Wow, what a journey through replies. I think the OP should add the Diss tag here, seem appropriate. I can only say, the top 20 doesn't concern me at all. Besides, people vote and those are the results. It's like you saying, "Kill a few females so that less of them vote" or something. A lot of guys on this website are lurkers, and don't vote at all.

Some people just gave up on exp and whatever, because they don't need it. They simply enjoy their novels in peace. While I would guess the females stay more active, and therefore you see those results? I mean I don't know, but I know a few guys who just lurk behind the scenes, and read without worrying about ranks, stones, comments or reviews. Wake those guys up, and maybe more male lead novels would be at the top.

Tomoyuki wow such long essay

Actually i don't have problem about male/female lead novel as long the storyline not that generic. You say that male lead novel is to generic?yes mybe. The real problem is nowday female lead novel is MORE GENERIC THAN THE MALE LEAD ONE, MORE GENERIC THAN EVER. And they all in TOP 20~30 POWER RANGKING!!!. I not complain because the female MC, what i complain is that they don't deserve that position in the power ranking, because story' wise they don't worth it.

Most is just revolving around a bastardized Ceo who rape a random narrow minded female wich hapen to be MC, dump em, regret that, sudenly change 180 degre, and THE FEMALE MC DUMBLY BELIEVE THAT PIECE OF SHIT CEO IS CHANGE, AND FORGIVE THAT PIECE OF SHIT WHO RAPE THEM, AND FALL IN LOVE WITH THE RAPIST CEO, WTF. And why the female MC forgive them you ask? 10/10 its because the so called CEO is handsome-have hot body-big dicked-last long in bed-deep pocket male human being, thats it. No matter how Bastard they are, doesn't mater how many time they cheat, the female lead WILL always forgive them.

You can change the CEO with another ocupation or whatever, but the rest of the plot ia always the same:

Male rape/forced their love to the female mc>female mc reluctantly accept it>male cheat>male remember how female mc is better>male change>male beg forgiveness>female forgive them>then repeat to part that male cheat part again till the female forgiveness part.

The other type of female novel is about:
"I am woman and i am stronk, male will not born from my wmb, i don't need a puny male cause i am independent, Oh but i still need a dck tho, thats why we create yaoi shit"

And you say that you hate rape in male lead novel while adore that in female lead novel one. While spouting the nonsense about "rape is bad, i hate rape, i love female, i am at their side, i hate other male while i mayself is a male". Wawaweewa, what a double standard view you have.

      Madevils Bro... just don't read them then. I don't understand. Move on to something else that you do like. Fuckin' crybabies...

          Madevils I not complain because the female MC, what i complain is that they don't deserve that position in the power ranking, because story' wise they don't worth it.

          Your reasoning error is that you think popularity is an indication of quality. Well, it's not. Sure, a novel can become popular because it has the best quality, but quality is not always the cause of popularity.

          The power ranking is NOT a ranking based on a story's quality. It is a popularity ranking and is based on how many power stones a novel gets. And apparently, many Many MANY readers have voted for the generic female-lead novels of which stories you think are not worth it and undeserving to be up there.

          Well, unfortunately for you, it's not for you, nor is it for a handful of other readers who feel the same way as you do, to decide.

          So, unless you can gather more readers that would vote for the male-oriented novels, I'm afraid you're just banging your head against a brick wall, my friend.

              Lilliny well sorry if you take my rant as me being crybaby. Your understanding skill is not to good i see. But thats doesn't mater, every mankind is always have some flaw at them. unlike the other, i try to understand as much as i can about different genre. That include the type of novel that i said above. that proses require me to read that type of novel even if i don't like them and not just ignore them like what simple human being like you do.
              What i find is that the type of novel above is not worth (at least for me), yet the people(most of them is female, and some pu-sy male) still support it while use double standart (about rape is bad, but bad male is more attractive than nice male,etc)
              Its bothering me.

              And when the other male say about what they want about novel, they treated as egoist, mysoginies, as beast and being punished by both side. Trully bothering me.

