I noticed webnovels are heavy telling than showing, I'm confused if it's okay or not; I'm an author who does more tell than show. I know the saying, "show, don't tell", but does this applies to webnovel? Is it necessary to show as novels do?

(Those who don't know what show, don't tell is, it's basically like this:

Tell: Her heart filled with sadness
Show: Her chest tightened, holding back her sobs.
(Example not mine, but this is basically Tell. The red flag is the word " with", a tell word just like with the word "in")

But as you notice, there are many novels on this site that did this...so I was wondering, is this really alright for you as a reader?

    If the events are rather small, like talking, 'tell' is more appropriate to use. However, in emotionally heavy situations, 'show' is the more appropriate style used.

    This days however, most of the novels I read uses 'tell' too much, to the point that the novels I'm reading are just stories, not actual stories anymore... I don't fell much of the emotions anymore. Even some really sad or painful scenes are just told... Like, they just happened. That's all.

    Anyways, I prefer 'show' more... For some emotions just can't be described through words......... .... ... ...

      Cowshed

      Showing is better than telling from a storytelling perspective. It will almost always be longer though. My general advice is to show and not tell, but sometimes you just need to get information out quickly. If anything, you want to balance these two concepts based on the perspective and importance of what you are saying.

      Perspective is often overlooked in bad stories. If your telling a story from the perspective of one character, then you can’t just tell us how a different character is feeling. This is because the point of view character can’t read other characters minds. They can only report what they see or think, so all of the other characters have to show their feelings or say them in direct speech. Your main character can just tell the reads how he/she feels/felt because it is their story.

      Importance can be another way to choose between the two. In general, the more important things should get more words because they are important. This means that you can get away with just telling the reader things they need to know if lesser importance/impact while showing them the more important/impactful things. Let the reader be fully immersed and experience the big things and just tell them the small things.

      Hope this helps a bit…

        I did a 1 min search on Google and found that showing is better in writing in general.
        If you're curious, just type, "are novels meant to show or tell."

        Don't do what the Lord of Mysteries authors second book did. I dropped because this guy word-padded the fuck out of the novel.

        You have to combine them and understand when to use them. You don't need to show everything.

          I think there's a confusion of the difference between showing and telling here.

          Tell: Her heart filled with sadness
          Show: Her chest tightened, holding back her sobs.

          No, that's not the difference. Generally, when people advise writers to show and not tell, they are referring to situations where the author simply tells people about the qualities of something rather than show it, and expect the readers to accept the description at face value even though the later scene contradicts it.

          E.g. Tell: "Mary Sue was the most intelligent girl to have existed. She graduated from XXX Academy, had three PhDs, a pilot's license and was a genius who won the Nobel Prize."

          Nobody cares about that. Telling us your character is intelligent doesn't do anything other than telling us the author's intention for the character...and then they tend to ruin it by having their characters do something incredibly stupid anyway, which contradicts what we were told. Like Mary Sue swaggering about arrogantly, insulting someone and getting into a fight for no reason. What kind of intelligent person does that?

          No, the author is supposed to show how the character is intelligent through the character's actions. Maybe have a scene where Mary Sue is working in a lab. Or have a scene where she solves a problem (maybe she looks at a crime scene, analyzes the clues and identifies the culprit, but don't skip those steps - make sure you have those descriptions).

          Another example is this:
          Tell: "A war happened here. It was violent and many people died."
          Yeah, like we are supposed to care about that when the scene shows a character idly musing to himself in a supposedly wartorn zone (what the f is he doing there?) and composing poetry while feeding birds. Show the violence and deaths. For example:
          Private Johnson screamed as he ducked down, the roar of the missile above drowning out his voice. The next second, he found himself hurled forward by a shockwave. As he rolled to his feet groggily, he saw James cut apart by shrapnel, his body disappearing into a mist of blood. Two meters away, Rick staggered as bullets punched through his armor and into his body, doing a slow dance before he collapsed.

          Johnson was beginning to regret ever enlisting in the army. The recruiting brochures had never mentioned that war would be so violent, so brutal. They had promised glory and honor. But there was no honor to be found in the battlefield. Only death.

          It's all right to tell us what emotions the characters are feeling. For example, Johnson can be screaming in fear - that's perfectly fine. No need to "show" us by describing how his pulse was racing, how he was shivering, how he went pale, etc. That's just descriptions. The point of the scene was just to show the violence, not take it for granted that the audience will listen to whatever you say. I mean, it's not even necessary to show the scene (that was just an example). Having a character step into the aftermath and seeing burned out husks of buildings is more than enough. Or rows of homeless people huddling together. The point is that if you want to tell the readers that the war was violent (example), then make it matter. Don't tell the readers that a violent war happened, and the next scene the character is just strolling through a park of the supposedly wartorn city and feeding birds.

