There are a lot of things I like as a user during these long months with webnovel.com and most of them are mentioned prior here https://forum.webnovel.com/d/2828-spreading-positivity-thank-you-webnovel.
So I am not going to go over it again.

So what's wrong here.
In fact, there are a lot of good gains and benefits webnovel.com offers us, readers. But all these are undermined in the minds of readers due to the poor execution.

Coming to a relatively small community with fans supporting each other, webnovel.com could start friendly with all, but who knows what happened, they had an issue with WW. This itself has turned many people suspicious regardless who is in the wrong. (I encourage competition but taking over HJC when there are only 180 chap left makes you look bad..hmm. I want to see collaboration between Zen and you guys instead of this kind of competition and double translations which is waste of human effort. Something that can be used on various other popular novels in webnovel.com)

Now there are already haters, doubters and neutral side among the readers.
There you launched a nice site with amazing features. Absolutely great.
I am greatly attracted by the app which is extremely helpful and convenient. Heard translators get paid a certain amount per chapter - great for them especially translators who work on not so popular ones.

I believe the initial claim was like you are trying to find a way to make this work without pay-walling. I along with some others could see the future paywalls, a belief that got enforced with SS introduction.

That's the exact problem I have.

A feeling of gradual manipulation could be felt from this despite how pure your intentions are. It's like you guys have everything planned out but implement them layer by layer. (I don't believe ads are sustainable especially when you are investing in translators unlike WW and hopefully, you should know this as well not now but when you started. Unless you guys are.......)

You should not have increased chapter release to 14-21 per week then decrease to 7 as free and the rest as premium. (Even after considering patreon chapters, this could be controlled)
Like a story, there should be a progression. Imagine starting as 7-10 chap a week.................then you introduce this premium system where you can now get additional chapters with SS purchase. People will be grateful.
(Yayaya, I kind of understand it may be a move to get readers attention or help translators. Not saying hoarding is good, but controlling and instilling a sense of progression in reader's mind will be helpful for you.)

Why did you give out SS at a fairly high amount initially?
Then cut it short? Can't you think this is an annoying ideology? This is the exact problem.
Wrong psychology. It's like you are giving candies to a kid every day in bulk and then one day you just stop giving them and cut the amount short. And then one day you tell them you have to start paying for the delicious ones. Unknown to the kid, you have increased the price for the delicious ones to cover the free candies' cost as well. Slowly making them pay with bonus candies that go bad after some days as the reward, then slowing reducing the number of bonus candies as well. The kid will most likely cry and thinks you are bad. They may buy. They will buy if they have money. For how long?

After the kid stops as he/she grew up, they are no longer needed since a new young kid can take his place. This vicious cycle can continue. 'Good business strategy' from one point of view but something that will make one lose a customer's goodwill.

The PFF is great. Getting free chapters are nice. Better than I expected. But did the SS needed for Premium went up due to that?
I read in Qidian 101 by Volare http://volarenovels.com/qidian-101-cktalon-etvolare/
"Readers are charged 3-5 points for every 1,000 characters (1 point = 1/100 CNY or RMB) depending on your membership status. A typical chapter ranges from 2000 characters to 5000 characters, averaging around 3000. Roughly 70% goes to the author,"
So assuming 15 points (an average chap) which means .15 CNY an equivalent to 0.024USD. Numbers speak for itself.
SS is valued at 1 SS = .02 USD which makes a chapter with 8SS valued 0.16cents. Hmm. So complete paywall will make the chapters cheaper?

Yes, there is an inflation now with early users like me still having 1000+ SS (which is going down steadily), but don't you think people get scared by this. This will get normalized within 3 months. Very few people consider Bonus SS in this evaluation. As giving out Bonus SS is entirely up to the company. SS value is the purchase conversion rate. But on the bright side free people get free stuff as PFF, patreons get premium chapters at a lower monthly rate. Can't judge how successful this is now since the stat and data of a long time are needed. So we will figure out how well this works.

Why do companies give samples? They don't give full-fledged meal when they make sample tasting stall.
It could work better if you ANNOUNCE that there will be a promotional period of X months in which you get free to use and free chapters. Like how a businessman give away free stuff to get 25 million customers in 6 months (A customer acquisition rate only second to FB). But he told clearly that he will start charging after this certain period. This telling does make a difference in my opinion. Goodwill and loyalty.

