Rak0 Ah, sure, my bad here. Seeing the forum floaded with complains made me kinda biased to this thread already, my bad here.
I think it is time to move on from the webnovel forever.
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LostInFictions yes. I am freighted by the thought. 
MotivatedSloth no problem.
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Rak0 NVM
LostInFictions nope i do not
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Hmm.
Rak0 Certain stuff can't be said here. 
LostInFictions hmm true true... what about in my threads lol. Jk jk. Everything I say online I have already said in real life for the most part. Expect the wood dilemma that is a forums exclusive lol
God damn yall pulling out the maths up in here ;)
Math my nemesis. 
MotivatedSloth Tell me, why should i spend money on something that i have no guarantee to be at an acceptable quality? If quality is shit, i dont even know how to get my money back. Do you go to restaurant, order food, pay, receive shit and then eat that literal shit?
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Heyyou But then, you don't get your money back either at the restaurant unless the restaurant owner is saint enough to offer the customers their money back if they didn't like the food. You can choose to leave the shit as you call it but you cannot not pay for what you have ordered there. That's not how it works.
As far as Webnovel is concerned, you do get an idea if the novel will work for you or not from the first couple of chapters. Besides that, correct me if I am wrong - but as far as I know, you unlock one chapter at a time. So it's not that you are spending your entire money on one particular novel. The moment you start disliking it, leave it and switch to something else. Isn't that how it works?
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Furthermore, premium novels don't charge from the first chapter. The first 50-100 chapters are usually free, it's to give readers the chance to check out if the novel is for them. As for me personally, 25 chapters are enough to know whether or not to ditch a novel.
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Heyyou Let's say I go to a restaurant. I see this new thing on the menu and I order it. Turns out that it's too spicy for me, or I didn't like the taste, or it's too oily/greasy. What do I do? I either force myself to eat it (because I don't want to waste it) or I just waste it by throwing it away and not eating it. Then I pay for the food.
I don't go and tell the waiter, "I'm not going to pay because I don't like the food." That's not how it works. If you do that, you get arrested for dine and dash.
If I go to a bookshop and buy a book, and I end up being disappointed by it (and believe me, there are a lot of books that are pretty bad, even though they supposedly go through professional editing), I don't go back to the bookshop the next day and demand for a refund. That's not how it works. If I buy an amazon novel and find out that the quality is terrible (and again, I have seen a lot of self-published Amazon novels that clearly lack a professional editor), I don't go and claim a refund. That's not how it works either. I can't lodge a complaint and demand a refund based on "I don't like the book" or "the quality is bad." Not unless the book is torn, tattered, the words are illegible and the print smudged, or the mobi file that I downloaded from Amazon into my Kindle is corrupted or tainted with a virus, I have no grounds to claim any sort of refund based on "the quality of the story is bad" or "I hate the story."
If I go to a video shop and buy a DVD, I can't just go ask for a refund just because I thought that was a terrible movie that was horribly directed. I can only ask for a refund if the DVD was broken and it doesn't play on my player. I can't demand for refunds just because I hate the movie and think it was trash. It doesn't work that way.
So your example completely backfired on you.
Furthermore, why the hell are you using spirit stones to unlock a story you consider as "s" quality? The first 100 or so chapters are free, and if you've read enough of them, you should know whether they are worth investing your spirit stones/coins in. The f are you doing, investing coins in a story you know to be "s" quality, and then complaining about it? I don't go complain about having to pay $12 to watch Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker if I don't like the movie. I just don't go to the cinema and watch the movie, simple. I don't go to Disney and bitch to them about "why should I spend money on a movie that's certain to be terrible?" - only a super entitled "fan" will spout such rubbish. Furthermore, you probably realize how stupid you sound when you start whining about how people should be allowed to watch movies for free and only pay for it if they like it. No, that's not how it works. It costs money to make a movie. A lot of money. And the people working in the cinema, selling tickets and popcorn, cleaning up the theater after every viewing, running the projectors, etc. also need to be paid.
Cantiara That's exactly my point. Let's say you couldn't figure out if it will work for you or not despite having read over 100 chapters and you get disappointed by the time you reach 110th chapter. Now what? Are you stuck? Did you waste your money on a novel that you think didn't deserve your SS? No, right? You can leave the novel whenever you want. Whenever you want. If there was a case like you had to buy the entire novel if you were willing to read it - then this outburst would have been justified. In present circumstances - it isn't - at least it doesn't seem that way to me!
As of now, $9.99 would able for you to get (without the bonus) around 250 chapters for novels/fanfic and around 38 chapters for comics. This can be less or more depending on the price of the coins for unlocking chapters.
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$9.99 (500 coins) for 250 chapters of a novel is incorrect unless your calculation is based on 2 coins per chapter, which no premium novel will ever offer. Since around a month ago contracted original authors are required to write a minimum of 1000 words per chapter. That's a minimum of 5 coins, because 1 coins = 200 words. So, based on a 5 coins chapter, $9.99 can get you 100 chapters of a novel. Fanfics are always free, they can't make money out of fanfics because of copyrights issue. Your calculation for comics is right because a chapter of comics always costs 13 coins.
MotivatedSloth Do you really believe that this kind of speed is notable? I can't judge the entire matter without knowing the word count of those chapters, but as long as they are up to 2k long, that's actually nothing much.
Thank you, for agreeing with me. Because thanks to your own ignorcance, you just said it's possible. We talked about 2k word chapters, and I based everything on that. So if it's nothing much as you put it, why the hell do you even argue and give me those low ass numbers? (I will show you even more, since you want to look like a champion of truth).
