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Cantiara

No, that's not how the world works. Otherwise, I would steal you CC, and say it's your fault because I stole it when you were asleep.

Thankfully, in the US, companies willingly refund or work with the owners when these things happen. And if they took too hard of a stance, most people would avoid purchasing such products. -Which is the problem, getting sales because more sales = more money. Not blaming pirates etc, because all writers get that done to them. So shut up and deal with it or move forward, because your wining on web novel is not going to anything.

In short, you're a moron.

Also, to all you writers stinking of entitlement, it's stupid to assume or hope you will make money when you likely have not proofread/edited/ checked for plotholes or even obtained a beta reader. Hell all you have done, is likely publisher your first or second draft of an unfinished novel.

I shall inform you that most books lose money, more so in this era of writing. So every contracted writer is privileged in that they have never lost money to publish like 80% of authors do.

Study the industry learn that a writer must also Market even though we all hate it. Learn how to market and build a brand. And if you have done none of the above, why in the world should you earn money, before even coming to the standard as those who have failed before you?

kazesenken

Cantiara the parents being irresponsible doesnt make it valid for companies to exploit that irresponsibility to get more money

Acutelittletrap No, that's not how the world works. Otherwise, I would steal your CC, go buy a bunch of stuff from a shop, and then go blame the shop for "exploiting" the customers. If you steal something, the blame lies squarely on you, not the company or the shop for "exploiting" you. In this case, the children have betrayed the parents' trust, and the parents have the responsibility to punish their children for abusing the trust they gave them.

Honestly, my parents wouldn't have given me the CC or their cards when I was a teenager, and I wouldn't want it either. If I want something, I would approach my parents and ask for it, not go steal their CC, and then blame Webnovel for exploiting me or whatever. If I did that, then I deserve to be punished. In this case, the onus is on the parents to punish the children, not to blame Webnovels for exploitation, and not to shift the blame to the writers or anyone else. You punish the thief, not the shop the thief buys from. Or is that logic too hard for you to follow? And here you are, acting all arrogant and calling Cantiara, who is one of the smartest people I've ever talked to, a moron. F* YOU.

In short, you're an asshole.

Also, when you accuse writers of stinking of entitlement, you sound very full of yourself. Writers are not earning money like professional authors (and they earn way less than what a professional author would make, by the way). They are earning money because of fast updates, and because they have earned their popularity. Obviously those who haven't put in any effort in writing their stories, those with irregular and inconsistent updates, and those who didn't manage to gain a fanbase don't get contracts or earn any money. Take note, I am not pretending that the stories on here are polished or some masterpieces that deserve awards, or to earn the same amount of royalties as professionals (and let's face it, most writers earn less than $10 a month, not counting the minimum guaranteed sum). All I'm pointing out is that, these writers do work for a certain amount of hours a day just to keep up their daily updates, and that's what they are being paid for. And they get paid pitiful amounts, but I don't think anyone compains about how little they are being paid because they know the quality of their work is not up to par. That's fine, though. They are being paid based on quantity rather than quality, and you can make a case of quality by pointing out that they earn way less than what a professional writer would have earned.

I also have to point out that many Amazon novelists who publish their works in Kindle don't do that too, but no one is accusing Amazon of exploiting readers, or accusing Amazon writers of being entitled for selling their works online and trying to make money there, despite their books not being up to par (and hell, some of them are plagiarized works - I've been a victim myself).

You are here basically saying that writers should labor and work for several hours a day, writing a chapter and posting regularly, for NOTHING in return. And then you call us entitled. Go think about what you're saying.

If you want regular chapters, if you want daily updates, and you want some form of entertainment everyday, where you can just turn off your brain and read stuff, then you pay the writers for supplying you for that. Otherwise, you are in no position to demand that writers spend hours everyday writing to post daily updates for nothing in return. If anything, it sounds like you are the entitled one (though I suspect you don't read anything here since you're a writer yourself). And if you complain about the quality, or how terrible the stories are, or how it's a waste of time to read them, THEN WHY THE F ARE YOU READING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?! If I don't like a story because it's bad quality, or because the plot isn't well thought of, or because it's edited poorly, I don't demand that the story be provided for free. I just don't buy it. I just don't read it. I don't demand to read it for free - and seriously, if I hate it, why the f would I read it for free in the first place? As terrible as it is, the fact of the matter is that the writer still invested several hours everyday into writing the story. I don't go to a restaurant and demand that I get food for free because it's bad or that I can get better food for cheaper elsewhere, I just don't visit the restaurant in future (and seriously, why wouldn't I go straight to that better and cheaper restaurant in the first place?!). Similarly, if the writer is really that bad, then nobody will buy his/her book, and eventually he/she will have to buck up and find a way to regain his/her readerbase. The readers should just not buy his/her book. Not go onto the forums whining about how he/she should provide his/her book for free. Is logic not your strong point?