Hell ya, loyalty is very very very important. I respect Amazon and it's business model so I could be biased lol.

The idea of providing something new leads to progression, but taking something away that you used to give will make people angry despite how justifiable you are. They may want to buy it like drug users who got addicted, but most people don't find novels as addictive as the money in their pocket. Especially webnovel.com attracted a load of new readers through their app and friend invite system which is commendable.

Complete pay-walling can lead to pirating. Premium system does not either make a normal reader pay. But a subscription or low pay rate will (Not gonna discuss that now).Of course one can argue that people who don't pay and whine against have no intention of paying and they just want to leech. Maybe it's true.
But some of them are teens that are growing up.

If you are able to influence them and make a good fanbase, they will spend later. They don't always stay students as time and world are progressing and aging day by day. So the PFF and premium system is not bad for new readers, but horrible for readers who stick around from the time when everything is free. But the haters will be replaced by new readers..Oh, time....

The lack of communication is horrible before. Most users from the west are sleeping when Chinese daytime comes. So you when you are up, many are sleeping. No proper answers. Come on why is there no FAQ like Neverfire made from you guys before. Seriously? So making FB moderators this week is a nice move.

I love free stuff, but I won't blame for pay-walling from the getgo (many might) but this idea of gradual transformation bugs a little.
On the bright side, there are a lot of free chapters still around. So readers including me should stop whining and enjoy while you can and pay if you can.

Hoping for better decisions and developments.
(Your end December announcement of Beyond the Language competition is seriously amazing. That's one hell of a competition.)
I honestly believe in you because WW failed me in regards to original English writers and that's what you always been doing in China. So show them how to make writers popular.

{Tell me if you find me wrong. I will shut up. Been less enthusiastic about even posting this (procrastinated 2 weeks).

Also tell me if any other readers felt the same}

    KingBiBiK Your end December announcement of Beyond the Language competition is seriously amazing. That's one hell of a competition.)

    I meant the RESULT announcement at end December of Beyond the Language was great. The winners looked great with great stories.
    (Yes, I am mocking and being sarcastic)

    Neverfire7 Thanks for telling. Any other emojis? Where do I find a list or something lol. I am dull using tech for the past years lol.
    B)

      looks like WW is fired up. They are going to implement VIP system.

        I agree, I know fully well that just ads would not work but they really and I mean really need to hire someone that knows how to plan properly because their execution is, well crap.

          Calm_Spirit I don't know what's going on with them.

          I can imagine a group who got asked to take up this project like you see in IRAS and the Superstars of Tomorrow AI idol arc.
          But comeon, their interaction is plain weak

            Calm_Spirit Even though they claim they try to improve, it's hardly visible.

            Just browsing through the novel reviews and found its still skewed. The star system completely has no credibility. Every novel including the trashiest trash has similar rating score.

            There are many fundamental problems that need taking care of.

            Beyond the Language competition....hahaha. Hopefully the selected ones are amassing chapters... Best case scenario.....

            For all who are trying to ask for a subscription, I believe it is better suited for Wuxiaworld.com than Qidian.
            Netflix has a huge customer base and they are burning money at this moment. They buy materials.
            Likewise, WW is rumored to buy translation rights from the publishing company and translates them. They then divide the income based on page views (or that's what I have heard). Their income is also heavily dependent on patreon. As they are a group of translators like a group of friends, a subscription model is very appropriate for them and we can expect a future Crunchyroll or Netflix style model from them. Also, they control the number of novels translating and prefer to choose quality ones.
            (Netflix is huge, while novel community is not so now)

            I also recently got a hint that they want to install in site Patreon like system instead of using an external site. So there is a high chance that we can see patreon model release and locked chapters in WW (similar to premium but with more tiers.) Also a currency that has no monetary value but promoting novels.
            So as a result of webnovel.com the competitive spirit has been ignited. Just they are really slow at it.

            As for webnovel.com where new novels are introduced and translated each week, this is tough. They have a huge novel base and catalog which costs ton more $$$ if the rumored $30-$40 pay per chap is true. Then the translators get a cut of the premium revenue as well? They are at the customer gathering period but they need money. Instead of a flat rate subscription method, they want to use popular novels earn money which can cover for the growing translation salary paid. (Assumptions from rumors).