                  Madevils Ranting is another word for crying. The only difference is in authority. You have none. I'm sick of you people trying to turn your muddy word-choice into my problem.
                  I understand what you're saying completely. You're mad that girls are at the top. But there's nothing you can do? So why are you still here? Ah, because you're crying. Screeching into the void for your bottle. Too bad. Looks like you shit yourself too.
                  You're desperately trying to change the conversation into US (idk who you mean by that but lol) having some sort of double standard about MF vs MM relationships. All I'm saying is if you don't like it, just don't read it. Support something else. Your complaining isn't doing anything. Instead... why not write that story? Scratch that itch? Turn your negative energy into a positive one?
                  Write your perfect story dood. Then sit back, and read it.

                      Cantiara nice point

                      Yes popularities ia not always equal quality, thank you for reminding me about that.

                      No, its not that we try to decided for the other about what is they must read. I just as helpless as the other about that. From that helplesness rise a frustation. But since There nothing can change that then all we can do is rant, for our self.

                      That why i and the other rant at the forum. Then the other "intelegent and morally high people" start think that we try to force our own view at them, we just want to rant for sake of god, so that not be one demon at our heart. No need to refute that with your counter argument that as BS as our rant.

                      And they try to condemned us for what we said without see the content, what a funny move.

                          Lilliny Actually
                          rant
                          /rant/
                          verb
                          verb: rant; 3rd person present: rants; past tense: ranted; past participle: ranted; gerund or present participle: ranting
                          speak or shout at length in an angry, impassioned way.
                          "she was still ranting on about the unfairness of it all"

                          So nope, it's not another word for crying. Just making this clear.

                              Lilliny wow another great "counter argument", i appreciate it

                              Its weeping that the other word for crying good sir, not ranting. You are have quite knowledge at that subjet right? Or your degree at writing mean nothing?

                              Ah, so you sick at the other people opinion wich is different than you? don't want to listen to it? But on the other hand you say the other is selfish eh? Somebody need to look at the mirror real quick.

                              Well, its not your problem sir. nobody blame you for not give a shit about my rant (you seem not like the word "us" so i will not use that anymore). Its start to be your problem when you start pick it out of no where and beat it with your intelegent counter argument.

                              I am not mad at anyone, i don't even mad at you and the other who make "counter argument" to my rant.
                              So you twisted the meaning from rant of mine to fit your own view? And start demonizing me by say that i mad at bunch of girls who i don't event know who? why not apply a job as lawyer sir?they will hire you with high price.

                              No, i don't care whoever at top. I not have authority to change that?true, not my problem tho. Don't make that as your problem to, it will make you tired for nothing.

                              Yes, my rant will do nothing. Your argument will also doing nothing to. Well, at least your argument make me realise that there is someone as "intelegent" as you at the world. Your argument meaning a thing then.

                                  Madevils ...are you confusing me with someone else? WTF? When did I ever say I adore rape in female lead novels? I even said I hate and don't read CEO stories. I just couldn't care less who votes for what, and which is more popular, because I believe everyone has a right to like whatever they like. What I take issue with is when people start overreacting and persecuting other readers and the genres they like, and their self-centeredness. "Female novels are invading our website (even though it was never your site to begin with)!! WE MUST DRIVE THEM OUT! RAWR!" Seriously? You approve of this kind of behavior? Imagine if it's the other way around, and female readers are demanding that male readers leave the site. Wouldn't you be upset too?

                                  Also, I never said male lead novels are more cliche than female novels. Wtf, dude? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Ancient_Devil and The10thCrow are claiming that male novels are disappearing because everyone only wants to translate female novels. I called them both out on their lies by pointing out that there are tons of male novels still being translated, and how they remain popular. When did I ever claim they are more cliche than female novels? Why are you lying, bro?

                                      Madevils BRO WHAT DID YOU JUST TYPE. I ACTUALLY CANNOT UNDERSTAND IT. I REFUSE TO PULL OUT A ROSETTA STONE. PLEASE PING ME WHEN IT BECOMES READABLE.

