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Avidfan jk...lol

Tomoyuki chill dude y r u getting into that sh*tty targeting circle again...u will target him...he will target u....nd then a new cliche wuxia novel cycle will begin... maybe eng.. is not his native language...y bother

FBI_OpEn_UP

Let's not go into real religion talks and racism. They are all wrong. Let's keep it civil lol.

Sythcake

Thanks for taking a swipe at me while commenting.

You join in the discussion halfway, quote us and make yourself the personal attacks of the discussion because for some unknown reasons, you sound like everyone is talking about you.

Everyone that reads this discussion is going to bow down to you for your delirium lol.

Relax little bro.

Tomoyuki And then you ignored that example and assumed that he was...making mistaken assumptions about the reviewer? Without clarifying or taking a look at the review in question yourself? Shouldn't you look in the mirror?

Then let me clarify, if the work is unreadable then stuff like stability of updates and whatnot shouldn’t even be taken into consideration.

Tomoyuki The irony is super-strong here.

Personally, I’d like to believe that unlike Avidfan’s gibberish, my arguments are pretty self explanatory but it seems like some people require me to hold their hand and explain everything word by word.

Tomoyuki Mirroring mine? I'm not the one who accused Avidfan of saying authors can't criticize other authors without making alternate accounts.

Because his original example was based on what seemed to be his assumptions. Never does he mentions any sort of fabrication.

Avidfan That guy forget to switch his char to fabricate to give only 1 star rating and only read 1 chapter

Later he added the comment above which I had understandable troubles in deciphering and only much later did I manage to connect the dots and figured out that the underhanded author fabricated facts in his 1 star review.

FBI_OpEn_UP Meh, screwing with people is more fun)

Sythcake Personally, I’d like to believe that unlike Avidfan’s gibberish, my arguments are pretty self explanatory but it seems like some people require me to hold their hand and explain everything word by word.

I had to break this to you, pal, but Avidfan's statements are less gibberish and more comprehensible than yours. I'm not saying your posts are complete nonsense, but you seem to be making the wrong sort of accusations or criticisms.

Also, I find it ironic that I did not have any trouble "deciphering" Avidfan's posts whatsoever, yet you seem to imply that I require you to hold my hand and explain everything word by word. Like I said, I think you ought to look in the mirror.

Sythcake Because his original example was based on what seemed to be his assumptions. Never does he mentions any sort of fabrication.

As was your accusation, which was based on your own set of assumptions. Not to mention, he literally gave an example of what 1-star reviews are mostly like, so unless your reading comprehension is inadequate, I am not sure why you failed to make the link between his explanation of why 1-star reviews are unfair and how he came to the conclusion regarding the author and the review. And here you are, claiming that other people require hand-holding and word-by-word explanations. Again, please look into the mirror.

But as the Reviewer says, it's best if I leave it here.

Tomoyuki Wow...

Let’s take this step by step.

First avidfan gives an example:

Avidfan I even saw Authors giving 1 star to others (trying to backstab a rival) but forget to login a new account and hence, ops, got tracked back.

My reply,

Sythcake So authors can’t criticize the works of other authors without making an alt account now?

My meaning was that his example is bs, because he couldn’t know that the author was out there to undermine competition instead of simply giving a low rating to a shitty book. I honestly thought that it was pretty obv.

(In between, we detracted into discussing about why 1 star reviews are unacceptable but this honestly had nothing to do with my original argument so I’ll just skip it here.)

So in reply Avidfan posts this

Avidfan You totally misunderstood. Of course they can. But authors are expected to be more professional. That guy forget to switch his char to fabricate to give only 1 star rating and only read 1 chapter. It is obvious that he is just trying to put down other authors for his own benefit.

And if this particular sentence “That guy forget to switch his char to fabricate to give only 1 star rating and only read 1 chapter.“ led you to realize that the underhanded author was fabricating facts about the story he was undermining in the review... then holy shit, kudos to you.

Sythcake Tomoyuki Why put words in Avidfan's mouth? He was only criticizing authors who tried to backstab others with low reviews. He never said that authors should be disallowed from criticizing other people.

Then why is he forcing his assumptions as the other party’s intentions? How can he be sure that the author wanted to be underhanded instead of simply criticizing a shitty piece of work.

