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  • Gods and Isekai'ng and Systems

(This is just me ranting, I'll prob get hate but whatever)

I just wanna say that it's so fricken annoying that authors just wanna go the god/isekai route. Like bro, that's an instaneous drop for me. When you're doing reincarnation or transmigrating just drop them in the world with no explanation. That's enough, you don't need a reason from the get go, you can find one later in the story. It gives it a sense of mystery and gives the audience to come up with good, logical theories. USE THEIR IDEAS, some are pretty damn good.

Also, the use of systems is so overused, it makes the novel dull, boring and repetitive, and if you're gonna use it, do it good. Honestly, some are just straight up trash.

Also, is it just me but has the quality of standard in original and fanfiction novels just dropped like a crap ton from when the function first came out? Like the grammar of the novels that rank high on the leaderboard is giving me a headache. Which is out of hundreds, ugh... The quality of standard of readers on this website is just...

(But good job overall for writing something, while I'm on my lazy ass ranting, lol)

    I don't share the same idea as you. As in I'm mostly okay with the authors giving background information since the start. But what bothers me about isekai and transmigration stories is when the MCs of the novel adapt extremely quickly to the new world. This isn't just something that annoys me about the original novels on here, even many of the translated novels I've read in general have this. And I find that as an instant reason to drop off transmigration or isekai novels.
    Even for people who migrate into a movie, tvshow or book, they can know what the plot is but the level of details they know is very unrealistic to me. As a reader I've seen that even novels with thousands of chapters don't give too many details about most things that are unrelated to the plot. But these transmigrators will somehow know where those things are. It just doesn't make sense.
    Compared to that reincarnation novels at least make sense that the person had just reincarnated at a point in the past. Since they lived through this world previously themselves, they are more likely to know small details that others wouldn't.

    Piggy

    I agree. Even with iseaki type stories, not knowing the reason someone was brought to a new world is more interesting. I’m a fan of slowing finding things out as the characters do without information dumps. However, you can just plop people in a world and make the story good. It all depends on execution. I strongly agree with your gripe about bad grammar and low standards. We can pickup hate together, I guess.

      Pleasedeteme Personally, I define isekai as when a person gets transported or reincarnated into another world with their previous body and/or past memories.

      For one, absolutely not death by truck-sama or whatever bs people call it these days, meeting God after and getting granted a wish, etc. That for me is honestly just pathetic.

      A good isekai for me is just waking up in a different world for no f*cken reason at all. Also, with no god damn advantages (systems), they have their past memories, if they can't use that to adapt and survive in a different world, they should just kill themselves.
      (Also good grammar, sentence structure and use of paragraphs)

        Huh, sounds like y'all are basically wanting an isekai like the one I write. It checks most of the boxes on your 'should have' isekai list , lol.
        An MC that just wakes up after being summoned, uses his life experiences and adapts while slowly changing the world around him. He has game-like stats but those are a minor point, mainly to drive a specific narrative. And why he is there and his background is slowly interwoven into the storyline.

          Pleasedeteme I wouldn't call that an isekai but a jump chain. When the author chooses specific aspects and abilities and gives it to the protagonist like earth manipulation but born in a poor family, shit like that. And this concept continues for like 5-6 world's, as many as the author wants.

          (As for powers, if it's an inherent ability they gain because of their family, fair game)

            kazesenken Sounds interesting from the get go, by simply using life experiences, you're diverting from the typical shitty route most trash authors choose to take.

                Piggy I'm writing a book about a handsome CEO basically the male lead of every romance novel getting transported to another world where he is the chosen one but he is totally useless, he doesn't know how to fight since his bodyguards did it for him he doesn't have any survival skills since he was born rich and he doesn't have any social skills because he thought he was better then everyone else, oh and I'm doing a joke about how everyone thinks he is ugly but I'm doing all this because I want the protagonist to go through a character arc where he goes from confident and a bit of dick to humble and nice but I need to know what most people hate about another world novel and you seem like the perfect person to ask

                    heyitsbluejay That's good cause that creates character development, which isn't seen in most original isekai novels.

                    Personally I'm not a big fan of isekai novels but for me it's always the grammar, I always read the synopsis or the short prologue, as it gives me an idea of their literacy level, idc if English is their first or second language, if it's shit then I'm not gonna stoop to their level to read it. So always proof read and ask others to beta read your novel. Also, make sure your synopsis isn't shit, don't make it first or second person, make it third, get ideas from Chinese authors, they do this for a living.

                    Also, one of the biggest reasons why I stopped reading isekai novels in general was because the protagonist were always fucken pussies, they were literally bitches of the female lead, it's pathetic. (I'm not an advocate for male supremacy but when you write like that, it's kind hard not to)

                    Idk much cause I don't read that many isekai novels in general but for me its always the mentality/attitude of the protagonist and the grammar (also use paragraphs, don't be that dick that makes it hard for the audience to read)
                    Make it logical.