          Showing and not telling usually refers to author pushing or projecting their intentions onto the reader and expecting us to accept their statements, only to contradict them later. Like, "Oh, the character is smart. Oh, the war was tragic." But then we don't feel it because the character does nothing in the story to indicate that he/she is smart or nobody seems particularly affected by the war.

          But that doesn't mean you need to describe every single thing like emotions, feelings, visuals, images, etc.

            Tomoyuki
            Completely agree with this. There's nothing better than when a book makes you feel visceral pain or experience anxiety just from reading some words. Showing is honestly freaking amazing when its done well.

            I sound like an M, I promise I'm not 😅

            Nah, you're not an M. Most people prefer reading stuff that really immerses them in the book and descriptions can really help with that.

            I think the issue of "show, not tell" in webnovels is especially glaring because authors keep telling us how talented and powerful "arrogant young master X" or "Elder Y" or "Old Master Z" is, gives us tons of descriptions of what their cultivation realm or level is, a dossier of their achievements, victories, skills, techniques (which they claim are difficult to learn), only to have the protagonist beat them up in less than ten seconds or curbstomp them instantly.

            If these young masters are really talented, show us. Not tell us how much of a genius they are, only to have the protagonist instant-kill them in a single paragraph because...how do you expect the readers to believe they are a genius then?

            Or the descriptions of how Jade Beauty X or Princess Y have this divine physique or whatever talent or is an unprecedented genius who every man wants to marry, only for them to always get beaten up and need the male protagonist to rescue them (an excuse for them to fall in love with him). So much for being a talented genius.

            These are the biggest problems in webnovels, which is why people generally bring up "show, not tell."

            I mean, the authors really love showing how beautiful all the heroines are. Jade Beauty X being the most beautiful girl in so-and-so Kingdom, plus paragraphs of her long, silky hair, snow-white skin, jade eyes, gorgeous curves (and something about their hips or buttocks or breasts)...and do you think readers care about that? No. After showing us the hundredth jade beauty heroine in a 1,000-chapter long story, people get sick of the authors showing off their heroines.

            So the real issue of show, not tell is the constant projection of authors' intentions, only for them to contradict what they told us later. It's not about being more descriptive. It's about being consistent and immersive, and to have the descriptions actually matter to the story.

              Tomoyuki
              I call it a cheap win. The author is trying to set up a big stake to get us to root for the mc without actually putting in any work to earn it.

              Saying the young master is the best at this and that, then having the mc beat them, is much easier to do than actually showing the young master being good at things.

              They won't do that because then they actually have to think of an plot for the story, and these kind of books generally don't have any plot.

              If they build up the young master well enough to actually be a threat, you'll start to realise the main character isn't all that great, because they're actually a self insert for the reader and have zero personality aside from being really horny

              As for the jade beauties, its because the author can't write women aside from their physical descriptions (because horny) and paper thin personality because (did I mention horny?)

              Its just lazy writing in general 🤭

                EternalNightLotus Exactly. Totally agree. It's lazy writing in general. Showing takes a lot more work than telling...but it's not as if the authors can't put in the work - they are motivated only by their horniness. Heh.

                I think people are fed up with lazy writing more than they want the author to show, not tell.

                shadowdrake27 Thank you. I'm still a beginner author, so balancing isn't my forte...I'll guess I'll just practice more...Thanks for the advice, helps a lot.

                Misguided_Rooster Haha, that's true. I have a love and hate relationship with it. The author sometimes uses tell too much(Probably bc of the deadline and fast update, like 2 chapters a day...There's probably no time for edit from show to tell.)

                Tomoyuki Hello, your advice isn't wrong, but I think there's a misunderstanding here. There are actually types of show, don't tell. Type of tells: Emotional Tells, Motivational Tells, Stage Directional Tell, Passive Tell, Descriptive Tell...What you mentioned is actually infodump(which is another tell)

                And the aforementioned example I mentioned is emotional tell...You can learn more of show, don't tell by reading — Understanding Show, Don't Tell: And Really Getting It — By Janice Hardy...Hope this helps.

                  Tomoyuki Omg, I agree with you. I'm sick and tired of this paragraph 🤣

                    Cowshed Whoops, sorry. Yeah, you're probably right. I'm thinking of another thing.

                    I don't just mean info dumps (?), but also throwaway descriptions that don't matter to the story. Like in my example, why does it matter to the story if the protagonist is smart? Telling the readers that your character has x personality or y quality is pointless unless those personalities or qualities matter to the plot. Why does it matter if the heroine is beautiful or if the hero is smart? Does the plot require the hero to outthink his enemy, for example? If that's the case, then you're better served writing a scene where the hero outwits his opponent rather than simply telling the audience he is smart. Or CEO stories - if the heroine is beautiful, why does her ex-fiance/ex-boyfriend always cheats on her and dumps her for her stepsister/best friend, why is the bloody CEO so cold and absusive toward her - and if she's so beautiful, can't she find a better guy (pretty sure she should be able to attract a lot more men than just a cold and abusive CEO) to help her with her revenge? I mean, the CEO evidently doesn't care if she's beautiful anyway, so why does it matter?

