oound and frozen pizza per pouind) for 2 months straight, losing about 15kg at that! (not that I would recomend this kind of diet, my stomach almost stopped working when I came back to my parents sweet sweet home where the food was ample)
TheSoldiersWar
You are wrong in most of what you said. SO let's sum YOUR POINTS:
- Webnovel is greedy because they either set the prices too high or they limit free reading
- They are pushing people for paid option
- They will lose people for forcing them to pay
- They are not bringing subscribtion back
- They are worsening the situation for both paid and free readers(?) and overall for everyone
So, my answers:
- WN can do anything they want. If they used free stuff to promote their service, if they finish the promotion, this means they reached their quote and can actually start earning back what they spent. This is how world works. If you saw a great promotion, but were late to go to shop before it concluded, you are not entilted to the old price and that doesn't mean that the shop is evil and greedy for increasing the price back to what it used to be or even more. They are simply conducting buisness and thats how you do it in real world.
- Of course they do! Thats the whole damn point behind being a free reader!
- They won't lose VALUABLE paid readers by forcing them to pay, because they are already supporting both the site and content creators. They will push away those people who can't be bothered with the fact that operating buisness isn't a charity and creating content is expected to generate income back to it's creators. In short word, as free reader, you are worthless for the site, because the benefits that you rack are not even near the profit that company can make out of you. In other words, you are only generating loses for them.
- They actually are planning to do, just in a way that won't hurt the authors. As content-centered site, they can't do anything that would hurt even a small portion of the content-creators in both the short and long term. YOu need to realise that people are using the income from this site to pay their damn bills and buy food. If they introduce something that wouold cut some people income in half, that means that a big portion of authors would just drop, resulting in the number of content decreasing, starting from niche quality books, and only leaving the super popular ones alive. While there are some good ones out there, considering how some people believe HP to be masterpiece... I'm already shameless by writing it, but my novel hits just on those points, being damn junk food for readers starved for simple plot and instant gratification. That's what WN is for.
- They are only worsening the situation for free readers. Paid ones will only feel gratefull, because they can use their coins on short chaps, while saving LOADS of them on novels with long chapters. Simple as that, you are just wrong here. Nothing bad about it, you are just mistaken.
Overall, you are missing the main point. WN most and foremost cares for themselves, then for CONTENT CREATORS, THEN FOR PAID USERS, then for everyone else and only at the very end - for free readers. Thats how this world works and thats how it will work, money rules all.
Zero_Profile
So, it's ok to starve the content creators, just because some people BELIEVE that it's pricey? (Which I proved to be fcking wrong several times in this topic so far). Sorry mate, but if authors will be paid anything less that what they are now, 90% of them will just drop. You have no idea how much effort and worrying goes into writing a book fulltime right now, lessening the profits would make 90% of active discord authors to simply drop and move somewhere else, where you would have NO DAMN WAY to complain abuot the prices, because you would be choked with thrice the current value with "take it or leave it" attitude AND NO FREEBIES AT ALL.
Darth_Xiane
You sure are conceited to call me self-entilted. You sure are funny by mocking my penname as well, but wait, where is ANYTHING of substance in your post? WHy I can't see it? Oh, I forgot. You are one of the types who are calling other a thief while running away with stolen money. Go choke yourself on your entilted attitude, you are the cancer of the writers/readers society here.