                                      DarkRay
                                      Let me make fun of these people in peace... I know that arguing isn't actually crying. But in this context.. he's just whining. So I was having some fun with that because I'm bored.
                                      There's nothing we can all do, there's nothing he can do. So what's the point of coming in here and adding nothing to the conversation. Just open a word document and rage type there. Or better yet, ignore the dumb girly novels and move on with your life. In a few years, they'll end (or not its a Webnovel), or they'll be replaced with something else.

                                      I dunno it just bothers me that someone is just so happy to stew in their own misery. And then they 'justify,' that because they can't do anything it's ok to flood the forums with complaints. Is this comradery? There's a way of doing this without making it sound like the girly books should be somewhere else because they're girly and I don't want to look at them. Coming together to hate something is never good. I guess that's the reason why others keep arguing. Man's acting like the male leads don't have their own issues.

                                            DarkRay You think if you hadn't pointed it out he would've noticed thooooo :thinking:

                                                DarkRay Actually
                                                Cry
                                                /krī/
                                                verb
                                                gerund or present participle: crying
                                                2.
                                                shout or scream, typically to express fear, pain, anger, or grief.
                                                Similar:
                                                whine
                                                say something loudly in an excited or anguished tone of voice.

                                                And your definition of rant includes

                                                DarkRay speak or shout at length in an angry, impassioned way.

                                                So yes, rant can be used as a synonym for cry. Just making this clear.

                                                      Tomoyuki I'm sorry, I must've missed it in the list of synonyms

                                                      Oh wait, I haven't.

                                                          DarkRay So you are ignoring the definition of cry as "shouting to express fear, pain, anger or grief" and the definition of rant as "shouting in an angry, impassioned way" because the dictionary didn't think to include it in Similar?

                                                          Like, seriously?

                                                          By the way, I see "shout, yell, roar, bellow" as Similar for rant. And guess what?
                                                          Cry
                                                          /krī/
                                                          verb
                                                          gerund or present participle: crying
                                                          2.
                                                          shout or scream, typically to express fear, pain, anger, or grief.
                                                          Similar:
                                                          shout
                                                          yell
                                                          shriek
                                                          scream
                                                          bellow
                                                          roar
                                                          holler

                                                          Funny that both cry and rant can be synonyms for "shout", "yell", "roar", "bellow", etc., but they cannot be synonyms for each other? I'm sorry, but are you...dense or just really, really inflexible?

                                                              Tomoyuki No, what I'm ignoring is your cherry-picking. Which you are obviously doing. You are simply highlighting certain words from an explanation. This:

                                                              Tomoyuki shout or scream, typically to express fear, pain, anger, or grief.

                                                              Is not the same as this:

                                                              Tomoyuki speak or shout at length in an angry, impassioned way.

                                                              Read the sentence, not th words that fit your argument. I also showed you a list of synonyms, and I can do the same for the word cry. I mean, a blind person would be able to see that. But my guess is, you will not agree, and continue down the path of self righteousness. Your choice in the end.

                                                                      DarkRay Let me get this straight. You agree that rant is a synonym for shout, yell, bellow and roar, right?

                                                                      Cry is also a synonym for shout, yell, bellow and roar, right?

                                                                      But for some reason they are not synonyms for each other? Okay. I don't see the logic in that, but whatever. I literally copied and pasted the list of synonyms for cry, but for some reason you seem to ignore it. Funny, from the guy who accused me of cherry-picking. Yeah, you accused me of cherry-picking, and then blatantly admitted to ignoring parts of my definition and my list of synonyms for cry. Should I call you out on your hypocrisy then? I'm going down the path of self righteousness? If I recall, you're the one who started the whole definition thing to correct Lilliny. All I did was play the game by your rules. Perhaps you should go look in a mirror.

                                                                          Tomoyuki That is because you cherry picked. Those words are not synonyms, because they mean different thing. They may have common synonyms, but not each other. You quote a list of common synonyms, but never showed me either of those words containing the other as a synonym... Don't you wonder why? I mean, isn't that like blatant evidence? Again, you may continue this path, claim "I don't get it", "let me make this straight" and so on. But I showed you pretty much everything you need to know. Besides, you are not arguing with me, you are basically arguing with a dictionary, which is hilarious.

