Thank you for your opinions guys. I think I won't sign I read all the 20 pages and with some clauses I am totally not fine with it. Like they have the ability to force me to stop my novel or yeah a third party can continue writing my novel. Or they are giving me instructions for my plot and I have to follow them even though I have a different opinion as it is their work now. I am not someone else puppet. Again thank you guys but if someone else is interested in signing a contract don't be discouraged by that if it really is your interest.
Is signing up a contract with webnovel really that bad?
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I think Rabbiticol has given some good advise. It's my recommendation too. Read and ask your content editor your questions. They're there to help you with this.
You're instincts should tell you if you're going to sign or not. You should be 100 percent gungho willing to sign with all understanding of what you're signing. If you're not, especially after gathering content editor and independent advice from legal savvy peeps, there's your answer.
A rule of thumb, a clause is always enforceable. We're just fortunate at this stage that Webnovel is still yet to reach a level of maturity to enforce most of them. It's best to read and accept a fact that a condition and obligation clause is one that must, can and has the potential to happen.
Hope that helps.
Deleteduser87 Sorry, I will correct my statement. If you breach the contract, you will be blacklisted. No lawsuit. Just a blacklist.
Deleteduser87 hello.! May i know how many days did you wait for the contract.? and where did they send it.?
SugarCuddlyBear
I won the contract through WPC. Two weeks after the WPC I got the contract. They send me a notification through system. To read the contract I had to read it in webnovel inkstone.
I think most of people here are forgetting one painful yet important aspect of the clauses in the contract.
1st - Be god-damn realistic. Outside of the cream of the top of the webnovel (and even it that case, I doubt it would have any other meaning) your books when compared to the size of the entire webnovel, are worthless. Don't worry, my books, books of most of my author's friends and most of the authors I even know about, apply to this rank.
Because it's easy to say, sign something only with the understanding it will be used against you. But that's not how the world works. Do you know what kind of insane uproar enforcing even a single of those rules would cause? Do you realise the size of the backlash that WN would face with it? Then unless you believe (and trust me, unless you are top3, you don't have any reason to do so) that you are absolute monster whose novel is worth more than the literal rest of the webnovel portfolio, then you don't need to worry about it!
What's more, EVEN IF a clause were to be enforced (because let's say for some reasons WN turn's idiotic as most of the people bringing up those clauses would like it to be). What do you think would WN do? Go for immensely costly lawsuit only to gain about 1% of its costs alone back (in case you were actually a big author in the first place, which let's face it, most of peps are not)? SImply because they would like you to suffer?
I'm sorry guys, but you are not (nor am I or most if not all the author's writing for webnovel) worth the effort to go for such length. If you breach the contact, you can just say byebye to your earnings, as you wouldn't get a single more promotion till the rest of your life. But let's be honest, if you are willing to breach the contract, you don't care about webnovel either way.
Deleteduser87 .does the 2 weeks starts after they anounced the winner or after the wpc itself.? Sorry for asking a lot of questions.
SugarCuddlyBear
Yeah if I remember correctly and don't worry I am not bothered by it if you ask me questions -
MotivatedSloth they wouldn't got into a lawsuit. They'd just fuck you over and say "read the contract. " the author would have to be the one to fight it and try to get those clauses rendered unenforceable but good luck lol. Esp good luck for poor authors trying to fight a corporation
Aby55 I will repeat once again what I said. If WN does this to small author, they screw themselves over. So no, they wouldn't care about small authors. It's not even worth to hire ghostwriters for small stories. People just thinks too highly of themselves. Learn how to be humble. Lack of humility is what irks me on this forum the most.
MotivatedSloth Why are you telling me to be humble? I'm not a small author worried this will happen to me. I'm a legal professional in my country making a clarification about what could happen. Calm down Mr. Defense Force. No need to attack me
Aby55 Why are you telling me to be humble?
Because you have no reason to be proud.
Aby55 I'm not a small author worried this will happen to me.
Seeing how you even thing about publishing on WN, then yes, you are. If you are super great insane author, then go to amazon. Simple as that.
Aby55 I'm a legal professional in my country making a clarification about what could happen.
Maybe you are legal, maybe you are professional, but you are not a real grown-up in my book if you don't take reality into account. Just like there are people out there screaming that they are unicorns married to attack helicopters, I take them as seriously as people who think that such a huge company as WN with backing of one of the biggest companies in the world would care to bully someone like you, while risking their entire business collapsing because of that.
Aby55 Calm down Mr. Defense Force. No need to attack me
Calm down Mr. volatile snowflake. No one is attacking you. You are making an laughingstock of yourself, yourself. You brought the points that I pointed out that are unreasonable, and never said anything that would actually warrant your side.
Aby55 they wouldn't got into a lawsuit. They'd just fuck you over and say "read the contract. "
And once again, by doing that, they would risk all of the original authors leaving the site and dropping their novels. So let me tell you this again, unless your novel is worth more than all the novels on the site combined, then there is no way that would ever happen. But I guess the fact that you are not the precious little treasure that your family most likely made you believe you are (as is the case with most of us) is sad and hurtful, won't change the fact that in order to even be at risk of getting on the Webnovel badside, you would have to be greater author than Author Wiz. And trust me, there is not a single person on the entire Webnovel that even comes close to that monster.
I'd like to ask if anyone else is getting that mass email and contract notification when they sign into Inkstone?