It boggles my mind that entitled readers complain about the poor quality of the stories, how they are a waste of time to read, but still read them anyway. Quite frankly, it just sounds like you're looking for an excuse to read them for free, that's all. Logically, if you find the quality bad, or think it's a waste of time, then you should NOT be reading these stories, free or not. The only reason you continue to read them is because you find something appealing about them, you are entertained, or I don't know, you're invested in seeing in how it ends. And then you come here complaining about having to pay for them, despite getting steady, consistent updates...despite demanding that writers post daily and update everyday? Despite you essentially telling writers to labor for several hours a day for nothing in return except, what, a pat on the back from readers?

Sure, if you think writers should write for free, then we should just write at our own pace, whenever we feel like it, and update whenever we want, instead of being subjected to this insane "daily release" schedule, and readers should not make such unreasonable demands while clamoring for free chapters and mass releases. It's not as if we can magically snap our fingers and produce our chapters out of thin air.

Also, about the "lost money" bit. Webnovel takes 50% of the income of authors to pay for the costs of marketing, operating costs, etc. so we do "lose" money. It's baked into the contract. Basically whatever writers earn from chapters, 50% goes to Webnovel, so they are part of the 80% of authors. Even Amazon gives full royalties (if I'm not mistaken), but I don't see you complaining about Amazon writers being entitled even though a significant number of them published unedited, unpolished works on Amazon (I know because I'm friends with quite a few of them, and frankly, they couldn't even bother with hiring editors before they published their works on Kindle Unlimited, just so they can earn a few hundred bucks a month) at little to no cost (according to your logic).

Tomoyuki
First off, I called people in general entitled not one person.

If you want to make shit personal, I won't discuss it with you.
So keep your insults impersonal in the future. But, sure I may be an asshole, but I am right.

And, no I have never said that pirates are good, don't twist my words around. I said it happens and it happens to everyone-though Webnovel has a huge problem with, and that there is nothing that can be done about it.

Most professional writers write 2k or more words a day, a WN chapter only requires 1300 or so. So your daily workload is less than a typical writer, and then you figure those writers have worked for years while the typical wn writer has often just picked up the pen. WN writers are well below standard in raw effort and in final product, why in the world should they be making money?

The world is speaking its truth as they don't because the fruits of their labors suck. I never claimed to be a good guy, I'm simply telling people their wrong so that the few who really want to learn something or make money in the future can do so, but as it stands they blame others, instead of improving themself's.

The self is all that they control. Blaming Pirates, and worse the readers/ clients, is the dumbest idea a writer have. As, it's never productive. A writer works for people and people can demand whatever standards they want for their money, they can be as entilted as they desire, because it's their choice to spend it. It's the writers job to be WORTHY of the money of their readership. That's what it is to be humble, not entitled.

Also, I haven't web novels in ages, I don't priate or read them. I don't read them because the writing is below standard for me to even read. But, when the fuck did I- The person your addressing say reading webnovels is a waste of time? You love putting words in my mouth, but their not things I have said. I'm not going to defends other's viewpoints. You can take those statements up with them.

I have said, "Sometimes, I feel like reading something stupid and a Webnovel can do that for me." So, that's please, if you have a problem with readers, don't take it up with me, as I have never said anything up daily updates, etc, Personally, I'd rather a writer not have daily updates and give me good content, hell I'd even avoid novels that have them unless they're contracted.

lozlo

That's not what I said...

I was talking about the writers getting paid that they should be honored they're making any money. As their many writers who have lost money in this line of work.

If something is free, a reader has no entitlement to anything. If a reader-pays, they can make whatever demands they desire as a client of the author. Of course, in turn, an author can pick their clients, just as a reader does.

Writers provide a service, I can reject or not reject as desired.

Also, I'm not a contracted author, I have seen the contract, it's something I would never sign. I have been offered other contracts, from other companies, but that's because they were interested in my work, which I consider an honor, with those offers I can reject or take at my desire. Just like a reader can not read my writing.

Acutelittletrap You called Cantiara a moron, and now you're backpedaling. You quoted her, replied directly to her, addressed her point, and then after three paragraphs, you suddenly finished with

Acutelittletrap In short, you're a moron.

That does not sound like you are referring to people in general at all. But go ahead and lie about it in front of everybody, it makes you more persuasive, I'm sure. And makes you "right."