                                                                              DarkRay You know what, you win. I'm not going to argue. It's obvious what Lilliny meant when she used "crying" as "whining" in the context of her post, but if you want to nitpick for the sake of it, then all the more power to you. I'm not going to bother.

                                                                                  Tomoyuki I mean, dude seriously. I never argued with you, I just showed you a list of synonyms and definition. You were arguing with a dictionary. I also posted that as "technically, that's not correct", and I don't see lilliny arguing about it. It's you who went into full mode "I have to prove this guy wrong!". I mean, yea. Go argue with the dictionary, I have nothing against. Have fun I guess. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

                                                                                      DarkRay The dictionary actually agrees with me. It's you who's being inflexible in interpreting and reading a dictionary. I'm guessing you're not a humanities or liberal arts major.

                                                                                      But you are right, it's pointless to argue over this.

                                                                                      That said, I also posted that as "technically, that's correct" and you are the one who went into full mode "I have to prove this guy wrong! If it's not on the list of synonyms, I don't care how similar the definitions are or that they have common synonyms, they are not synonyms with each other!"

                                                                                          Tomoyuki Of course Mr. Major in Humanities and Liberal Arts. Whatever you say Mr. Major in Humanities and Liberal Arts.

                                                                                              No, keep going. I'm close. :popcorn:

                                                                                                Tomoyuki this...

                                                                                                You didn't say it, i am the one who adrresed your bias when discusing so caled "rape". You don't bother to talk about it on female novel nowdays, and go as far to say that you dont read those type of novel at female lead. You only picking & attacking "rpe" subject at male lead novel. We can argue about it later.
                                                                                                You are clearly the one that over reacting, you just don't admint itu dont'cha cause on your mind you are the RIGHT one and the other is WRONG.
                                                                                                "Everyone hasil right to like whatever they like" then why you force the other to like or accept your view about male or female lead thing on the first place?and don't accept other? Oh i see..., because you are RIGHT right...

                                                                                                    Madevils I'm not sure I understand? So...care to explain why you put words in my mouth and lied about what I said?

                                                                                                        Tomoyuki who put lie on your mouth Mr sensitive? Care to explain wich part you considered i put at your mouth, it is long big and lenghty one?

                                                                                                            Lilliny eh, done already, hmm you dont last long..., Its bit disapointing from my side

                                                                                                                Madevils What in the bloody f?

                                                                                                                I never mentioned rape at all in this thread, whether it's in male lead novel or female lead novel? Please go ahead and quote me, because I went through my posts here and not once did I find a single mention of rape?!

                                                                                                                And what exactly is my view about male or female lead? You seem to be confused. I do NOT care about male or female leads. I'm just pissed off by a bunch of misogynistic dudes running around claiming that male lead novels will disappear, the site is being invaded, that we should drive female readers out of the site just because a few female lead novels made it to the top rankings. I am saying that we should have BOTH male and female lead stories, not go around screaming about how your fragile male ego gets threatened when you start seeing female lead novels appear in the top rankings that were previously dominated by male lead novels.

                                                                                                                I have talked in other threads about how I absolutely ABHOR rape and CEO novels, how it made me sick, and why that is one of the reasons why I will never touch those CEO novels with a ten foot pole, and you come here claiming that I only pick and attack rape subject at male lead novels while I adore rape in female lead novels. But I have never said anything about rape in male lead novels before. You, my friend, are a blatant liar.

                                                                                                                Stop lying and stop putting words in my mouth. And it makes me laugh when you accuse me of thinking I'm right and everyone else is wrong, especially when you are the one lying and putting words in my mouth.

                                                                                                                    Lilliny
                                                                                                                    Ah, i see you choose to playing dumb and not try to understand....

                                                                                                                    You will make a good lawyer sir

                                                                                                                        Madevils Stop slandering, Mr. Liar. Go ahead and explain or quote where I said I adored rape in CEO or female lead novels. Go and quote me on attacking rape only in male lead novels.

                                                                                                                        Because I did not.

                                                                                                                        And I never forced anyone to accept my view about male or female lead BECAUSE I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE GENDERS OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS. I am criticizing these guys for LYING about how male lead novels are disappearing just because a bunch of female lead novels appear in top rankings. THAT'S ALL. So there you have it, you LIED AGAIN.

