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If you really read that far and found it out, that is not wrong to put 1 star:P

But putting 1 star still sound wrong because that is only for character and world development, not for stability updates and writing quality.

If people knows how to read, then yes racist is wrong, 1 star is also wrong. But most people actually can't read properly hence trying to defend a wrong and two wrong don't make a right. You got me?

Sythcake Aggressive? My reply was pretty much mirroring yours.

Mirroring mine? I'm not the one who accused Avidfan of saying authors can't criticize other authors without making alternate accounts.

Sythcake Then why is he forcing his assumptions as the other party’s intentions?

You say that, yet you are the one forcing your assumptions upon him. He literally gave an example of how unfair 1 star reviews are.

Avidfan The five rating system consists of:

1) Writing Quality
2) Stability of Updates
3) Story Development
4) Character Design
5) World Background

I saw people gives 1 star for all, even though the writing quality is good, constant updates, there is story development and world background. But they treat character design as 1 star and give 1 star because somehow they don't like the MC.

And then you ignored that example and assumed that he was...making mistaken assumptions about the reviewer? Without clarifying or taking a look at the review in question yourself? Shouldn't you look in the mirror?

    Tomoyuki chill dude y r u getting into that sh*tty targeting circle again...u will target him...he will target u....nd then a new cliche wuxia novel cycle will begin... maybe eng.. is not his native language...y bother

      Sythcake

      Thanks for taking a swipe at me while commenting.

      You join in the discussion halfway, quote us and make yourself the personal attacks of the discussion because for some unknown reasons, you sound like everyone is talking about you.

      Everyone that reads this discussion is going to bow down to you for your delirium lol.

      Relax little bro.

      Tomoyuki And then you ignored that example and assumed that he was...making mistaken assumptions about the reviewer? Without clarifying or taking a look at the review in question yourself? Shouldn't you look in the mirror?

      Then let me clarify, if the work is unreadable then stuff like stability of updates and whatnot shouldn’t even be taken into consideration.

      Tomoyuki The irony is super-strong here.

      Personally, I’d like to believe that unlike Avidfan’s gibberish, my arguments are pretty self explanatory but it seems like some people require me to hold their hand and explain everything word by word.

      Tomoyuki Mirroring mine? I'm not the one who accused Avidfan of saying authors can't criticize other authors without making alternate accounts.

      Because his original example was based on what seemed to be his assumptions. Never does he mentions any sort of fabrication.

      Avidfan That guy forget to switch his char to fabricate to give only 1 star rating and only read 1 chapter

      Later he added the comment above which I had understandable troubles in deciphering and only much later did I manage to connect the dots and figured out that the underhanded author fabricated facts in his 1 star review.

        Sythcake Personally, I’d like to believe that unlike Avidfan’s gibberish, my arguments are pretty self explanatory but it seems like some people require me to hold their hand and explain everything word by word.

        I had to break this to you, pal, but Avidfan's statements are less gibberish and more comprehensible than yours. I'm not saying your posts are complete nonsense, but you seem to be making the wrong sort of accusations or criticisms.

        Also, I find it ironic that I did not have any trouble "deciphering" Avidfan's posts whatsoever, yet you seem to imply that I require you to hold my hand and explain everything word by word. Like I said, I think you ought to look in the mirror.

        Sythcake Because his original example was based on what seemed to be his assumptions. Never does he mentions any sort of fabrication.

        As was your accusation, which was based on your own set of assumptions. Not to mention, he literally gave an example of what 1-star reviews are mostly like, so unless your reading comprehension is inadequate, I am not sure why you failed to make the link between his explanation of why 1-star reviews are unfair and how he came to the conclusion regarding the author and the review. And here you are, claiming that other people require hand-holding and word-by-word explanations. Again, please look into the mirror.

        But as the Reviewer says, it's best if I leave it here.

          Tomoyuki Wow...

          Let’s take this step by step.

          First avidfan gives an example:

          Avidfan I even saw Authors giving 1 star to others (trying to backstab a rival) but forget to login a new account and hence, ops, got tracked back.

          My reply,

          Sythcake So authors can’t criticize the works of other authors without making an alt account now?

          My meaning was that his example is bs, because he couldn’t know that the author was out there to undermine competition instead of simply giving a low rating to a shitty book. I honestly thought that it was pretty obv.

          (In between, we detracted into discussing about why 1 star reviews are unacceptable but this honestly had nothing to do with my original argument so I’ll just skip it here.)

          So in reply Avidfan posts this

          Avidfan You totally misunderstood. Of course they can. But authors are expected to be more professional. That guy forget to switch his char to fabricate to give only 1 star rating and only read 1 chapter. It is obvious that he is just trying to put down other authors for his own benefit.

          And if this particular sentence “That guy forget to switch his char to fabricate to give only 1 star rating and only read 1 chapter.“ led you to realize that the underhanded author was fabricating facts about the story he was undermining in the review... then holy shit, kudos to you.

