derangedlol Milking them dry. Hm. 70 USD per bonus chapter is not milking people dry? 100 USD for 20 chapters is not milking people dry? You still get free chapters. Look at some of WXW's novels. Less than 7 chapters a week, asks for 100 USD in donation to provide more chapters in said week. And people pay for that. Now, without the 5000 ss bonus, paying 50 USD in QI, which is equal to 2500 SS, is equal to to 150 chapters at least. Now that's a bargain. You say qi has terrible business practices but ignore those who do so much worse.

QI made terrible pr decisions, but who is to say who is wrong or right? Do we all know the content of the contract? Didn't WXW file a lawsuit against QI? Do we have any status about what is happening over there? They have massive failures in public relation, but the content they put up provides hours of entertainment to people, and you can't ignore the fact that compared to any other sites, with the exception of Wuxiaworld and a select few, QI is practicing so much better industry practice.

      Arch Because those are supporting the TRANSLATORS who are using their own time and skills to translate. Translators on QI get paid on a per chapter basis, and most of the money from spirit stones aren't going to go to the translators. I'm gonna copy and paste something by /u/baoluvba, a translator for Emperor's Domination.

      I'm copy and pasting some of my comments on NU.

      If there is no change in regular schedule, then it is just Patreon. If some series are purposely lowering the weekly free chapters for premium chapters, then that's a different story, but I'm sure we need to see the actual implementation before making any judgment.

      Some people have said that certain series will lower the free weekly rate, and use some of those chapters as premium. That will be a net-loss for free users, but this is all speculations.

      What does that mean? For example, I would be releasing 7 chapters of ED instead, and 7 would be going to premium each week.

      Overall, the changes are fine unless the free rate is changed. It is just like Patreon except translators are much worse off.

      As for how much translators get from this, it will be much less than before, unless the scene has a new influx of readers. Imagine this, this is essentially Patreon with a huge % going to the site and authors instead of just to the translators. Now, I'm not saying that there is a problem with giving money to the authors but 50% is a substantial amount unless the pie gets much larger.

      From my own experience and the reader amount for QI, translators will make much less money unless the model has a high initial price and more are willing to pay on the website versus Patreon, which I don't see happening.

      Patreon is fueled by people with disposable income for the higher tiers. This will remove those options, unless they keep the tiers the same for the on-site chapters.

      This is Qidian's way of taking back money from the translators after seeing that the real money is in Patreon. Noted, they were going to do this regardless to match the Chinese mode.

      It's hard to say that as the scene grows, this model will outstrip the earning that translators got from Patreon, especially with the 50% reduction. I don't think any translator should be happy about this move from a financial perspective, but I can't predict the future.

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      So, as we've seen, it's most definitely not patreon. Secondly, the fact that WXW had to file a lawsuit at all is ridiculous. QI had no right to do that at all, and I don't see how WXW filing a lawsuit makes them any more legitimate. I'd rather pay more to translators who actually do work, and probably could do translation work as a side job and make much more money, than pay this huge conglomerate shitdian to reap most of the profit.

          Arch As a follow-up, my problem is that Qidian is giving no respect to the community that built them up. This is the step in the wrong direction. I was okay with adwalls because I always had a choice. Now with the introduction of premium, have fun trying to finish a book within 4-5 years, because your chapters per week just got HALVED.

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              Are you just a raging whore who wants attention??
              I tried to see from your point, I said I was sorry for that Pirating bit, and you call your father a bitch??
              Damn son! you need to learn to give people a chance to back off!! I was going on a passive mode for a bit.
              Qidian is really acting like money hungry whore, and you who was once a part of it is trying to defend her like the son of a whore you are.
              I will not give a damn about Pirating even a little bit,and even back off from this shitty site with son of a whore like you spitting everywhere when you hear that your old ugly mother is asking for a bit too much money to show her goods.
              And P.S. GO and talk about me on Discord, I know what people like you like to do, your sad pathetic life can only see colour with gossiping about people behind the back!!

              So bye and don't tag me again as I would feel dirty, and as I also know you get a raging boner whenever anyone of us gets triggered!!
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              Peace out!!

                  derangedlol You already said it. Translators are already paid for it. QI paid them to do so, and that's the difference WXW and QI. Without QI paying them, they won't do anything. Isn't that a very simple fact? Patreon is a bonus since the translators of QI are already paid for their job.

