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There are so many people complain about premium, but why no one complain about Patreon?

Prtreon is a lot more expensive.

Or Patreon is on another platform and free reader didn't see it, so it can't be complain?

PS.sorry for my bad English. thanks

natto hehehehe
In fact qidian offer us to read other novels for free while waiting the premium to become free

natto what is patreon again ?

i think the complaint came from the fact that the system is new, and people often don't like change.
patreon happened gradually with each novel, and there wasn't a forum wide announcement about it so i guess people just kinda subconsciously play into the system
i can't compare patreon versus premium 'cause the way i see it, you have to pay either way

Here is the reason I believe Patreon, though flawed, is still the better option. If I want to give $5 a month to support my favorite translator on Webnovel I cannot do that because everything is tied to the word count the translator pumps out. I feel this to be a problem for the actual quality too. From what I understand this pay model is similar to the model they use in China. This does not encourage quality, edited content. It just pushes the authors, translators, and editors to pump out as much as possible as quickly as possible without a lot of quality control. I used to wonder why some webnovels were so tedious to read, going on for thousands of chapters with constant repetition and very little development from chapter to chapter, but now I can clearly see why this happens. The more fluff you add to your novel the more it can be monetized under the pay per word model.

Mrkacho Patreon is like a premium,
That you have to pay for it to gain access advance chapter.
It's around 5$ for 1 advance chapter
15$ for 3 advance chapter(per month)

For more information
https://www.patreon.com/FiveStarSpecialists

The difference is Patreon separate from normal chapter, but premium is not.

This is what I understand between the two.

Ps.I don't like Renegade Immortal translater

ImperfectInfinity I think 5$ for 1 chapter is too expensive for me.

That why I didn't like it.

Miya Maybe you right.

natto Maybe it depends on the number of words per chapter

I think what people concern about is the number of the premium chapter is continuing increase

take example of RTW.. in the beginning there are only 10 premium chapter then the next day increase to 11 and today it has 12 premium chapter

so that's mean people who didn't unlock the premium chapter will left behind than people who unlocked the chapter

it's actually can be solved if they consistent make the premium chapter only 10 chapter

Mrkacho it don't different much from each other between Patreon.

But if you compare Premium and Patreon the money that you have to pay is different like hell and heaven.

natto When did I say $5 per chapter? I said $5 a month as a flat rate, and that was just an example. Some people give as little as $1 a month on Patreon. With Patreon you are allowed to decide how valuable you feel the price is and then give accordingly. There is no freedom with the current system. Also, my point about the quality still stands.

Tertium this is like black and White,
Some people like it(less people but have much money)

Some people hate it(much more people but have less money)

natto It's actually a huge difference. With Patreon, the number of advance chapters a supporter has access to is usually at most 20, while with the new system here, the number of premium chapters is bound to end up in the triple digits.

ImperfectInfinity you don't said that, I just said my opinion. And your point I understand that too.

But my point is that I want much more chapter,
I don't want to go to LNMTL ever again.

Because patreon doesn't halve production speed for advanced chapters, and this is the whole issue, no one would hate premium if not for the fact that it's just halving the chapters/week for free readers..

Klepar you right about this point.

natto There are other ways Webnovel can monetize, like a monthly flat rate for all premium content for example. That probably would be just as controversial, but I believe it would at least be less predatory.

DaoistFedUp yes, like you said.

Rip my Immortal mortal
It is use to be 3 chapter free per day.
But now it is only 1

Well fortunately Immortal mortal is not my main novel.

PS.I want monster paradise on premium, I want moreeeeee

ImperfectInfinity every thing is about
money.

natto why you want monster paradise on premium. From what I get you will receive the same amount of chapters per week, you would just have to pay for half of them while now you read them all for free. Why do you want to pay if you have them free now. The current pace is 14/w, if it goes premium it will stay on 14/w, but you would only have 7/w free...

Lomacris from what I get right now, I will get 10 chapter mass release if it on premium.

I have 1000+ SS, I want to use it before it expires.

If you want more chapters from the translators you like then you need to donate to their patreon, since most translations have goals to increase chapters per week. The premium system is not going to do that as people think it will, most of the money goes directly to Qidian, and they won't use that money to improve the quality of the translations on this platform. As you can already see, the premium webnovels that were chosen are atrocious. Especially the MMO one. So if you want to read ahead and have your money directly support the translator and at the long run increase the amount of chapters you get, then patreon is the obvious choice. But do NOT buy spirit stones and DO NOT! support these low quality garbage translations that they put on the premium system! If they see people are willing to pay money to read that rubbish, then they won't even try to improve the quality of translators and will get keep getting more of the same crap we are already used to from the free days.

natto Correct me if I am wrong, but of all the novels on premium now, the weekly rate stayed the same, the only thing that changed was the amount of chapter you read for free. It used to be 3/day free on immortal mortal, now it's less.
The same happened with mmorpg, now you have less chapters you can read, so why do you want to pay for something you have free.

natto You will get to read 10 chapters ahead, and then you will wait a week or however long it takes to read a new chapter. Would you rather read one chapter a day or 10 chapters in one day and then wait for new chapters.

Lomacris Yes. Now you have less than half the chapters per week as you had before, so if you want to read all the weekly chapters, you would need to pay a lot of money.

Well, I know some translation (staff teams) make upwards of $30,000 USD per month. And they split it between 4 people. Then they pump out 15 weekly chapters per week. And once a month they'll dump 50 bonus chapters (because they're making so much cash in patreon). - Those LN's have over 100,000 supporting them (and read there chapters every day. So basically if a book has a huge enough fan base, even if it's just $1 USD per month (with 30% of the people donating), there's a huge market to rush out chapters.

However, I've seen those same teams have a basic mental break after a yearish or so. (They basically burn themselves out really quick) - So major depression is a big kick in the balls with that much pressure to pump out chapters.

DarkImmortal_Intel

Like one example, a small 2 man translation team was making $3,000 a month (50$ per chapter early release). And finished a short story (350ish chapter LN that was amazing - in maybe 3-4 months time). Felt bad because they literally quit translating after that book. Hahaha.

DarkImmortal_Intel What novel was it?

Lomacris sometimes I want support them too. That's it.

Positive_Lullaby I just want to support them too. I can't just read for free for ever.

Of course if it don't expensive like Patreon.

natto Yeah hahahaXD atleast they let us read other novels for free

Hyper_pumpkin not for much longer

Lomacris KILL JOY xD

Estriole so you're saying Qi should have been more gradual with their spirit stone increase but still go in for the kill eventually?
I'd rather know what's coming at me than suffering a slow death, it just seems that much more coarse