          Sythcake Tomoyuki Why put words in Avidfan's mouth? He was only criticizing authors who tried to backstab others with low reviews. He never said that authors should be disallowed from criticizing other people.

          Then why is he forcing his assumptions as the other party’s intentions? How can he be sure that the author wanted to be underhanded instead of simply criticizing a shitty piece of work.

          Then you come in and I’m like ‘Wot?’

            FBI_OpEn_UP Fun fact: you can't tightly hold your nose and breathe.

            Please don't try it. Stunts like this are performed by expert individuals :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

            I myself can't laugh at this poor excuse of a joke, hence three laughing emojis :sweat:

            coming to the topic at hand here, the review system has many flaws. but, this has been discussed many times. WN has never implemented any good changes to it to date. we can only hope it gets their attention one day and they implement something better

            Tomoyuki Yeah thats an argument most of you might say here, but do you what experience I had with WN?

            There are about 20+ five stars for every low rating, but the low rating often reflects the stuff that I was looking for in a review, usually the bland MC's, writing quality, story dev, consistency, world building. The high ratings dont often come across as legitimate if they only say the good parts, the same could be applied in vice versa. I even saw one novel where the story is 5.0, when I found out the author was deleting reviews, thus, why woukd I trust this 5.0 stars? Right now, the rating system is too fake that they are no longer legit, thus making the low ratings more legitimate.

              CacackleLasson

              In general, it seems impossible for someone to have five stars for a novel they right. I believe that there is no such thing as a "five-star rating" because everyone makes mistakes in a novel. Depending on whatever it is, there's always going to be that one person who doesn't like something in the story. Hence why that one person wouldn't give the person a five-star review.

              As for one-star ratings... you should go to SwishDrip's discussion about it. She's basically asking for low rate reviews on popular novels, they usually point out the flaws of the story, at least the most like ones that is. Yeah, there's always gonna be that one review that shares how bad the novel is, but says nothing about the story.

              Reveiws like that are just as bad as high reviews filled with emoji's.

              CacackleLasson I'm not even arguing, dude. You claimed that low ratings are more credible, informative and authentic. I am simply pointing out that they are not.

              I don't know why you seem to think I am defending 5 star reviews. I am not. I am simply pointing out that low ratings are just as worthless as 5 star reviews because they don't contain anything useful. More often than not, they are worse because they are filled with swearing and insults.

              Also, I don't approve of authors deleting reviews either, unless they are spams (like emoji spams). I have never claimed that the ranking system is good. I am merely debunking your point that low ratings are more legitimate, because they are often not. Unless you're telling me that stories deserve one stars simply because the main character is "bland." I am not so blind as to pretend that the popular stories deserve 5 stars. I think the 5 stars are just as BS. But at least they are not as harmful as reviews filled with swearing and insults.

              Just to clarify, when you say low ratings, are you actually including mid-ratings like 2.5-3.5 stars? Because those are the ones that actually provide a more comprehensive coverage in a review, including what you said about main characters (beyond the usual tired insults of him being beta, spineless, retarded, etc.), writing quality, story development, consistency and world building. Hell, a lot of the 4-star reviews (is that considered high?) do that too. I don't see you talking about them. In contrast, I rarely see a 1 star review (probably never) that actually covers all that. Most 1 star reviews, if not all, just read like a juvenile rant about how shitty the story or main character is (mostly because the writer didn't pander to what the reviewer wants to read).

              Just go look at the reviews for The Divine Wolf, or...?, for example. The low rating reviews are always infantile screaming about why Ark (the protagonist) trusts humans, is a spineless beta (because he trusted humans) or why he doesn't act more like a wolf and abandon his humanity totally (never mind the fact that he is a human reincarnated into a wolf's body). Are you telling me they are more credible than the high-rating reviews (usually 4-4.5 stars) Tyrone received, which actually detailed how consistent the story is, the world-building and how engaging the characters are? I think not.

              Or asaade_ragnarokm screaming about how the protagonist of a Naruto fanfiction is a spineless beta who grovels at people's feet, kisses people's asses and lick their shoes all because the guy spends two sentences praising a couple of characters he defeated in a previous chapter. Did he mention the writing quality, story development, consistency or world building? No. He just lost his s* over two insignificant sentences in just the second chapter and wrote a rage-fueled 1-star review calling the author trash. And then he attacked people for writing 5-star reviews. Seriously? Now I would normally say he had a point about the random 5-star reviews (there are a lot of "I love this story, please update!" that are not very useful to the readers but at least it's encouraging to the writer), but he was doing that to justify his insulting 1-star review. Is that what you're arguing for? Is that what you are claiming is more legitimate and credible? Just because he describes (insults) the main character in his review?

              The high and low ratings represent the extreme ends of both spectrums. Either it's just blind praise and adoration or it's rage-filled swearing and juvenile insults. Honestly, the most credible and legitimate reviews are the ones with mid ratings, not high or low.

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