                  Patreon and premium is not the same, but for paying readers, premium is such an advantage that is a massive bargain. For free readers, however, it just became worse, but not as bad as the inconsistent less than 7 a week of other fan translations, and not as bad as people make it out to be.

                    GoGo I tagged you, and I don't talk behind your back because this is public domain and everyone sees my post, including you. I tagged you specifically so you can see and you can keep in your mind that you are a pathetic little bitch who is encourage pirating. Also to let readers know that you are pathetic loser who is worse than how people make qidian the devil. People like you ruin the translation scene, not just qidian. Do you truly believe people will return to wuxiaworld, volare, gravity and other fan sites once they start reading in the all-in-one aggregator sites that is not cancer-infested with terrible ads? People act in self-interest, the more people know about pirating, the more the losses for every translators not just in qidian, but for the entire translation scene.

                        HugeJin you want to read but complains when the people who are allowing your read mention remuneration (and it's not even like you won't ever read what you want if you don't pay, just by waiting a bit the blocked (regular 2 last released chapters) will be disponible freely for anyone to read) youyou this thought keep running in my read.. please, it's just curiosity. If some day webnovel-translators feed themselves just translating their beloved novels would be the best.
                        hypothetically what path do you think could lead to this kind of reality? And what would you choose between a higher income (retribution of your onw effort) and a lower one if you ever had to be hours translating something that you've already read for someone like yourself (who are just thinking about your onw ass).

                            derangedlol They are giving respect by not putting up a real pay-wall. Creating such a massive community with loads of content that even a month isn't enough to read all of them is already worth paying respect. They just suck at pr, but that doesn't mean they never listened, and they never did research about the current state of the translation scene. 7 a week, after all, is still better than the pathetic release rate from years ago. Anyways, I do respect your opinion, and I was highly against QI during the old debacles that happened. But, after spending so much time reading here since I quit editing, I know that QI is superior compared to the other fan translation sites out there.

                                And @Flaffy , wow, you really like @GoGo 's post? Hahahaha. Good for you. Be the pirates to ruin not just qidian, but also wxw, volare, gravity, liberspark and other fan translations. Pathetic.

                                Arch YOu really haven't done even a bit of research ??.. do you..
                                There are second hand website just like Qidian with a even bigger catalogue of novels(From the Novel Updates database).. its one place to read all the novels.
                                Why do you think, I haven't used them??
                                They have existed for a long time, they show novels even without using the SS system(free novels). They are Paotian of the international scene!!
                                But we, me and my friends still haven't picked them up.
                                We still go to different websites to read our favourite novels.
                                I have disabled adblock on all of them.
                                I am a pirate through and through, I have done piracy before(if not for it , you haven't been born little guy) I haven't pirated a game, but I have pirated movies and anime.
                                You know why?
                                Because unlike games, there are alternatives of the said entertainment tools free on net. Just like we have now, I would try to get my stuff from the genuine source, but if they put a giant paywall on that, what can I do.
                                Should I wait like a stupid for that cliffhanger to unfold.
                                or do a google search and read from there??

                                    Hyper_pumpkin I do not know who you are addressing with that bitch remark but if you mean me, then please refrain for calling me names as I have not done the same to you and as I previously said let's try to keep things civil. Thanks in adavnce.

                                        Arch How long do you want to bet before they put up a paywall? Look, I enjoyed reading on QI with their adwall, because I was never pressured to pay money. But with the removal of an adwall and the reduction of the translation speed, if I ever want to feasibly finish a novel, I have to pay for it. I'm not against QI making money, but I'm against them trying to force me to pay (maybe i just want free shit dude), and I'm against them morally as a company.

                                            GoGo Hahaha, haven't done research? Do you know what the biggest pirate site in China is before piaotian? Do you know how Baidu pirated it all? Lol Do you know what the most popular ways of pirating is? Do you know the specific google drive folder where all chapters are update daily for epubs? You go to different sites, you do adblock. But hey, look at this shit:
                                            http://www.wuxiaworld.co/top/
                                            6k clicks at day one, do you that this site alone has a few million clicks in an entire month? This is actually the worse pirate site, because there are better ones I don't even need to name. You are the one who needs to do the research. You are the one who needs to look at how much damage you do not just to qidian translators, but also to the entire translation scene.

                                                derangedlol I am willing to bet that if they put up a pay wall, they will leave the market and file for bankruptcy in less than 6 months. I'm not willing to bet when, because I still have faith they are not that stupid. But I'm willing to bet that if they are that stupid, then their fall will be faster than their rise.

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