China is just a very patriotic country, especially because of the past history of the country that just builds a strong sense of patriotism. I don't think it's a problem or racism-- authors are just reflecting the culture of their country.

Think common fantasy novels: how often do you find a diverse cast? For those billions of western stories influenced by European history/culture (and typically the big countries, like Britain, France, Germany, etc., not places like Turkey with different culture than the norm ((partially because half of it is in Asia))), the main cast is always primarily white/caucasian. And this makes sense-- they're set in a place with European culture, and in Europe that's just the general race. Do you call books like these racist because they feature a cast like that?

China is primarily the same, especially because it is just as culturally diverse like Europe, with 56 ethnicity groups, and like others mentioned above, these novels were originally written for a Chinese audience, and this is just generally what the Chinese like to read about. (plus, most of the time, if they do include a western character, they'll give him terrible generic names like John or Richard or Emily, and we don't want that to be a representative of the whole western culture.) Most Chinese authors barely have any knowledge/experience of what it's like overseas, so obviously, if their experience is limited to China, they're going to be the most comfortable writing a full cast of Chinese people and not include anyone else.

All in all, I feel like if a novel doesn't go out and degrade another ethnic group or race, then it can't be considered as racism. There's far more examples of racism in real life which should be more worried about than China's extreme case of patriotism. Really, it's not a problem of racism but rather diversity, and those two are very, very, different concepts.

    TheMDmaster11 They are extremely nationalistic. Unfortunately the level is close to how nationalistic imperial Japan and nazi Germany were. This is also how the communist party stays in power, if not people wouldn't want to share resources.

    TheMDmaster11 Not all CNs are racist. But EldridSmith makes a good point. Their nationalism could be considered extreme. I’ve watched a lot of Chinese movies. I’ve seen some where they gather together and bash the American/Foreignner. For example in Bruce lee movies, there’s at least two cases, where they threw off the American into the sea with a small boat, they all united and started cheering or when a Black guy and American guy acted like street thugs, but Bruce comes and kicks their ass lol. I see the same thing happen in CNs a lot for some reason.

    Yea pretty much
    I mean not all are a racist but alot of them are, the bad ones especially are really racist
    I get being proud of your country and all rhat stuff but man does china take it over the top. In most novels they make it seem like every country has some sort of vendetta against it. The racism is pretty bad and not justified. But its it's mostly only the bad ones that are racist. There are a few good ones that are subtly racist but you cam ignore them

    I feel like there is an organization or a group of people affecting TIER 2 CN web novels, making them radically more nationalistic, and it has to be either by education(hidden manipulation, affecting ideas of young people-I call this lightweight brainwash) or just bribing the writers.

    For example it's a common theme in Chinese web novels(many of the ones I've read anyway!) that western people are useless and Japanese are bloodthirsty/overly cruel.

    I'm thinking the intended effect is to strengthen some sort of political agenda but due to lack of interest I've stopped all investigation.

      yu_ba_bu_neng
      Don't know about the western people one, but the Japanese one I know. The reason for the Japanese hate is because Japan invaded China during WW2. Japan committed pretty much the worst war crimes of all of WW2 against China. Not even Germany and the camps compare to some of the things the Japanese did to the Chinese at the time. Then they never apologized for it after the war. So it isn't odd that China sees Japan as bloodthirsty when many people of that era and their children are still around and passing those sentiments down.

      As for the nationalistic pride. It's likely a combo of education, government control, and pride in their country. I'm sure organizations that censor novels and such effect it as well. The China Communist party (the only party really. They have a 1-party system when compared to the USA 2-party system) is less likely to shut things down that support the government and their party.

      lol, it reminds me of god and devil world and ultimate evolution...though for the past 5-6 years hasnt stopped me from reading them (former)... there have been country name changes example country a(low key) or country b, too me its just fiction..as long as the story remains interesting wont mind, that much... there is always a baddie and good guy... just depends on your point of view. but please dont drrrrrop good novels, my only complaint such as terror infinity or dark knight..its too much too bear to wait for translaations....(face plum) making me want to learn how too read chinese if this continues...kkkkk

      Theres at least one novel that has big racism and xenophobic problems God and Devil system, It bashes koreans, Indonesians, japonese and vietnamese. The protagonist does a tour of these countries and finds wronged chinese in all of them leading to bloodbaths while saying hes just avenging the wrongs , bashes chinese women who marry non chinese while finding lots of non chinese girlfriends for the protagonists. That the author has a lot of issues is plenty obvious. The author has something of China is supreme complex too.

        well racism i dont know. but what i find interessting, is the level of looking down on people... seriously it feels like looking down on others for the stupiest reasons is kinda of a people sports in china.... this you find in truly nearly ALL cn ln.

        "I have a Mansion in the Post-apocalyptic World" is another example of extreme nationalism to the point of racism. The MC goes to Europe to catch refugees to make them into easy labor slaves. Explains it as helping them because if he didn't enslave them, they would just be sitting around doing nothing. Other Asian country's like the Philippines are described as being the bad guys that bully the Chinese. The MC even describes them as being yellow skinned monkeys. The bad racism isn't even what turned me away from the novel. It was the typical Chinese MC that thinks he can make people obedient by raping them. Don't want to work for me? Lets see you say that after I butt rape you. That's literally what happens. But don't worry, it's later revealed that the girl has mental problems and the MC promises to help her in the future so shes okay with him raping her . /s

          No but I'm really a superstar has a racist tag on it to let the people know before they read I've read about 3 books like that and I've read over 300. Most of then have high patriotism but not racist I'm really a superstar deliberately made it that way for comedy purpose(hurtful or not) and for there to be a rival relationship between countries.