                        Piggy
                        I find that it's difficult to balance character development in a way that satisfies the majority of people. Yes, there's a lot of isekai novels where the MC is weak and bullied, and conversely, there are the edgelord MCs that just try to dominate everything. It's not just limited to Isekai. You see that a lot everywhere.

                        For example, I have a MC who is considered "weak" to begin with, despite having a trick up his sleeve. Well, some readers get pissed off about how he doesn't act certain ways and think he is being the FL's bitch because of it. For times like that, I step back and think about whether that really is the case.

                        Does the writing actually back that up, or are they possibly self-absorbed in the heat of the action? It's pretty annoying how often the latter happens, especially when they start claiming things out of nowhere (like where the heck did they get that idea?). People draw their own conclusions, so authors write however they think a scene works out.

                        Could be a cultural thing too. Some isekai novelists are bullied people using their own experiences as a basis. Maybe later in the story, things turn out in the best way for them. To them, aspiring to get to that point may be the story.

                            kazesenken I think it's not that the character is weak it's that the reader doesn't believe that character is truly growing stronger

                                heyitsbluejay
                                I'm not referring to comments like that. It's more the comments where the readers think a brash decision would be "better for the MC" just because of whatever reason.

                                For example, a suggestion that he shouldn't be "cooped up in the FL's mansion" where he could be out "doing stuff on his own", despite the MC having literally no way to fight. Or killing people at the drop of a hat. My character is really weak at the beginning. It's purposefully established that he's a one trick pony to start off with, and that he would rather develop other methods to deal with issues.

                                He's basically like Subaru's mentality from ReZero, whose only ability is Return from Death, needing to figure out how to use his ability to his advantage.

                                    kazesenken
                                    Idk much in relation to writing as I'm a reader myself, but readers are getting angry possibly because your protagonist isn't doing anything that is productive that gives them any benefit. Or, you can show the audience the protagonists thought process, to know his plans for the future, whether that's training, recruiting, developing skills, ways to master that one skill, etc.

                                    I don't know your story so I can't give you much advice, but you can tell them to just fuck off and that it's your story.

                                        Piggy
                                        Oh, I'm not really bothered by those particular comments, especially when there's just as many comments that see no issue with it. I look at them and then think critically whether it's justified, but that's about it.

                                        I was pointing out that there's really no way to satisfy everyone. And really, that one little thing that no one else minds can really tick off certain people and ruin an entire genre for them.

                                        There are plenty of isekai that are good. Don't let a few bad eggs ruin the whole shipment.

                                            Pleasedeteme I can neither agree or disagree with you cause I have no idea what the fuck you're saying. Instead of all this bs, tell me straight up.

                                              Piggy

                                              Hey, I couldn't help but notice this thread and you bringing up the surge of power fantasy and system books :3 Since you've already shared your ideas for what works for you in an 'isekai', I'm a bit curious on what is a good 'System' to you?

                                              And lastly, when you speak of quality writing in web novels available in this site, does it mean you're looking for something written similarly to traditionally published books? And are the web novels you're reading... do they tend to only have one to three sentences per 'paragraph'? Or even just one? ( When I read something on mobile app, it looks decent but when I read it on desktop site, its formatting becomes an eyesore for some reason)

                                              Rants are fine tbh, it's an interesting topic :D

                                                  RachelRuth

                                                  A good system novel for me would that it would go into detail, like the way the system is structured, novels like "The legendary mechanic". That novel is detailed as fuck, you can tell how much effort the author put in. However, I generally don't enjoy original system novels as I believe it's the easy route in writing a novel, (you just gather the amount required, and you gain the ability/power with no explanation given, it just happens, it's pathetic), except for traditionally published novels, the authors do it for a living so they're generally well written and structured, and they also give some background information about the ability gained. It's somewhat like the system isn't even necessary for these protagonists, those are the readable ones for me.

                                                  As for the quality of the novels, even when the "write your own novel" function came out, the quality was still lackluster compared to the traditionally published novels, and even now the quality is pathetic, some novels ranked high on the leaderboard use colons, not quotations, FUCKEN COLONS.

                                                  For sentence structure and paragraphs, the ones I read tend to have max 7-8 sentence paragraphs, but those only occur 3-4 times in a chapter and the rest are relatively short with 3-4 sentences. But, the novels I read, the grammar, in general, is good, the authors know what they're doing, so it's readable, unlike some shitty authors on this site.

                                                      Piggy
                                                      Traditionally published novels go through lots of editing, whereas the writers here tend to slap something together and then post it without much thought. Even the ones that seem to know what they are doing are prone to this, but hey, popularity doesn't equate to quality for webnovels.

                                                      I'm kind of curious what you would think of my novels then. Based on what you've said, it seems like it would be right up your alley. Honestly, I have no idea how 'quality' my writing is, but I have an editor (volunteering his services for free) that finds only few minor typos occasionally.

                                                      My ongoing one technically has system, but it's only there to drive the narrative (I rarely ever mention stats or skills and stuff unless they are important to the plot).

                                                      Would be glad if you wanted to give it a shot to see how it compares with the bad ones you see all the time, lol. Just search my name for them and see if the synopses piques your interest.

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