DarkRay
DarkRay Thank you, for agreeing with me. Because thanks to your own ignorcance, you just said it's possible. We talked about 2k word chapters, and I based everything on that. So if it's nothing much as you put it, why the hell do you even argue and give me those low ass numbers? (I will show you even more, since you want to look like a champion of truth).
FYI, I never said that reading 2k chapter is impossible, stop twisting my words. I said that reading 50k words/day for 60days straight is impossible.
DarkRay 200 words per minute (I will take the lowest range). That is 2000 words per 10 minutes. It's what I clamed all along, and you are arguing with yourself now. Your point again? What is your point? All the time you are proving what I wrote.
You keep taking small parts of what I said as a complete sentence with entire logic in it. Yes, with the lowest average speed you can red a 2k words chapter in 10min, and with max average speed for educated adult (300wpm as far as I remember) you can do it in about 6.(6)minutes? So?
Which is one of the biggest cities in the world, just like you said. It's as picky as it indeed was with me in that case. SO let's run the proper numbers.
https://www.un.org/development/desa/en/news/population/2018-revision-of-world-urbanization-prospects.html
Urban population amounts to 55% of total population.
~7 500 000 000
This number here is flawed as its just average out of the suggestions I found here:
https://www.quora.com/How-many-towns-and-cities-are-there-in-the-world
which amounts to about 2kk. So simple calculation:
(7.5kkk*55%)/2 000 000(aprox number of cities/towns making up URBAN population) = 2062.5. I know this number is far from being right, but it's simply impossible to count exact number of cities.
And forgive me my mistake, in Poland there is no distinction between city and town, making it impossible for me to know that in English those are actually difrent words. Here, I was wrong, my bad.
But looking at the numbers above, both of our picks were as far from the truth as it could be possible, with most of the urban population of the world appearing in small towns. (yes, big cities over 4kk populaiton have in total about 10% of human population, but that leaves 45% of population in smaller places)
So just by pure luck, my esitmate is so much closer to the harsh reality that yours was.
As for commuting time, here you have it:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/521886/travel-time-spent-work-study-countries/
Not only is your claim of ONE WAY time being 1h (for the entire uk, maybe it applies to london alone) but as you can see, the entire list radiates to 30mins rather to 1h (calculaitng by men, 9 cases over 40min, 22 cases under 40min out of which 10 were under 30min)
That only proves my point not only in UK (which is laughtably small part of the world, just like every country in UE by itslef) but in the general are of OCED countries.
DarkRay And I used 2k word, which is an average? Which you said yourself?
2k words long chapters are in no way the average, I never said that myself. I could say LETS TAKE 2k/CHAP IS THE AVERAGE LENGHT OF SAID NOVEL if anything, and that also was just an assumption for the sake of theory or calculations. Don't put your words in my mouth only to prove them wrong.
DarkRay You assumed a novel between 1.5m and 3m. I basically gave you 2.4m based on average numbers?
No, you have me 2.4kk as the aproximate amount of paid words in 3kk words long novel (which is imo funny and only shows how small amount of novels you read on this site, most of them goes premium around 100chapters mark, not 300)
DarkRay We are talking about 1000+ chapters novel
Thats only your idea. We are talking about webnovel in general, while discussing A SPECIFIC case that you brough up.
DarkRay Again convoluted math, which serves no purpose.
If you don't see the purpouse in my writing, you should try harder or read further why I brough it up. And it aint convoluted at all.
Chapter legnts on average varies between 1-2k words. SO 3 free passes allows you to read daily from 3k to 6k words ON AVERAGE.
DarkRay If A guy can read 10 chapters (I will use 10 because 20 is somehow impossible for you)
Again, you are puting your words in my mouth and proving them wrong. That's silly. I stated that reading 50k or more words in a long, sustained period is impossible for your average adult, since it would take him 25x 10min (let's count 25 chapters with 2k words each, just like you wants) meaning they would have to spend 250min (ora bit over 4h) on reading alone. All acording to YOUR OWN calculations. We can bring down that number by about a third if we take the fastest reading speed, which still is on the far end of the scale of things possible to be accomplished by average adult.
DarkRay They are not charged per minute. Where the hell are you going with this?