                    Edit: I found out why it matters...because the female lead is always an actress/model/high profile fashion designer. Doesn't explain why they always get cheated on and dumped by their first boyfriends/ex-fiances, though. Or why the CEOs always choose to marry actresses/models/designers when they always claim that they don't care about beauty and appearances.

                    The problem with many webnovel authors is that they say one thing i.e. the hero is intelligent, and then have him do stupid stuff like pick fights with hoodlums or act recklessly (charge into danger head-on). Or they say he's handsome and give a long description about his blond hair and blue eyes and clean features (why does this matter to the story?) but the story is about fighting monsters (how come he has no scars then? And why should we care if he's handsome, it's not as if it helps him fight better). The same thing with jade skin beauties, but they live in a world where people fight to kill each other everyday and the strong eat the weak, and somehow none of the heroines have any scars. Oh, and the best one: The "brave" female lead who the author claims is not easily bullied, but somehow throughout the story she lets the CEO abuse her without fighting back. I'm not sure if that's info dump, but you're right, it's probably different from any of the tells you mentioned. Sorry!

                      Tomoyuki

                      You are talking about inconsistent character traits. It’s a huge/frustrating problem. In my mind this is something different from telling vs showing. Authors need to make a character trait sheet or something to make sure they aren’t writing crap characters to fix problems like this.

                      Telling is stating things bluntly for the reader to read. Showing is creating a scene where the reader can infer information without being told directly. It is much more involved writing that basically puts an extra burden on the author to create a thought/feeling rather then telling the reader what to think/feel.

                      I’m too lazy to make examples, but generally telling is very quick and lazy writing. Showing is usually more involved as the writer takes their readers through a scene to convey complex emotions. Information dumps (a form of telling) are usually very bad and boring.

                      The biggest problem is that people typically put information dumps in the beginning of their story, so the first thing they do is list a bunch of “facts” about their story or fictional world that puts new readers to sleep. It would be better to start with some sort of exciting scene or action that shows what people in the world can do. Even if an info dump is required, putting it later in the story is better because you want your opening to be very catching. Then, you can explain the scene in more detail later or spread your information dump out over multiple scenes to make sure the readers understand how the world works. It’s why so many stories start with a scene and then have a flash back to explain it.

                      Also, character descriptions have to be telling because you can’t really “show” physical traits that well. You can weave the physical description into some sort of action to break it up and not make it an information dump, but you can’t really “show” what a character looks like in writing.

                      Basically, showing vs telling comes into play with how you manage information. Are you lazy and just throwing information at the reader, or are you taking the reader on an immersive journey where they learn about your world with a character?

                        shadowdrake27 Oh, yeah. That's probably what I'm talking about, but I don't think making a character trait sheet works. In fact, I suspect these authors tend to throw all the traits they wrote in their character sheets into the descriptions, telling the readers how smart, strong, brave, handsome, etc. their characters are. Most of the traits are excessive and unnecessary - I think John Truby mentioned this in his book on how to write. Many authors make the mistake of adding as many traits to their characters as possible, but it doesn't give the characters depth. Instead, most of these traits are extravaneous. And pointless, given that the characters don't act like how their traits are supposed to be. Like in my examples, supposedly "smart" characters doing reckless things and getting into fights for no reason, or "brave" and "strong" heroines allowing their CEO husbands to abuse them.

                        If I'm not mistaken, Truby actually suggests you create characters and their traits based on the story you're writing. It's more organic that way. What is your story about, and what are your character's goals? Design the traits and personality based on those. Is it a story about a young man trying to cross the Atlantic? Then he should be adventurous. How does he end up on a boat to the Atlantic? Was he escaping from debtors? Then make him cowardly, and maybe over the course of his journey he learns to brave dangers and becomes a courageous man. You don't need all the other unnecessary details like he's handsome, or he's smart (well, depends - does he use his intelligence during the journey? Or is there someone to guide him?), or he can juggle, or whatever. If they aren't relevant to the story, you can mostly leave them out. Because, quite frankly, no one cares if he can juggle unless it's somehow crucial to his survival across the Atlantic.

                        So there's nothing wrong with telling readers about character descriptions. The issue is making them relevant to the story and consistent. Instead of telling us a character is brave or smart in the text, have a scene where the character does something brave or smart, otherwise it's just an empty and untrue description. Like, the protagonist jumps off a ship to rescue a drowning passenger. That says a lot more about his courage than a simple sentence of "Sam is a brave person." I honestly don't know if having a character trait sheet works, but I think it's simply better to stick to an outline of the story itself and let the character organically develop from there.

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