Again, most professional writers earn a few hundred times more than Webnovel writers. By your math, if professional writers earn several thousand dollars (up to ten grand) a month by writing 2K or more words a day, then Webnovel writers should earn half of that...maybe a thousand or two thousand dollars for writing a little over half of that amount. But they don't even earn that much - the average writer on Webnovel earns $10-$50 a month at most, and you're saying that even though they put in a fraction of work as a professional author, they should still earn ZERO. Nothing. Math isn't your strong suit, obviously. None of the authors here complain about earning so little, because they are aware of their lack of quality, and no one is demanding to earn a professional author's paycheck, or for full royalties. Yet you are here demanding that they write and work for free, and be denied pocket change. Let's go along with the argument that professional writers deserve the thousands of dollars they earn because they put in all the work, they get professional editing done, they polish their works. That doesn't lead to the conclusion that amateur writers on Webnovel should earn zero. They do a fraction of the work that pro writers do, therefore they earn a tiny fraction of what professional authors earn. Isn't that natural? What's the problem there? You're essentially saying "it doesn't matter if they do a fraction of what a pro writer does, they don't even deserve that tiny fraction of income, they must write for free." How does that even make sense? If you do x/100 amount of work that a pro authors does, and earn less than x/100 amout of what he/she earns, then it's natural, but you are here saying that Webnovel writers should earn absolutely zero.

And you claim that you are right, and writers are wrong. I think there is something seriously messed up with your head. Not only are you a liar, you are deranged.

Writers are not blaming others. If they suck, they suck. If nobody reads their stories, then they have failed, evidently. They have nobody to blame except themselves. The problem here is that readers demand that these writers provide chapters for free - like what you are doing right now. If readers like the story to the point they are willing to pay for it, then the writer has succeeded, regardless of whether he/she is an amateur, writes 1,300 words a day, and publishes on Webnovel or not. However, what people like you are doing is coming on here and saying they should not be paid at all even though they put in the corresponding amount of work.

Evidently there is something wrong with you, and you will delude yourself into believing how you are "right" no matter how much people point out the holes in your logic (and here you are criticizing writers for plot holes, I don't think you're in any position to do so, given your own leaps of logic and delusional mentality).

I have no problem with readers. I have a problem with you. I am not blaming pirates or readers. I am blaming you. Even worse, you yourself admitted that a writer "works for people" and then you turn around and say that they don't deserve to make any money. How in the bloody f-ing hell does that even compute? If people don't bother to pay a single cent, what makes them think they have the right to demand whatever standards they want? Why the f should a writer listen to a "reader" demanding for free mass releases when he/she doesn't get a single cent or benefit in return? Why should a writer spend hours a day writing for an unreasonable, demanding audience who refuses to invest a single cent and demand that he/she writes for free? He/she is better off doing other things with his/her time, like gaming, or watching a movie or indulging in other hobbies. Or getting a parttime job that actually pays him/her a lot better.

Acutelittletrap t's the writers job to be WORTHY of the money of their readership.

Duh. So you're agreeing with what I said, essentially. You've been picking and choosing what I said, and ignoring the rest (pretty rich, considering what you're accusing me of).

Tomoyuki I don't go to a restaurant and demand that I get food for free because it's bad or that I can get better food for cheaper elsewhere, I just don't visit the restaurant in future (and seriously, why wouldn't I go straight to that better and cheaper restaurant in the first place?!). Similarly, if the writer is really that bad, then nobody will buy his/her book, and eventually he/she will have to buck up and find a way to regain his/her readerbase. The readers should just not buy his/her book. Not go onto the forums whining about how he/she should provide his/her book for free. Is logic not your strong point?

So you do not deny what I said here, do you? You are basically reiterating what I just said, and I don't know how that suddenly leads to "writers should write for free, and if they ask money for their works, they are entitled." No, that's not how the real world works. You don't get to walk into a shop, tell the cashier that this product or that product is of poor quality and thus you should get it for free. If you think it's poor quality, you go buy something else that's of better quality or cheaper. Not demand that people give away poor quality stuff for free. When you create a product and put it up for sale, the consumers have the right to decide whether they want to buy it or not. If it's of poor quality, naturally they will not buy it. Who the f goes and says, "your product sucks, you should produce and give it away for free"? No, it's up to the readers to walk away from a product they deem terrible, not demand that they be given the product for free. Do that in a shop, and you'll get arrested for shoplifting. If Webnovel writers are bad, then they deserve to lose readers. No one is contesting that. What I'm contesting is you declaring that Webnovel writers do not deserve a single cent even though you admitted themselves that they WORK and are subjected to demands of their customers/readers/consumers. Your logic is highly flawed, and I honestly am surprised how you can go and delcare yourself "right" and then attack other people for their plot holes or lack of consistency and logic, or even call other people a "moron."

If I put words in your mouth, I apologize. I guess I got carried away because it seems that all these readers demanding for free chapters or more free passes kind of blend in together, and I mix you all up. That is no excuse, I understand, and sorry about that.

However, if Iozlo, me, Kazesendou, Cantiara and a bunch of other posters "misinterpreted" what you said (like your insults being directed at people in general even though you @ Cantiara and then called her a moron), then maybe the problem is with you and the way you write. As you pointed out, instead of blaming other people and accusing them of being wrong, they should improve themselves, but somehow that never applies to you because you are always right. Sucks to have your own hypocrisy pointed back out to you, huh?