            I want numbers. I want to know how big the reader base is. Based on the Promotion stone voting and app story downloads, I would like to assume there are about 20,000 or more active readers.
            But many more features are yet to come.
            Donations being one.
            VIP system.
            fill me up

              KingBiBiK I want numbers. I want to know how big the reader base is. Based on the Promotion stone voting and app story downloads, I would like to assume there are about 20,000 or more active readers.

              The android app store shows 1,000,000 downloads. and 25,000 reviews.
              App is one of the best things if not the best feature offered by webnovel.com.
              Which is phenomenal considering the app, just the app made this community known more. I am not sure about IOS side. And more and more people are joining every day. A growth which is noticeable from powers stone vote increase (even after considering more people lvl up and getting more stones than before).

              summoning @WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL @CKtalon

              Can you enlighten us with stats.

                KingBiBiK Don't think it can be publicly revealed (nor do I know the actual numbers) since the company is listed. However, it's pretty sizable.

                The official numbers that can be announced is according to China Literature's earnings report for FY2017 that was announced yesterday.
                "By December 31, 2017, we had built up a library of 124 titles on Webnovel, and attracted 6 million cumulative visitors."

                  Honestly i don't mind the premium chapters. But honestly think about it i know they're in this to make money. (Since that's what all companies are for us damn consumers who bitch and whine all the time) But honestly when some books just 3-4 months back we were getting 12-20 chapters a week for free. Then premium came in with only 1 free a day? (That's a big fuck you from qidian to us readers)

                  I won't pick a side i'd rather stay neutral. (Thankfully there is only 1-3 premium books i read daily) So my wallet isn't being under a constant roast to drain my cash. But at least you could've still kept it the same no? most books being 2 chapters/daily. And than premium gets 1-2 extra daily. That would cause a LOT LESS BITCHING from everyone. But I'm not a company manager or someone trying to make a living off this so my opinion and views are worthless :3

                  OT but similar. Even for non premium members would be more than happy to get 2 chapters free through monday>friday. Anything extra would have to be unlocked with SS.

                    CKtalon Usually the Chinese Qidian shows how many clicks each novel got right?

                    6 million cumulative visitors means 6 million unique visitors visited from the beginning from all platforms?

                      KingBiBiK You should not have increased chapter release to 14-21 per week then decrease to 7 as free and the rest as premium. (Even after considering patreon chapters, this could be controlled)
                      Like a story, there should be a progression. Imagine starting as 7-10 chap a week.................then you introduce this premium system where you can now get additional chapters with SS purchase. People will be grateful.

                      TearsOfRose That's the only problem I have. Even if it is marketing, it is not fun to see something you used to get free and easily go restricted.
                      They should have reduced the chapter first and slowly increase it with premium introduction.
                      Or they could announce "We are going to give you this many chaps during the first 6 months as a promotion." or something.

                      I don't mind premium or paywall, since I understand they want to earn money and I want authors earning as well.
                      But I do not support the rate the chapter is charged currently. So I can wait and binge later. So there is no reason for me to whine.
                      The premium for free is way better than the paywall all of us expected.

                      They want to sell chapters ? No Problem BUT make sure to give the readers a good quality translation.

                      Slapping premium price tag on shitty quality translation are dick move. This would make precedent that releasing half assed mtl to boost your chapter release speed are acceptable. When that happen the entire translation community would infected with speedy yet trashy translation.

                        It's been five years since i started reading chinese webnovels and honestly i was sick of the usual translation rate of 7 chaps per week of most of the novel on WW.

                        And when qidian(webnovel.com) came into the business and offered a translation rate of 25 chaps per week, i immediately became its loyal supporter. But like they say in novel ' A bucket of cold water' was poured on me when the translation rate was decreased.

                        So after 5 years i finally became sick of waiting for 24 hours for just 1 chapter which i have to unlock after watching a 30 sec ad, and now i have decided to learn chinese.... Hah solution to all problems, unlimited novels, no premium chapter sh*t, no worries about the translation rate or its quality.... And its not gonna take more than a year


                          It's been five years since i started reading chinese webnovels and honestly i was sick of the usual translation rate of 7 chaps per week of most of the novel on WW.