            I totally agree with you. There are some really popular stories here and in mainland China that’s very very racist though author tries to down play it as nationalism. Pfft, I’m not some dumb high school drop out. I finished school and got my degree, okay? I know when a comment or story has racism. I’ve come across so many of them on webnovel that sometime I question China as a whole.

            But back to the point. A story that I strongly recommend is ‘Superstars of Tomorrow’. It’s well written and it’s not repeating crab over and over and over again just to meet word count like so many other stories do. Although the synopsis isn’t too great and doesn’t really explain the story all too well, I think you’ll enjoy it. Especially look forward to later chapters where there’s some awesome action scene.

            Tell me how it goes for you. I had a fun time with this story so it’s one of my favorites on webnovel.

            yaoyueyi

            It's actually called racism itself. There is always, and always will be, until it is resolved, the struggle for everyone to have so much in art, music, literature, cinema, theater, so many other things and professions that blacks, asians, Indians, gays, among has active participation. I'm not just talking about world scenarios, because if I write a novel that despises other cultures and races this is prejudice and this is wrong.

            Everyone cites the United States, but when there is prejudice with other races in their films or a decline in ethnicity, there is always international debate and a quest for change. The Chinese novels and this so-called "patriotism" is nothing more than racism and resentment in disguise.

            Everyone forgets that there are blacks, whites, Indians and other races and cultures in China that are despised by the Chinese.

            Racism is a crime and it is wrong, either here in Brazil, or in the United States or China. It is not because it disguises itself as patriotism that is no longer wrong.

            It's going to be like his writing a novel that exalted Brazil and denigrated the Chinese, Japanese, Americans ... soon Brazil has a large community of Sino-Brazilian and Japanese. But that would be "patriotism"!

            I will not lie and say that I do not understand the resentment of the Chinese about the Second World War, to be hounded in that way was very cruel, but if that were the case Greece and the other countries that were devastated by the Second World War would denigrate Germany and Italy !

            Brazil would start producing books about all the colonizers who stepped on and explored Brazil, denigrating them all, after all they were exploiters!

            My point is: Yes the Chinese are racist, but many countries are racist and disguise this as "patriotism".

            I read novels a long time ago and I know that, I often ignore this racist world fndo, if the character is captivating, but there is a romance that I can not read, especially when they portray war between the other countries and how they are crushed and killed, for just be of other ethnicities. It does not matter if the MC is the lord or mistress of justice in that world, to destroy other ethnicities or to massacre minorities, can not and should not be justified as patriotism.

              WOLFFOREVER Its getting to the end 1276 and its over. It has a good pacing but Im kinda of glad It will be over. He also got so may harem menbers that its a good thing he can vlone himself at will. One of his gazillion powers.

              never really cared about it in my 8 years experience in reading online... but recently i read a novel where the author called the past president of my country as obcene and portrayed our people as corrupt and brainless...

              the author is somewhat right about the president thing in my opinion but it hurt nonetheless,,, cant stop reading the novel still though

                me following almost 100 novels in WN, novels that indeed racist only IRAS, god and devil and strongest abandon son, others not so much, beside as long the story is good, who cares ? in strongest abandon son, the MC even invade my country and counquer one of the island only in 3 paragraphs, not even a chapter, but so what ? just a fiction

                Take_the_Moon sorry for late reply; my notifications are flooded with cover requests so I didn't see the notification to see that you replied!

                Anyways, would just like to clarify that I was only addressing what the original thread owner said about the majority of characters being Chinese.

                TheMDmaster11 most of the times I read a Chinese novel i notice most of the time the whole world is filled with nothing but Chinese people (mostly cultivation novels)

                I was simply saying that the diversity couldn't be considered as racism, but if a novel degrades or puts another ethnicity/race under discrimination, then it can be considered as racism.

                yaoyueyi All in all, I feel like if a novel doesn't go out and degrade another ethnic group or race, then it can't be considered as racism.

                Pretty sure my point was lost here with you, so I felt the need to clarify. I never supported racism in any way, shape, or form in my post and was only merely saying that the lack of diversity couldn't be considered as racism. I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with your reply either-- perhaps telling me that patriotism was racism?

                Well then, I would like to acknowledge my fault in the matter that I defended China in saying that their patriotism was not racism, mostly for my lack of research. I typically only read historical novels with fluffy romances so I don't witness much of their patriotism going overboard. The only way I see Chinese patriotism in media is mostly from celebrities endorsing China and articles referring to China as the number one in research and whatnot, so that was about how limited my viewpoint was. That was why I believed that China's patriotism wasn't an issue, but now that you've (and others in the thread) have pointed out what happens in novels (that I have not read), I can see that it is an actual issue. So, my fault in that. I take back my words.

                  yaoyueyi
                  No problem, I'm also sorry for the response, which was very emotional, although it's right, but the way I put it was a bit too far from the conversation that was happening.

                  Here in Brazil are the elections, one of the candidates for the second round of elections is a racist, oppressive white man, hates homosexuals, hates women, does not believe that women suffer gender inequality, among other things.

                  Then when I saw your post about patriotism, which is actually disguised racism, I thought one day Brazil would reach that level, especially if that candidate is elected.

                  That is why I have escaped the scope of argumentation and become emotional.

                  So sorry.

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