Feels like part of one of their updates. (one of the reasons I never signed months back too- I understand WN is busy contracting all sorts of writers but I never liked how robotic copy&pasted their emails sounded, or maybe it was just the editor they had contact me). Of course, it's part of the streamline and efficiency, and I get that.
MaxwellKHA Actually the reason they say that is because they are ignorant. Its the same reason why people say the world is flat. Have you also heard the one about the benefits of joining pyramid schemes or how Bernie Madoff gives good returns on investments? Look them up if you have not. It might save you and your loved ones a lot of grief. Unfortunately this type of practical information is not taught more often when we are children, even though it could have a greater impact on our lives.
MotivatedSloth I am sorry to inform you, but this has already happened:
Qidian is pretty used to backlash and it has not stopped them. They just learnt how to handle it better (e.g. like negotiating they start off with a high demand and then are "willing" to "back down" to a slightly lower amount that contain all the key changes that they want). Which, to be fair, is pretty common practice for companies that prioritise profits over ethics.
Having said that, being a "puppet" is not necessarily a bad thing. If you care more about money than the IP of your work, its obviously attractive to sell your IP for money. And while other people can disagree with your decision, at the end of the day, if you are both happy AND aware of what you are getting into, then good for you. Its like buying lottery tickets. As an investment option its stupid. But if you buy it purely for entertainment with the expectation that you are more likely to lose money than gain money, its a valid choice. However, being happy with an ignorant choice can hurt you when you least expect it and when you cannot afford it. That is not smart. That is just stupid.
mng Were can i find this? Why can’t I find it on reddit anymore?
mng There is one thing you can do with the post above. Shove it all the way back where it came from. Why?
You pretend to act so knowledgable and informed, yet you failed to notice that while Yuwen owns BOTH qidian and webnovel, those two companies are entirely different, to the point that webnovel is even banned in China! As such. the way in which both of the companies work, is entirely different. Quidian holds practical monopoly over the entire literature in China, while webnovel is just one of the possible choices for the people. That's why, the entirety of the post above is meaningless. What they can allow themselves in China, won't happen in the international version. Give me A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF IT EVER HAPPENING IN WEBNOVEL, rather than trying to bring the dirt form the qidi, that has complete freedom to act as he wants, because not only he has insane market to itself (entirety of the china) but nothing to actually limit its authority.
MotivatedSloth True that! The audience directed to is different and it’ll be harder to implement those methods at us lol
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ThyUnknownSaint Do take note that the controversy is mostly over. It's nice to bitch about Qidian/Webnovel in the community, but when things are done right, you don't see such posts to say that the controversy is over. I'll not make much comment on it, but use Webnovel's competitor, since I don't want to come off as a shill.
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Deleteduser87
Contracted Author here. Here's the reality.
Your novel rights are worth nothing right now. If you think it is you should go put down your ego. Even amazing novels rarely get adaptations so there's no use validating something imaginary.
Is the WN contract fair? As a contracted author I entirely believe its fair. Just like musicians sign contracts with record labels. You have to give up something to get wns in-house promotion. If you could stand on your own as an author you wouldn't even be debating it .
Webnovels that are uncontracted and make money with Patreon take a minimum 7+ months to build up popularity. I spoke to many of the popular uncontracted authors when I was debating such. That's 7+ months you need to be doing that 1500+ a day and get almost nothing anyway.
Webnovel users will almost never go off-site, so it's a horrible platform to find patreon subs.
Webnovel promotions as a contracted author will massively increase your fan base. Webnovels bottom line is to make money, they want your novel to be successful so they can get their cut of the novel and increase users on the app.
They don't even want to pay you MGS, they rather your novel make over 200 a month so they don't have to. So you will get promotion to increase your fan base when you go premium. Old authors always complain that new authors get all the love, because they really take care of you when you first sign to make your novel profitable.
First weekly feature doubles or triples your collections when you go premium. That's right, when you go premium they will basically gift you a large fan base with their in-house promotion. Building a fan base is the hardest thing to do as an author. They will handle that step for you so you can focus on writing.
The people that like, comment, and stone a newer novel are an entirely different userbase than the people that are willing to pay for it. Go look at any newer premium novels and compare fans (paid subscribers) to power stone rankings and you will understand. You haven't met your fan base yet, the majority of them are silent.
Top webnovel authors post much more than the 1500 words a day for MGS, and they make good money to match their efforts.
If you want to be popular on Webnovel the only way is to post a lot of chapters a day, or set up mass releases. Author of Mech Touch Exlor does 6k words a day. JKSManga author of MVS does 6-7k words as well.
They are outliers but most successful authors do 2-3k min a day. If you can't do 1500 a day being a WN author isn't the field for you, that's just the reality of the job.
At the end of the day it's up to you to choose the best path forward for you. WN has the biggest user and subscriber base that spend money on webnovels. If you want to get experience as an author it's a great thing to contract your first work.
Amazon and Patreon both require large fanbases to be successful with. Something a new author doesn't have. WN gives you a clear path to build a fan base and make money as an author.
On an ending note, the people that cry WN contract is unfair usually aren't authors to begin with. So their opinion on the subject is worth less than dirt. I've never seen a response that calls the WN contract barbaric actually give a well thought out plan of how to "do better" than contracting with webnovel for a new author.
All they scream is lul patreon or lul kindle unlimited, when both of those are very difficult markets that require heavy fan bases to even participate in. Yes, if you were an author with a huge fan base then Kindle/Patreon would be a viable option for you, but even then WN offers different contract terms to people that already have fanbases to have more quality content on their platform.