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[unknown] I think that's the problem with some of these shameless readers. They read literally any shiz, that thing you just said about mc shooting fart rainbows out of his bum that can evaporate mountains and smell like tacos, is my definition of fanfiction heavoc! Where some person just felt like writing any kind of story based on some random fantasy they had and created this dumb story. Now as a manga that would be a pretty interesting shiz, I mean we already have a MC who is bald, dumb and can one punch anything to a pulp and he's cool.

I think it's just the subject of taste, people justify because it suits their taste their narrative. It's like talking to a paranoid guy, "The government put it there!!", which can never truly be confirmed nor denied without the proof which will never be shown, thus using the effective excuse.

Exactly. Every time I hear the "it's a different world!" or "it's fiction!" excuse, I'm just like, sigh, fanboi alert...

N0xiety I mean, you're reading fantasy novels where people can create planets with a wave of the hand and you bitch about faulty logic? Also, even in our world logic and common sense differ by culture let alone worlds rules by insane cultivators.

Mute Ok let me give you an example from Library of Heaven's Path... Mc says he doesn't want to reveal his ability. Mc proceeds to say something that would %100 reveal his ability. Even a 10 yo would be able to connect the dots. It's that goddamn obvious! But some of the most revered alchamists of the world are too oblivious to even notice such a thing. So the excuse? Because it's a different world people aren't as smart as us... FFS...........

Flaffy Even pure comedy needs some logic to be entertaining...

"mc can shoot out fart rainbows out of his bum that can evaporate mountains and smell like tacos." If Lin fan (TST) did sometin like this, I would just laught. C'mon, dudes, just imagine if to every novel the author has to make reserach to know if that things if possible or not, if the author has to spend a lot of time to build up a good logic instead of just spitinig some twisted logic? The story would be a boring shit.

Also, think about it, is the people saying "is another universe" 'cause they really don't want to think about it, or 'cause you are using our reallty to compare with a fantasy?

N0xiety .
There is a guy being examined in front of several masters, the masters who prepared the room and everthing else to ensure that the guy examined can not cheat, so this guy sitting, without leaving his seat, only sees the masters practicing their 'arts' and tells the faults of these arts or answers some questions of these masters.

And you expect these masters to deduce that the guy being examined has divine power?

It is very clear from the beginning of LOHP that the place where the MC starts is a rotten land, instead of thinking that the Alchemist Masters have for some reason to guess that the protagonist has a divine power, why do not you consider that the Masters may have been thinking "this kid is probably apprentice of a Master from outside these rotten lands"?

Dan, I'm on chapter 550 and there not one metion to sometin close to the Mc power, not one, is basically sometin never seen before in that world and you espect to some Masters of a rotten land to guess it?

Flaffy I've seen authors who do not know math, imagine all this.
The key is to read through the main story and not cling to the details. Want to stick to the details? Go read something like GoT, where the author spends a page just to describe the costumes of a character. At least some serialized Japanese novel and never a webnovel.

Cytric Why are you missing the details? Mc literally said the name of the formula that no one but the alchemist master can know! The name isn't even official. It's just in his head! And mc can know that how? If they weren't compelte morons i guess they could think he is reading their mind at the very least right?

Cytric speaking of details I think you are lost in them. This is not about the author or the book it's about people who take to defend the novel or it's authors mistakes with stupid simple and holey reasonings like n0xiety said. Some people find it fun to prove or disprove their favorite works with logic, because that logic comes in handy to bash another novel that they hate xD. It's just something readers do, you don't have those scenarios where "who would in a fight spongebob or dora?" For nothing, the logic the author did or did not put into the character will bind or make more possibilities for these kinds of things and it's fun.

In this case these authors leave things open and sometimes end up contradicting themselves making it hard for anyone to really have confidence of a stable character. Arguments that the character would win would be throttled by "oh but he could change his mind about it like he did that one time remember, and that other time too" and then people bring up the "that was a different world though!! In this world he was like blah blah" and the shiz just never ends.

Flaffy

Flaffy

"People are allowed to question logic in something that is a fictional depiction of reality"

They are allowed but it's a pointless mundane complaint that can be applied to every novel in the genre, questioning idiotic decisions by people based off the knowledge they possess is fine.

"Then again I guess you have to be smart to really enjoy the convo with someone about logic of fictional content since it requires a certain amount of intellect."

Lol this is one of the most neckbeard things i've read here, you're saying debating illogical things in a fantasy genre completely based on illogical and mythological things is something someone possessing any real intellect would do?

There was a novel where a dude got reborn and he programmed windows 95 himself in like a week, which made me sad, this is the kind of logical errors i understand complaining about, but when it comes to physics involved? I'd say it's stupid.

well i mean the story we are reading is fiction the whole point that it doesnt really need a logical basis and i can understand how youre frustrated sometimes with like characters doing stupid things but the setting ca be whatever dude like if the mc craps out rainbows let him crap rainbows dude if i wanted reality i wouldnt be reading a story about a dude that transmigrates and has a system that literally helps out of any situation

People shouldn't try to justify story's.... Cuz that's what they are...just stories

MonstrousBirdOfQin That's like saying people shouldn't think and shouldn't have a brain...

N0xiety "Isn't it annoying when people reply to your comments that question the logic of novel by claiming everything is perfectly fine because it's a different world or universe?"

Right. If you find it annoying, then stop arguing with them and move on. You can clearly understand that it's their favourite novel, yet they may not know exactly why. It's like having a different taste in food; some people like a certain food, and when questioned about it, they just say they like it because it tastes good :)

If you're getting annoyed by their argument, about a fantasy web novel might I add, then just move on.

Flaffy I don't have to join and i can also say you're ridiculous and pathetic for discussing realism in a genre where realism has never nor will it ever be considered.

If you think thousands go to comic con and debate actual flaws in physics in fiction then you're delusional, they certainly debate characters, but in the real world, supermans punch would cause an atomic bomb like explosion, yet you don't see people commenting on that, or when superman moved the freaking planet back into orbit, or you know, the fact he shoots freaking lasers out his eyes.

This thread... was destined to become a warzone... As for this matter, I really wouldn't know because I've never thought too deeply about the things that go on in these novels... If someone replied to you and said something you don't like or are annoyed by, just pretend they said anything to get exp points, therefore it's not really valid :smiley: Just float away into your own world... (Like I do)

Flaffy I don't care if they talk about it, i care when they complain that something in fiction outside human behavior is impossible.

N0xiety Everyone is free to question logic in fiction. However, you should also remember that everyone is free to tolerate the non-existence of logic too in the same way.

Questioning logic in fiction that's not really based on logic is just being a party pooper to be honest. Most people don't read these things based on how believable they are anyway, but on how enjoyable they are. So these people party-pooping your attitude of questioning is to be expected. No one is exactly right in the end. It's a matter of perspective, and a matter of how much you're able to tolerate.

Maybe these stories aren't for you anyway. Maybe there's a story there somewhere that will fit your expectations. You just have to find them. These stories you're complaining about are certainly being enjoyed without any problems by a lot of people. It's impossible to write something that will be liked 100% by everyone anyway so why bother.

N0xiety It's a different universe so people are stupid... It's a different universe so logic works differently than ours...

N0xiety You could justify it by claiming it's a different universe so everything is ok. But that doesn't make it any less ridiculous or stupid...

You just killed my entire wuxia pen and paper with your post... (ಠ﹏ಠ) slowly dies because crippling depression like GoGo ୧ꔸ╭╮ꔸ୨ Stupid logic makes it easier to write a story, with most people ignoring it for the sake of entertaiment ȌᨓȌ