                                                                                                                        If you're going to keep lying, I'm just gonna block you and ignore you from now on.

                                                                                                                            Madevils
                                                                                                                            No, I was trying to be nice, by letting you go back up there and fix whatever the fuck you just wrote. But ya know what, since you're too stupid to understand when someone is being charitable I'm just gonna respond to the best of my ability because... your English is not very clear.
                                                                                                                            I am not 'sick' at differing opinions. I am sick of idiots with shit English trying to argue when they cant even under-fucking-stand what I'm saying. And then, when I ask for them to go back and actually edit the garbage they wrote, they assume they (you) won. How are we supposed to have a conversation if I literally have to read what you wrote three or four times? And I'm still confused after?

                                                                                                                            But fuck you; you screeching banshee.

                                                                                                                            This is my problem because I use this website. I like how things are, and there is no real need for... whatever it is you're advocating for. Do you even know anymore, or are you just antagonistic at heart? Be honest.

                                                                                                                            I never twisted your words. The words you use are just that confusing. It's gobbledygook. Its scrambled eggs for the eyes. It's a mish-mash of words that, in the end, don't mean anything. You're mad that the plots are bad and unhealthy. Damn dude, guess you could just put the book down. You don't like that the characters suck? Damn dude, guess you could just put the book down.

                                                                                                                            Webnovel is trying to make money. If that garbage is what's popular, they're going to promote it to make some money. If the quality is that low, hopefully, a new wave of authors write something that's less shit. But crying, and just crying, does nothing.

                                                                                                                            If you don't care who's at the top, then why are you here? In this thread? Right now?
                                                                                                                            If you know that whining about who's at the top won't change anything, then why are you here, in this thread, right now?

                                                                                                                                Lilliny To be fair, I don't think Madevils is a native speaker. He couldn't even understand a word of my post and completely bungled the meaning. Not once did I mention rape, and he went off attacking me for adoring rape in CEO novels...even though I declared how much I hate and condemned that in other threads (Yue Yi can back me up here).

                                                                                                                                Also, he completely misunderstood my reply to Ancient Devil as attacking male lead novels when all I did was point out that they are still being published, which was completely opposite of his claim that "no translator will pick up any novels except romance ones." Yeah, clearly not a native speaker, or someone whose English is not exactly good.

                                                                                                                                You know what's the best thing?

                                                                                                                                Madevils You are clearly the one that over reacting, you just don't admint itu dont'cha cause on your mind you are the RIGHT one and the other is WRONG.

                                                                                                                                And I'm still waiting for him to provide the quotes that I said what he claimed I said. Funny he fell completely silent after that. Probably because he couldn't find any quotes of me actually saying that at all. But of course, he's not going to admit that he's wrong, and because he'll look like a complete fool if he insists that he's still right, he decides to keep quiet for now. And wisely so. We'll see if he does show up with an apology admitting that he was wrong, or if he proves to be a hypocrite of the highest order. Or neither.

                                                                                                                                      Tomoyuki
                                                                                                                                      "I'm just pissed off by a bunch of misogynistic dudes running around claiming that male lead novels will disappear"

                                                                                                                                      Wow....
                                                                                                                                      Well
                                                                                                                                      Ok then, On the beginning when you start calling the other at male female novel thing, wich i replied about addresing most female novel with the "r" thing.
                                                                                                                                      Then the problem start in the last paragfaph right?, while i assume you to not ok with male lead "r" and i assume that its ok for you while in female lead thing(since you keep saying all the mysoginist thing and try to tell how other man is narrow minded is, i cant help but assume). So i who bring the"r"thing. I not shove it to you nor lie about it, basicly i try to ask "so u are ok with only devending 1 side(female mc with most "r" novel) while bashing the othe male (male MC)?, Then that meaning you okay while "r" hapen on the female lead, but not on the male lead one?"

                                                                                                                                          Ok, then i am not native speaker, not like you all who born and learn English since begining.

                                                                                                                                          if thats make you feel more smarter and better than me then ok, i accept it.

