KingDerp
- Sep 4, 2019
- Joined Jan 16, 2018
BigMike72 Not really, at this time I honestly just want the EU to ban qidian from operating on EU territory.
Since it is obvious that tencent/Qidian/Webnovel has and never will change their mo.Are you really that daft'd that you don't think that this Privilege scheme is anything but a cheat? Same goes for all the other platforms that use similar schemes to pluck cash from your pocket.
In all seriousness I'm not angry or upset, I knew this was coming from back when Qidian forced the translators who were doing the translations to stop or move to their platform, from there they then went on to introduce ad's /SS to read chapters. And well now we have the newest scheme for a fast cash grab.
If you honestly can't see past your own interpretation of my words and see the truth of the situation then I have nothing more to say to you.
Look at the big picture here mate, don't be petty.
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BigMike72 This has absolutely nothing to do with money.
I was misled but not stolen from.What else do they call it when a multinational company breaks EU trading laws ? Although English might not be my first language I don't think its wrong considering the context.
Regarding online 'micro' payments the EU has been surprisingly efficient lately, I honestly don't know what will happen. But if they do agree with the fact that Qidian is the dominant firm in the market then it is a clear cut breach of article 102 of TFEU.
I will put the legal parameters here so you can see what i mean.
Exploitative abuse:
This type occurs whereby a dominant firm using dominant position to exploit consumers without losing them through conduct like price increase and production limitation.The breach for this clause would be increase in SS price for said pre paid chapters already, then again when the customer has to pay monthly to gain access.
Excessive price:
Price set significantly above the competitive level. Article 102 explicitly bans unfair pricing which has been understood as to cover the excessive pricing. The charged price must be excessive and unfair to be abusive.This breach has to do with how the marketing price of Privilege chapters is priced at in the Qidian china app. 0,1 Yuan per chapter roughly.
Again this is up for discussion but the facts don't change that this is super shady and in all probability falls under a breach of article 102.
Why would the outcome matter to you anyway? Best/worst case scenario the EU forces qidian to lower their prices or quit marketing their products in EU territory.
It is never really bad for the consumer when the big multinational companies get chastised by the governing body, in most cases it is necessary to have a fair and open market....
That notwithstanding I am still a paying subscriber to said 50 privilege chapters.
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BigMike72 I am not pursuing this as a personal matter, I have however logged a formal complaint to the EU trade commission about a breach of EU trading policy, which will hopefully result in the EU suspending Qidians right to sell their product in the EU.
I am merely reporting a firm that has in my and my legal counsel's opinion breached the TFEU.A civilian is never libel for reporting a firm to the governing body for a breach of trading law.
Are you not familiar with trade law my friend ? Because it looks like you are just a generic qidian paid commentor.
Fact remains that Qidian(Webnovel) are the dominant firm in webnovels, and they are abusing said position for monetary gain, which is a criminal act under TFEU article 102.
Piokilek Since you are either unable or unwilling to actually look this up yourself.
Here is an extract from article 102 of TFEU.....Exploitative abuse:
This type occurs whereby a dominant firm using dominant position to exploit consumers without losing them through conduct like price increase and production limitation. There is no legal definition of ‘exploitative abuse’ under Article 102 but it can be taken as ‘any conduct that directly causes harm to the customers of the dominant undertaking’. Without barriers to entry, the market is likely to be self-corrected by competition because monopoly profits will attract new competitors to enter the market. However, the Guidance does suggest that the Commission will intervene where the conduct is directly exploitative of consumers (for example, charging excessively high prices).Excessive price:
Price set significantly above the competitive level. Article 102 explicitly bans unfair pricing which has been understood as to cover the excessive pricing. The charged price must be excessive and unfair to be abusive. The test used was stated in the United Brands case that whether the charged price has no reasonable relation to the economic value of the product supplied and exceeds what the dominant undertaking would have obtained in a normal and sufficiently competitive marketCKtalon
But that is the exact problem here, a dominant firm is NOT allowed to act like private contractors...