MotivatedSloth Google average reading per minute speed. YOu will find that it's 200-250wpm for average educated adult,
200 words per minute (I will take the lowest range). That is 2000 words per 10 minutes. It's what I clamed all along, and you are arguing with yourself now. Your point again? What is your point? All the time you are proving what I wrote.
MotivatedSloth In adults world, you have work, social life, responsibilities etc, etc, etc. So far, I lived in 4 diffrent big cities (Liverpool, Wrexham, Krakow, ลรณdลบ)
Yea? I live in London. One of the biggest cities in the world. That is a big city. People commute (not community) for 1 hour 1 way on tube. People use busses, which also take a while to arrive, and get to the point you want to go. Especially if you live outside the Central London and you work there. Still don't believe me? Here:
"The average daily commute lasted 57.1 minutes in 2015, the ONS data showed." <-- That is for the WHOLE UK not just London. It is 2015, but the figures were rising not falling. Hard data no conjunctions. I give you proof, and you just say "Oh , I lived in Liverpool and my work was 15 min away from where I live". You are not the population of Liverpool or the UK in all. Curb your self importance.
Here one more thing:
Wrexham is the largest town in the north of Wales and an administrative, commercial, retail and educational centre. Wrexham is situated between the Welsh mountains and the lower Dee Valley alongside the border with England. Wikipedia
Population: 149,000 (2011); urban โ 90,000
It's not even a city! It's a large TOWN. Here's more: Krakow - 1,725,894 Lodz -1,100,000 Liverpool - 552,267 And now, London: 14,257,962 <- around 8 Krakows worth of people, the biggest city you mentioned. I don't think you have a grasp at what commuting is in that case.
MotivatedSloth you need to ensure it has AT LEAST 1k words. Hence why I never lowered the minimal bar in our calculations.
And I used 2k word, which is an average? Which you said yourself? Average means: in-between a range of numbers? That is an average? You assumed a novel between 1.5m and 3m. I basically gave you 2.4m based on average numbers? Again, what is your point? We are talking about 1000+ chapters novel (in other words translated, because there are almost none original novels which reached that stage, or none at all). Those novels usually have an average of 2000 words. Check the coin cost and you will see.
MotivatedSloth All in all, with an average reading speed of 200-250wpm, getting 3 free passes guarantees you between 12-15min and 24-30min of free reading.
Again convoluted math, which serves no purpose. If A guy can read 10 chapters (I will use 10 because 20 is somehow impossible for you). Then you take away 3 passes, no matter how long they read. They are not charged per minute. Where the hell are you going with this?
MotivatedSloth With that, I can now go back to your previous post and check how would you feel if someone said this kind of words straight to your face.
I can, because I have proof? You have conjunction. Stuff like, I lived in 4 cities (yet one of them is a town). You prove my point a few times, and you don't even realize that. Yes, I can say to you all those things, because a blind person would be able to spot them. I have no clue what goes on in your mind, but why the hell do you calculate how much someone pays for 1 minute of reading. This was never an argument? Who needs this? No one is charged like that.
MotivatedSloth I know that you can believe there are some people who read a lot in a very quick pace, but guess what? THEY ARE FCKING MINORITY
No, your numbers prove people can read like that. 200wpm remember. That is 2000 word chapter per 10 minutes. That was average according to YOU! Yet you are the one with an average user who reads 5 chapters a day. You are the minority here.
MotivatedSloth seeing how you disregard any kind of REAL LIFE
You disregard proof and create different reality. You claim to know how the userbase behaves and how people read. I just showed some numbers... Actually, I just wanted to correct your misrepresentation. Now I know why you did it. Go figure.
MotivatedSloth Check the numbers, for the demographic that can be considered as the most likely paying one, they have about 4-5 hours of screen time, with averagely 25% of this time being spent on the phone apps.
That is your argument? "Americans spend more time than ever watching videos, browsing social media and swiping their lives away on their tablets and smartphones. American adults spend more than 11 hours per day watching, reading, listening to or simply interacting with media...". You must be reading something else then. It's not 25% also, don't misrepresent data. It's clear over there. Why are you just cherry picking. That is cherry picking, you chose 1 value which suits your need, and then assumed what people use their time on. According to you, 4 -5 hours use (nope it's not that much on a mobile alone) = 25% for reading and therefore an hour of reading. Yea, show me where the article claimed that, because it didn't (even better, I will show you real statistics below). Go take a cold shower.
It's actually more than 3 hours (a few things combined, explained below). You don't have any idea on what those three hours are spent on. The article doesn't support that. It's just use time. And people use tablets, computes and such for reading books. Altogether from this chart, I see potentially 3h 48m (more if you include the "internet connected devices") of usage, where 1, 2, 3 hours and so on of that could be accounted for reading (you don't know, because it doesn't say, does it? You made up numbers again). Does not support you whatsoever this.
MotivatedSloth Learn what statistics are for, it will be quite useful if you want to decide something that can have ANY impact on a larger group of people.
REALLY? Learn to read those statistics. You quote stuff, that doesn't support you. You make up your own numbers, when I can CLEARLY see the statistics myself. You agree with me, and actually prove my arguments. You think you have a case? Hilarious and delusional. I know I said I will not respond, but the more of your stuff I read, the more I believe you are just trolling, right? There is no way someone like this can exist? I mean, I had a laugh so kudos if you were going for that. Merry Christmas. Return to the reality after new year.
Gosh, aren't we Just two scoops of grumpy in a bowl full of bitchy this morning? Relax, people, relax... we're all a little crazy, it isn't a competition...
Cantiara Thanks for the correction, because I only read comics mostly.