                                                                                                                                          Try to kick me down? Ok alright, if thats make you feel better than the rest of the man than you can do it.

                                                                                                                                          But i am who ganged up and kicked by both side ia aparently the villain and the two who kick me down ia the Hero?
                                                                                                                                          Hmm....

                                                                                                                                            Madevils So where did I say anything about rape? WHERE IS THE WORD RAPE EVEN MENTIONED!?

                                                                                                                                            So you ASSUMED, didn't you?! Where the fuck did I ever mentioned I'm okay with rape in female lead?! WHERE THE FUCK DID I EVER SAY I'M ALL RIGHT WITH RAPE IN ANY FORM OR STORY!? WHERE THE FUCK DID I EVER MENTIONED RAPE IN THE FIRST GODDAMNED PLACE?!

                                                                                                                                            You ASSUMED wrongly, went off putting words in my mouth. Did you read the comments that Ancient Devil and The10thCrow were making? Tell me, did you read what they wrote?

                                                                                                                                            The10thCrow#235795 the original ranking has been invaded in a matter of days two I repeat two female oriented books reached the top 10. Time's running out!

                                                                                                                                            The10thCrow#235795 Since the inception of this site/app the originals ranking has been majority male oriented novels. But times have change I observed that in the past few months the male oriented books and their counterparts have been in a constant tie until today that is. MY FEARS HAVE BEEN REALIZED WE LOST! AS OF NOW THEIR IS ONLY 4 MALE ORIENTED BOOKS IN THE TOP 10. Thats right we are officially out numbered now its a matter of time before Webnovel turns to a stupid wattpad clone. Brother's have I not warn of this? Look at our website THAT NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN AS SUCCESSFUL AS IT IS RIGHT KNOW WITHOUT US TURN TO A STUPID

                                                                                                                                            "OH NO SUCH A HANDSOME CEO AND HIS A BAD BOY."
                                                                                                                                            OH NO MY PU**** JUICE IS EVERYWHERE IM PREGNANT TO AND HE WANT'S ME BACK!

                                                                                                                                            Shit absolute shit

                                                                                                                                            Ancient_Devil#337659 if there's a lot of famale oriented novels all translator will start translating them because of their potential and translate less novels the males like.
                                                                                                                                            Ancient_Devil#337660 And yes to male oriented readers it's really is a problem. No translator will pick up any novels except romance ones

                                                                                                                                            These are the misogynistic comments I'm referring to. If you read properly instead of making your assumptions, you would have realized that I was responding to these overreaction comments claiming that male lead novels would completely disappear all because we have a bunch of female lead novels in the ranking. You would have realized that I was responding to male readers who felt so threatened just because female lead novels made it to the top rankings to the point that they deluded themselves into thinking this is the beginning of extinction of male lead novels. As if female lead novels making it to the top rankings is some horrible, apocalyptic thing that should never be allowed.

                                                                                                                                            Do you not think that is misogynistic? Do you not find that petty and narrow-minded? Do you not find that self-centered? These male readers are advocating for Webnovel to be a male-only site and start complaining about their novels being threatened just because, what, a few female lead novels got into the top rankings?

                                                                                                                                            I'm not talking about all male readers or male readers in general, I'm responding specifically to them! That would be clear if you've actually bothered to read through the whole thread and see who I'm responding to, instead of taking my posts out of context and making stupid assumptions!

                                                                                                                                              Madevils

                                                                                                                                              Madevils calling the other at male female novel thing

                                                                                                                                              What does this mean.
                                                                                                                                              D-do you know what the sentence you quoted actually means? Or... did you run the word "misogynistic" through google translate?
                                                                                                                                              Here... let me just... break it down for you.

                                                                                                                                              Tomoyuki I'm just pissed off by a bunch of misogynistic dudes running around claiming that male lead novels will disappear,

                                                                                                                                              "I am annoyed that a bunch of guys, are telling girls, that they can't be popular because they're girls. I don't like how these guys assume that what they like is what everyone likes. I don't like how they are trying to push Webnovel into getting rid of the girls. These guys need to understand that this website is for guys and girls."

                                                                                                                                              Hopefully that helps. And if I'm wrong about anything, nice.

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