Tomoyuki absolutely. I'm very cautious about reading novels because anything related to sexual assault triggers me. One time i was reading a novel and in the very first chapter the female lead got raped by the male lead.. I was so disgusted that I dropped the novel immediately. And there's another one where the male lead humiliates the female lead and orders her to strip stark naked in front of him when there were not even lovers yet. I don't know how people write stories like this, it's so triggering and disgusting i swear.

    Nana_1928 Absolutely agree with you two on this. Sexual assault is very triggering and I believe it shouldn’t be glorified in writing, especially if it’s the male lead that’s the one doing the traumatizing.

    As for me, I cannot stand female leads that can’t think for themselves, or at the very least, grows up into a person that thinks for themselves. I love my strong men and women, but I also love when a character grows into the person they want to be :)

      grimreaper906

      Bad or lazy writing. Do I need to say more? Haha.

      Honestly, I think the thing that is killing me right now is the “genius” or “predictive” character. You know, the guy that knows everything that’s going to happen and makes the perfect counter plan. It’s best (by best I mean worst) when there are two or more of these characters fighting. Here is an example:

      “Muhahaha, I’m evil and I knew you would attack me, so I used a spell that made anyone who attacked me die!”

      “I’m the hero, and I knew you would use that spell, so I made your henchmen attack you while using an illusion spell to make you think that it was me attacking you!”

      “Well, I knew you would try to trick me, so I used a bigger illusion that made you think that I killed my henchmen when he is really right behind you!”

      “Ha! I knew you would do that too, so I put a lion behind me that is eating your henchmen!”

      “Exactly as I planned! My henchmen is a werewolf that eats lions!”

      “Perfect, since I predicted that, I poisoned the lion!”

      “That’s why I made an antidote that cures your specific poison, which I predicted even though there are millions of poisons that you could haves used!”

      “Checkmate, I made a better poison that can’t be detected and isn’t poison until you take an antidote for my other poison, it will kill your henchmen when you try to cure the other poison!”

      “Nooooo! How did you know to do that?”

      “I locked eyes with you two episodes ago and just realized it from your smile.”


      Hope you get the idea… it’s horrifying to read stuff like this. For some reason it seems popular with both heros and villains right now.

        Ceehillm

        While I agree with all of you, for the sake of asking, is it better when a female lead does the traumatizing? To me it seems like an awful subject either way. Maybe it hits different when the female can sexually assault some poor guy though? Just asking because of how you phrased your answer.

          SlaveOfTheLord this is kinda different. Those things authors do in their books that you don't like or that make u stop a book

            SlaveOfTheLord What makes you think I'm not already married? Why do you think I abhor harems and infidelity?

            When you find your significant other, you will discover that the last thing you want to do is to hurt her (or him). Trust me. Nothing destroys a relationship more than cheating on her (or him), or vice versa. And nothing is worse than finding out that she (or he) cheated on you. The emotional pain is...it just tears you apart from the inside.

              shadowdrake27 Trauma is still trauma, no matter who does it, male or female. Sorry, I should have phrased it better. If I were to read it, regardless of gender, the act of someone being put in that position would still garner feelings of disgust. You'd still feel off about reading something like that. Wouldn't you agree? People are still people. You treat them as actual humans, even in novel form. Let's be honest, people still include these types of scenes in novels because it sells. It works for them and it's what gets views. But I truly believe novels can be smutty, but still be consensual when doing so. What it all boils down to is whether you are skilled enough to write something that doesn't include sexual assault just for the sake of it.

                shadowdrake27 I think she means "especially if it's the male lead who does it, as opposed to the (male) antagonists/villains." Like, the guy who does it ends up being the one the female lead falls in love with, so they glorify the abuse or rape instead of presenting it as the vile act done only by criminals.

                  Man I won't even write the huge list I have, it's mainly 4 things.

                  1. Harem, ofc
                  2. Repitition and word padding. I just read a novel where the author uses the cliche 1-9 and other word padded terms and repeated the long list several times and each time he adds more useless info to it. The story was so freaking slow I couldnt bear it anymore.
                  3. Unoriginal and beyond lame settings. Copy and taste country. I can't with these authors.

                    shadowdrake27 Sexual assault either way is triggering and traumatizing, it doesn't matter whether it's a man or a woman doing it. But we're speaking about it in regards to men because if you look at the statistics in reality, the amount of women adult or underage being raped and sexually assaulted is significantly higher than men. And for them to be writing and glorifying such behavior is absolutely disgusting.

                      I hate when the author tries to justify the vile act the protagonist did. It just pushes me away. Like "pulling out the weeds so they don't come and bite me in the ass", after eliminating a whole clan 🙃

                        grimreaper906 I know, right? "I killed all four generations of this guy's family just because a bunch of idiots pissed me off." But hey, it's okay because it's revenge, or because he's ensuring that he prevents any of them from taking revenge on him and show that he's not easily bullied, to warn people that they'll suffer the same fate if they provoke him or some bs like that. Pretty sure it's gonna have the opposite effect, especially when other clans and other people continue to provoke him anyway, which renders the whole genocide thing pointless.

                        I think I have a problem tho 😂😂😂 it's a smut novel but too much smut makes me stop reading the book 😂😂😂

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                        Well well, the list is quite long but my top three are:
                        1. Sexual harassment, incest, or any work portraying an unhealthy relationship as a healthy one
                        2. Dumb side characters, no general character depth or development, villains with 30 IQ.
                        3. Unnecessary descriptions repeated all over the work to hit the min word count, some are very funny tbh...
                        The male lead descended from his horse and he was so beautifully handsome that all the world around him lost its color and everyone turned their heads towards him but he was uninterested blahblah he looked at the female lead and he took three steps in one and his soul-sucking-ocean-containing-night-blue eyes looked at her meaningfully and the world around him which had lost its color regained its beauty as he advanced towards her...so after three paragraphs the male lead could finally reach fl's side

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