Since explaining the number based on the cost of words didn't work, I'm trying to show you the cost of aprox time it takes to read said words.
DarkRay I can, because I have proof?
Definition of a proof - the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact
Bringing up 1, 10 or 100 users like that can't be taken as a proof. You said they are commenting so you can gauge it like that, but guess what - only a tiny part of readerbase bothers to comment on chapters, most of the time - the most active and invested part. This means that your so-called "proof" is worth nothing. And just as a reminder - your "proof" that you PICKED YOURSELF actually points out that your reader needed 6h (or 4h, I'm to lazy to go back and check) to read 25 chapters. Instead of proving something, you are showing that the most devoted reader of yours required 6 hours of reading (or 4, correct me if I'm wrong) to read 25x1.5k words (just my own guess how long your chapters are after looking at single random one) meaning they required 6 hours to read about 40k words. (based on random guess, you can easily prove me wrong by showing your average chapter lengts, then we could run proper numbers here)
DarkRay You prove my point a few times, and you don't even realize that.
You put your own words in my mouth and prove it wrong, and now you dare to claim that I did so myself? What a silly statement! xD
DarkRay No, your numbers prove people can read like that. 200wpm remember. That is 2000 word chapter per 10 minutes. That was average according to YOU! Yet you are the one with an average user who reads 5 chapters a day. You are the minority here.
No, this is the average according to google, and writing "you" on caps doesn't change that point. But other than that I agree, reading between 2k and 3k in a span of 10min is normal. Multiply it by 6 to get an hour and you get between 12k and 18k words per hour, considering that you keep your focus fully on the story. Looking at your "proof" that aint true either, since YOUR DEVOTED READER required 6 FCKIGN HOURS TO READ 40K WORDS!
With statistical info, you need to learn how it applies to real life situations. If I have nothing to eat and my boss eats three times the amount he should, then on average we are both overeating. You need to learn how the statistical info applies to real world.
Yep, I'm the minority. I spend about 6h daily writing, 3 hours daily reading and my remaining time goes to physical activities and duties. I'm in the very small minority here that can afford this lifestyle.
DarkRay You disregard proof and create different reality.
All you are doing over and over again is taking cherrypicked data that actually proves you wrong, taking your own interpretation of it. You want proof? Here it goes (i dunno how to post images here)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/650266662255329289/659002954506043403/unknown.png
As for now, I'm waiting for other, bigger authors to share their data, will upload it as soon as I get it and will have enought time to do so.
Yep, to fix your own selfconfidence problem with how broken your logic is on every step that you make, how hard you are trying to prove wrong the words you say by yourself etc.
The part abuot the statistic from the website is actually where I'm wrong. Was about to finally go get some rest after 48h of working, writing, helping around the home with 5h of sleep in total. I missread the part "In the first quarter of the year, U.S. adults spent three hours and 48 minutes a day on computers, tablets and smartphones." as the general time spend on electronic devices, and took first 3 demographics from the first graph (ages from 18 to 49) with 21/29/25% repsectively and merged it into single 25%. My bad here, was too tired to indulge myself in reading the entire article so I just took what was first.
DarkRay You quote stuff, that doesn't support you.
That happened once, at the end of my 2k long elaboration.
DarkRay You make up your own numbers,
Every time I explain where they came from but you promptly ignore those parts every time You mention them.
DarkRay can CLEARLY see the statistics myself
Proved you wrong with global commute time, so another lie.
Nope, I agree only with certain right points, (like, 200 x 10 = 2000), but that doesn't give you right to even pretend that I agree with you in general
DarkRay actually prove my arguments
You can think that only because you don't even see the lapses in your logic. From the way you stated your numbers, if you see similiar ones written by me, they must be supporting you, and if you see diffrent ones that aren't in any way familiar - I must be spewing bullshit.
All in all, the ending paragraph is just a insulting rant of someone who is desperately trying to prove himself right by adpersonam. Reading it, I actually start to believe that I was mistaken by taking you seriously in the first place. If you can't even keep up the pretense of taking this topic seriously by pointing out lapses in my logic, explaining why you believe they are wrong and waiting for my response as I did, then there is no point in wasting my time on you. Anyway, thanks for providing entertainment for entire inkstone discord, now both contracted and uncontracted authors know what to think about you. Cheers!