Then you come in and I’m like ‘Wot?’

FBI_OpEn_UP Fun fact: you can't tightly hold your nose and breathe.

Please don't try it. Stunts like this are performed by expert individuals :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I myself can't laugh at this poor excuse of a joke, hence three laughing emojis :sweat:

coming to the topic at hand here, the review system has many flaws. but, this has been discussed many times. WN has never implemented any good changes to it to date. we can only hope it gets their attention one day and they implement something better

Tomoyuki Yeah thats an argument most of you might say here, but do you what experience I had with WN?

There are about 20+ five stars for every low rating, but the low rating often reflects the stuff that I was looking for in a review, usually the bland MC's, writing quality, story dev, consistency, world building. The high ratings dont often come across as legitimate if they only say the good parts, the same could be applied in vice versa. I even saw one novel where the story is 5.0, when I found out the author was deleting reviews, thus, why woukd I trust this 5.0 stars? Right now, the rating system is too fake that they are no longer legit, thus making the low ratings more legitimate.

CacackleLasson

In general, it seems impossible for someone to have five stars for a novel they right. I believe that there is no such thing as a "five-star rating" because everyone makes mistakes in a novel. Depending on whatever it is, there's always going to be that one person who doesn't like something in the story. Hence why that one person wouldn't give the person a five-star review.

As for one-star ratings... you should go to SwishDrip's discussion about it. She's basically asking for low rate reviews on popular novels, they usually point out the flaws of the story, at least the most like ones that is. Yeah, there's always gonna be that one review that shares how bad the novel is, but says nothing about the story.

Reveiws like that are just as bad as high reviews filled with emoji's.

This is not going anywhere. The simple reason is ratings are subjective - with malice or without. There's no such thing as a perfect rating system. Everyone has their own opinion. This had already been discussed many times and most of the times all fell into wasted trash talking and fighting. Worth your time my friends? How bout it giving me new chappies mate? Go write and make me happy. Mehehe. Hope you got the point, if not... Then, your on the right track towards a never-ending argument. PS: I judge novels by word of mouth and listening to experienced readers. The well read ones. Ratings are only a seasoning for pippin hot dish. And heck not everyone likes spicy, sweet, sour, bitter, and MSG.

@WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL (tagging you here only for the suggestions at the end)

I agree with CtrlAltKnight so much.

Ratings are all subjective, reviews are subjective. Good reviews don't make the novel good and bad reviews don't make the novel bad. If you're gonna pick or drop a novel purely because of the rating/reviews then I guess its your choice.
I prefer reading the synopsis and giving a few chapters a try, or just asking someone I know for recommendations, instead of relying on random reviews.

Is a novel automatically good if most of the people think its good? Nah. If the taste of majority is trash, doesn't mean the novel is good.
Relying on reviews to pick or drop a novel is not something I support. Give the novel a try on your own instead of arguing if good or bad reviews are more credible.
You want a reader to give you lots of input and rate for the different categories properly? Who are you even expecting the readers to be?

Yes, when someone gives a low rating, they tend to write in detail. Why? Because they don't want to be misunderstood as just being mean or trolls. That doesn't make it more credible, just a descriptive review.
When people like something, they usually just say something like this is great and everyone should read it. Very few people actually bother leaving lengthy good reviews.

In the end reviews are subjective. Stop expecting other readers to just give you a list of reasons to read or not.

I know the discussion here is that authors delete bad reviews and good reviews are usually just short and meaningless. The reviews are left by readers, don't blame the review system for that (except for the exp spamming, for that Webnovel should really limit the number of times you can leave a review like max. 4-5 or something. Cause what do you think is gonna happen if wn limits it to 1: exp spammers disappear? Nope. They'll just review novels they haven't even read and who knows how that'll ruin the ratings).
You want to make the reviews useful? Leave them. Read as many chapters as you want and leave them. That's how you change it.

As for the authors deleting them. Well I don't wish to take away their right to delete but I also wish there was some moderation for what they delete. Hiring moderators for every novel on here is not possible. So maybe just hiring them for more popular books, books that get on trending, books that are recommended is a good idea.

I've seen too many people complain about the review system. And I'm beginning to feel like there's constantly a debate but nothing is fixed each time. Webnovel I hope you make some changes. It might help.