checkm8 MAM translations are already being done. They are just undergoing corrections and editing. Since it is a group working for QI, with proper communication channels, it's easier to understand the other party and give them time to work out any problems. It is exactly what WW did with HJC back when Zen was having trouble keeping releases consistent.

WW, on the other hand, is just not very friendly with QI (obviously). And since a group has been hired by QI to finish the translation of HJC, there's no reason to bow out of the race, especially when WW slows down its release speed when QI doesn't release chapters fast. Since both sides are bent on translating it to the end, I don't see how this affects readers. In fact, the competition gives rise to faster release speeds from both sides, benefiting readers.

The idea of poaching by the community is frowned upon since it can cause burn out to both translating parties, eventually causing both parties to drop the translation, causing harm to the readers, as mentioned by RWX himself.

In the current situation, that will not happen since QI is the one funding this 'war.' WW doesn't seem like it will bow out from the race either.

    CKtalon You completely ignored the fact that PATREON was ADVANCED READER CHAPTERS! Meanwhile, translators were still releasing a regular number of chapters every week for regular readers.

    Under QI's current implementation all novels under premium have been moved to 7 chapters per week.

    You all chose a very slanted example, not many people were shelling out $160 a month on patreon. Those are WAY OUTSIDE THE NORM! The numbers were more like $10-20 per month.

    $20 per month = 1250 SS

    1250 SS = ~104 chapters @ 12 SS per chapter.

    That's what was more typical.

    Yes, it is much cheaper for the RICH and well-off.

    Congratulations! You just saved them money.

        I leave it with this:

        Which company continually starts shit, creates issues within the community and seems more focused on fighting rather than innovation.

        That's usually the company that is the issue. As I said. TOXIC.

        It's no longer a company I'm willing to support No more purchases, no more traffic.

        But thanks for the chuckle about how the rich will be saving money now under the premium model!

        checkm8 Yes, most people are willing to pay $10-20, which is roughly how much it costs a book on Premium! It was all priced based on what users are willing to pay.

        QI is still releasing 7/week for free!

        People who began subscribing to Patreon chapters have to wait for the free chapters to catch up if they want to stop paying as well (perhaps not as long as QI's system), but that is where the monetization models change slightly. Remember, QI lowered the price from $100+ a book to $10-20 a book to give paying readers the treatment high-tier readers were paying.

            checkm8 checkm8, i've seen you in our discord chat before. good old days when we talked with billdoor about gun violence in the us. and how we were all surprised to find out your age (at least for me anyways).
            :wave:, hope you're doing well m8.
            it's no wonder you haven't been around often to see the discord page revamped by none other then @Millman97.
            i believe that what you said make a lot of sense, in their journey for profit, qi has made many enemies and spilled the blood of both translators/editors from their competitors, and readers.

            it's unfortunately that in my journey to look for entertainment, i stumbled here and met some very cool people.
            there's no helping it.

            here is what i Will say to you though, if qi didn't have a phenomenal group of translators, editors, and behind the scene supports from their employees, they would have made history a very long time ago with the amount of hate they have accumulated over the last few months from not only readers of their competitors, but also readers like you (who can no longer tolerate their greediness).

              Alright, let's do some numbers again to play with the logic.

              Cost of the SS is derived from buying ss at the current rates with the current bonus, find out which is the cheapest option yourself (... the option might surprise most.)

              Let's talk about the value/month. I've done up the table below to show what the average cost is/month based on what is shown on the screen. Note that some of these estimates are higher than normal (Trial Marriage Husband is 2/day rather than 16 or 2.3 chapters a day for example) so this is actually in favor of making QI look as bad as possible.

              The values look absolutely horrendous correct? Until you realize that I have a little something extra at the bottom. The free SS that makes everything significantly more palatable.

              Effectively it ensures that unless you are consistently unlucky over a whole month, you should be able to afford to read basically any one premium novel completely for free.

              Does any patreon afford this same level of "helpfulness"?

              More importantly, Patreon in general signifies the idea of "reading ahead". Remember that QI has reduced the number of "free" chapters, but NOT the absolute release rate, which means that I can do some very silly things with the numbers that are left over.

              For example, the distance between Immortal Mortal's last free chapter (760) to the current premium chapter is (955) is nearly 200 chapters. I don't have access to IM's rate, but let's assume that it's a pretty normal rate of say $5 for 1 extra chapter and the highest one is say... $100 for 40 chapters (which I think is a pretty big discount in it's own way....), if you're keeping up to date to the current stuff, effectively, you're reading ahead by a total of about 5 months in advance by this going rate and the distance between free and premium will grow until the novel ends.

              Is there a way to assign value to this "even further ahead" chapters?

              ... not my place to say. I was just curious and wanted to play with some numbers.

              tldr; at absolute minimum, Qidian allows you to read one Premium novel entirely for free and be up to date on that. Please inform me where Patreon allows that to happen

                Thormented Not sure if you are using USD for your currency.

                The price of 1SS = US$0.0153 - 0.0167

                So a cost/month should be closer to a 1/30th of that those numbers, which maxes out at $25 for Immortal Mortal.

                    CKtalon

                    Ah that was what looked weird to me. I forgot I was working in cents rather than dollars, so everything is actually about 1/100th of what I posted I believe. Probably need to double check some parts of the table too if I made that error....

                    Edit: Also, I was working directly off the lowest and highest in the get more section i.e

                    50/0.99= 50.50505051
                    (2500+750)/49.99=65.0130026

                    Edit2: hm... no that actually seems accurate now that i'm looking at it more. @_@; whatever. I'll come back and double check the numbers and everything in a little bit.