Here is an extract from article 102 of TFEU.....Exploitative abuse:
This type occurs whereby a dominant firm using dominant position to exploit consumers without losing them through conduct like price increase and production limitation. There is no legal definition of ‘exploitative abuse’ under Article 102 but it can be taken as ‘any conduct that directly causes harm to the customers of the dominant undertaking’. Without barriers to entry, the market is likely to be self-corrected by competition because monopoly profits will attract new competitors to enter the market. However, the Guidance does suggest that the Commission will intervene where the conduct is directly exploitative of consumers (for example, charging excessively high prices).Excessive price:
Price set significantly above the competitive level. Article 102 explicitly bans unfair pricing which has been understood as to cover the excessive pricing. The charged price must be excessive and unfair to be abusive. The test used was stated in the United Brands case that whether the charged price has no reasonable relation to the economic value of the product supplied and exceeds what the dominant undertaking would have obtained in a normal and sufficiently competitive market.- Edited
Big_Boy Exploitative abuse:
This type occurs whereby a dominant firm using dominant position to exploit consumers without losing them through conduct like price increase and production limitation. There is no legal definition of ‘exploitative abuse’ under Article 102 but it can be taken as ‘any conduct that directly causes harm to the customers of the dominant undertaking’. Without barriers to entry, the market is likely to be self-corrected by competition because monopoly profits will attract new competitors to enter the market. However, the Guidance does suggest that the Commission will intervene where the conduct is directly exploitative of consumers (for example, charging excessively high prices).Excessive price:
Price set significantly above the competitive level. Article 102 explicitly bans unfair pricing which has been understood as to cover the excessive pricing. The charged price must be excessive and unfair to be abusive. The test used was stated in the United Brands case that whether the charged price has no reasonable relation to the economic value of the product supplied and exceeds what the dominant undertaking would have obtained in a normal and sufficiently competitive market.According to the EU trade legislation webnovel are in breach on article 102 of TFEU.
The fact that this business model is considered legal in China does not mean that the EU will tolerate it.
It begs the question of what will happen when this is brought to the attention of the EU trade commission.klmorgan
Exploitative abuse:
This type occurs whereby a dominant firm using dominant position to exploit consumers without losing them through conduct like price increase and production limitation. There is no legal definition of ‘exploitative abuse’ under Article 102 but it can be taken as ‘any conduct that directly causes harm to the customers of the dominant undertaking’. Without barriers to entry, the market is likely to be self-corrected by competition because monopoly profits will attract new competitors to enter the market. However, the Guidance does suggest that the Commission will intervene where the conduct is directly exploitative of consumers (for example, charging excessively high prices).Excessive price:
Price set significantly above the competitive level. Article 102 explicitly bans unfair pricing which has been understood as to cover the excessive pricing. The charged price must be excessive and unfair to be abusive. The test used was stated in the United Brands case that whether the charged price has no reasonable relation to the economic value of the product supplied and exceeds what the dominant undertaking would have obtained in a normal and sufficiently competitive market.XOMatsumaeohana read article 102 of the TFEU
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A formal complaint has been filed via my legal counsel, as a breach of the TFEU. See article 102.
Agreement clauses have nothing to do with international trading laws.
I just talked to my lawyer and I was told to say this, if it is a per month service that I am paying for then it is for access to 50 new advances chapters per month. Since if that is not the case you have broken both the EES trading deal and the EU fair trading deal. Now I have already contacted my lawyer with the wish to proceed with this as far as I can, this is straight up an Asian money scam, which btw are ILLEGAL in the EU
It is illegal in the EES trading area/EU to sell the same product twice to a consumer.
So now you tell me how your company is going to fix this.WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL I just talked to my lawyer and I was told to say this, if it is a per month service that I am paying for then it is for access to 50 new advances chapters per month. Since if that is not the case you have broken both EES and Icelandic law, and I am able to sue.
It is illegal in the EES trading area and iceland to sell the same product twice to a consumer.
So now you tell me how your company is going to fix this.I just talked to my lawyer and I was told to say this, if it is a per month service that I am paying for then it is for access to 50 new advances chapters per month. Since if that is not the case you have broken both EES and Icelandic law, and I am able to sue.
It is illegal in the EES trading area and iceland to sell the same product twice to a consumer.WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL I just talked to my lawyer and I was told to say this, if it is a per month service that I am paying for then it is for access to 50 new advances chapters per month. Since if that is not the case you have broken Icelandic law, and I am able to sue.
It is illegal in the EES trading area and iceland to sell the same product twice to a consumer.
So now you tell me how your company is going to fix this.- Edited
CKtalon I just talked to my lawyer and I was told to say this, if it is a per month service that I am paying for then it is for access to 50 new advances chapters per month. Since if that is not the case you have broken Icelandic law, and I am able to sue.
It is illegal in the EES trading area and iceland to sell the same product twice to a consumer.
So now you tell me how your company is going to fix this.