                          And when qidian(webnovel.com) came into the business and offered a translation rate of 25 chaps per week, i immediately became its loyal supporter. But like they say in novel ' A bucket of cold water' was poured on me when the translation rate was decreased.

                          So after 5 years i finally became sick of waiting for 24 hours for just 1 chapter which i have to unlock after watching a 30 sec ad, and now i have decided to learn chinese.... Hah solution to all problems, unlimited novels, no premium chapter sh*t, no worries about the translation rate or its quality.... And its not gonna take more than a year


                            KingBiBiK ..... I m screwed. At least i will have a few more chapters to read... I can only comfort myself like this.

                              profiterole

                              They told us that some translators and editors, are TRYING to improve every days in English ¯\ (◉‿◉)/¯

                              Qidian might offer scholarships to them one day ! Guys please do be patient in a few years, we will get some amazing translation !

                                KingBiBiK i waited 2 months for library of heavens path, 3 months for realse that witch, 4 months for bringing the nations husband home.... Look what i get, a bunch of premium chapters

                                  KingBiBiK Nice. I feel like everything you've said is pretty sound and fairly comprehensive; it certainly encompasses the upsides and downsides of the system as well as however I may have felt about it before. It's truly enlightening to get your perspective :)

                                    Threetimess

                                    Threetimess Qidian might offer scholarships to them one day ! Guys please do be patient in a few years, we will get some amazing translation !

                                    Why do I feel like this is sarcasm?....I

                                    profiterole profiterole
                                    It is understandable we readers complaining about the quality of translations. But it comes down to the translator himself and how he works. Some are naturally good at vocab and writing while others not so. This can be solved somewhat through editors but on a massive level - it is hard. How many projects can you monitor when there is like 130 titles in webnovel.com.

                                    Its like a triangle.
                                    You can get quality chapters at low release rate.
                                    You can higher release rate but the quality may take a toll.
                                    You can pay to get one of them properly. Quality or release rate.

                                    But if we are paying then, in our mind the quality should increase with release rate. That's what the money is for. More quality translators on a single novel can increase the rate but the payment required would be high for a novel. And not every translator is willing to do so.

                                    So finding a balance is the best.

                                    Threetimess Like you said they claim they are training translators. So hopefully things improve.
                                    Let's just hope after the training we get better quality translations at a higher release rate at a reasonable SS.

                                      TimThe22nd Thank you very much for sharing your opinion. Its motivating to know that my perspective is agreed and appreciated upon. Thanks again.

                                        KingBiBiK OR
                                        They could improve and enforce strict quality checks or standards from translators. Or they can develop a Professional writing and editing team who does editing the chapters for each translator on a salary basis.)
                                        Its like a triangle.

                                        It will cost more...I guess.

                                        Hiffume I am started losing interest in LoHP since the second arc was pendulum story. Same thing, same face slap. Its enjoyable but not as much compared to the amzingly written first arc. So when I missed nearly a week of translations premium happened. Now I am just waiting out until I get free time to restart.

                                        RtW looks huge now as I am waiting for free time. Heard its good and fantasy element(something I love) so I am going to wait on it since starting it will most likely get me addicted and I will mess up my sleep and work schedule.

                                        As for Bringing the nations husband home, its well written. But its frustrating. I could not stop my urge to go on a hulk rampage after reading 200 chapters. The MC and FMC need serious whacking. I could not take it anymore.(In a good way lol).

                                        So the premium novel I follow is The Strongest System haha. Not the best but its funnny.

                                        Now I feel like premium is an amazing de-addiction program for many. I still got 1200 SS so I can read a couple of premium titles like LoHP and RtW (If I finish the non-premium chap that is) when I have free time.

                                        KingBiBiK Well, 6500 points cost 10$ on the Chinese site (PayPal), while 600 stones (100 bonus included) cost 9.99$ on Webnovel (excluding PayPal's service charge). 1 point = 0.0016$ approximately, while 1 stone = 0.017$ approximately. The latest chapter of LoHP on Webnovel (chapter 635) costs 12 stones, while it costs 15 points on the Chinese site. It's 0.204$ on Webnovel as compared to 0.024$ on the Chinese site. We're being charged approximately 8 times more.

                                          Pizza So I was right.
                                          But your earlier post is confusing. Probably the wording is messed up or something

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