                        I'm reposting this here because it's pertinent. It's hilarious to expect premium for free to last much longer. Sure it gives QI some talking points at the moment.

                        I don't really expect Premium for Free to last for longer than another 3-6 months for most novels.

                        A. Qidian's primary concern is profit. Why would they continue giving it away? Premium for Free is just a temporary measure to get existing readers used to premium, as well as to allow QI to punt the dreaded 'Pay Wall' outcry from the translation scene, especially for novels with slow to intermediate release rates.

                        It will only last until the majority of bonus stones that users have accrued over the last 90 days completely expire. Once those pools are gone, poof no more Premium for Free chapters for most novels. After that, QI will be able to ensure most SS spent are actually paid for.

                        B. Another thing about Premium for Free. Novels with fast release rates, like Immortal Mortal for example. Let's say you as a reader just found the novel and read up to the Premium chapters. You get your 7 Premium for free chapters, and then decide to continue reading. You read 100 premium chapters (at a cost of about 1200 SS($20 currently). You then decide to wait for the next free chapter. How long will you have to wait? Answer: Over 14 weeks for Immortal Mortal to reach your current reading point. The point being, if you are a daily reader of novels, Premium for Free is just an illusion, it doesn't benefit you much at all.

                        Where this changes is for a new reader a year or two down the road. Why would Qidian continue giving away 365 chapters a year for premium novels? That just doesn't make sense for a company so focused on monetary gain.

                        C. Premium for Free also doesn't make sense long term if QI really expects translators to switch from a paid flat rate per chapter to a share of the premium spirit stone revenue.

                        D. The end goal for QI is to have an exact duplicate to how Qidian.com works. New novels will get a shorter and shorter amount of free chapters before they are put behind a pay-wall. And there is no doubt that a pay-wall is forthcoming.

                          CKtalon How many people were on Mystical Journey patreon page??? or for other novels you mentioned here. The comparison you gave is good but did you also notice that there were less than 10 total patrons for Mystical journey and <100(my guess) for others(I didn't check their patreon page since I never read those novels). Even if they are very popular 1000 would be the maximum number. SO are you trying to compare something which only 1% or less than 1% could afford with something which 100% have to afford and then saying it is little cheaper or most people can afford. They can't. And Do you think that out of all the patreons everyone was supporting at least 3 novels and with similar to the numbers you have given?

                          I don't say that there is need to completely remove premium but there is need to make some changes. There is a need to make changes to the premium system. Especially making it so that 1chap/day is unlocked for everyone even if you have already unlocked 10chaps already by paying. Which is the main problem why most are against premium because once you unlock chaps if you don't have ss you need to wait for for months before the novels catches up.

                              checkm8

                              A is nothing more than pure speculation. I refuse to talk about it because I could argue WW will definitely introduce some form of premium currency as well and there's no way to prove I'm wrong aside from their track record, which to me adds an element of subjective opinion into this. I will only speak about facts. Sorry.

                              B is absolutely the same thing as patreon. If you stop subscribing to patreon, You have to wait till they catch up, in the mean time you've already "reaped" the benefits of what you paid for, unless the implication is that paying for advance chapters isn't the actual logic of Patreon is being challenged. Which is 100% stupid, because the counter argument is what am I paying even $1/month for? There has to be tangible benefit, and the benefit lowers in value over time because that chapter that you paid for will literally become free in one month. Arguably there's the problem of needing to wait longer for Qidian to catch up with free chapters but you misunderstand something greatly, this does not lower the value of the chapters you paid for, in fact it increases the value because you're allowed to read an advance chapter... in your example, over 14 weeks in advance In other words, you are ahead of other people BY 14 weeks.

                              C is the same as A, speculation.

                              D is ALSO speculation.

                              Back to what I'm ACTUALLY here though though. I double checked the spreadsheet and it looks accurate unless there's some other way of getting SS that isn't mentioned. I did have some errors on the free SS stuff because I wanted to calculate free $/day but dropped the idea in the end, shrugs Serves me right for doing this and not paying full attention to it. The numbers should be accurate now though unless someone can source me lower prices for SS somehow. Although I'll say that remember I have put in the stipulation of following their chapter/week, which is woefully wrong for a lot of novels due to mass releases. (i.e expect the actual cost a reader to be paying to be less than what I overstated here on purpose.)

                                  checkm8

                                  No worries, your lack of tangible arguments is duly noted.

                                  ... No, I'm actually being serious. Bring up a tangible argument that doesn't rely on subjective opinions and is based on something that Qidian is actually doing rather than just hearsay or thoughts on what they "MUST" be doing despite having no backing beyond "Qidian is a business and will definitely hurt us".

                                      Thormented However, even though my points are speculation, I'm pretty confident on several of those points.

                                      It's also not pure speculation since we have an existing model to which we can compare; Qidian.com. It's become increasingly clear that is the future direction QI is choosing to pursue.

                                      I can say that confidently since they are:

                                      A. Not pursuing an Ad-based revenue model
                                      B. Choosing to eliminate patreon's for TL's instead of moving them in-house ala Wuxiaworld.

                                          Thormented You would have read that 13weeks in advance if there was no premium instead of 14 even without paying.

                                          And BTW patreon gave the advanced chaps but didn't make up those chaps out of the free chaps.

                                              Thormented Your math needs working :P

                                              50 SS = US$0.99
                                              1SS = US$0.99/50 = US$0.0198

                                              What you are calculating is what $1 is in SS.

                                              So for instance, your TMW number for stone/monthly is 280.
                                              Cost per month is 280/50 * 0.99 = $5.544

                                                  Thormented Your last point suggests that it is ok to hold on chaps and make them paid and then ask the readers to be happy that you're 5 or 10 months in advance from others. Thats funny

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