ChuYang The problem of WN community arise from 3 aspects:

Lack of proper medium - unable to message the authors or other readers, people need to stick to commenting each other posts, making it troublesome.And this forum is INSANELY unusuable for anyone, making it hard to stick with certain topics. If you don't see a response there for 2 days, it's forever burried.

Ranting - People like you who are trying to bring some point are insanely rare here. Only with someone like you as a base, we can build a proper community, yet you can only make a single post at a time, while ranters who wants more free stuff will simply flood you out. That's also the reason - most of the contracted authors actually activelly advise to stay away from this forum because of how toxic it is, opting to make their own discords and enclose themselves within their own readerbase and coatuhors.

3 - I forgot but I'm to lazy to change the number above.

Cantiara

China and copyright infringement is pretty much the most iconic duo. As fans of their culture, we just wanted to follow in their footsteps.

Edit: Came back to add that I love China and am just spewing nonsense for the sake of the argument. Praise be to our Chinese Overlords!

Cantiara well I never know that it was a pirated one, I just downloaded it from my android phone today since most of my favorite novels are there, it didn't came to mind that it's pirated since I did the same thing when I started to download this webnovel last 2018. I am a premium user as well as i used more than 10k worth of coins here. It's dissapointing that I can't continue to read my favorites due to high rise of fast pass needed in 1 novel. As I have been reading novels here for a long time it's normal that I got a lot of novels that I been reading for a while now and until now it's still ongoing. I understand that novelist/authors needs to be compensated for their efforts too that's why I have been buying some ss then. Of course when you buy books even used ones you know in the end you will be able to finished the book but this novels I am paying for now you don't even know when it will end. So i am asking for people to give us some slack on voicing our dissapointments so they can come up with solutions to this issue.

    MotivatedSloth Nah mate, I give up. You can have it. I'm not gonna respond to your "logic". I quoted, and showed, others can decide. I see no reason to argue with a block of wood. It's Christmas so have a gift, on me. For free.

    Sythcake You know, every weekend I would go to my local gaming store. I would hang out with kids there, have games with them. I would treat them to food and drinks every week, buying each of them a can of soda or snacks, or even a burger for dinner.

    But there are months when I can't afford to. When I have to pay taxes, or I bought a bunch of stuff and ended up having less money than I thought I would have for the rest of the month. Whatever the reason, I don't buy them drinks or snacks on that day. I still hang out with them. But the kids don't go up to me and demand, "hey, where's my free drink/snack?" They don't go up and tell me that they are upset that they now have to pay for their previously free soda and snacks themselves if they want them.

    And these are 14-year-old kids we are talking about. Funny how they are more mature and less entitled than the readers whining here.

    So yes, the people who are whining about having their free stuff taken away are entitled. If you don't want to pay for the stories or translations, then don't. But don't think that translators and writers are entitled to translate or write for free just because we used to be super-generous. We grew up, we found out that we have to pay the rent, we discovered that it was not sustainable to put in hours of labor in writing and translating for free, we realize that there a lot of better things we can do with our time than to translate or write for people who aren't actually repaying us at all. If you don't want to pay for stuff, that's fine. But don't go around acting as if we are obligated to write and translate for free just because it was so in the past. We found out that generously providing free services aren't sustainable, aren't going to put food on our table, and aren't going to pay the rent.

    So why are we obligated to continue putting in hours of translating and writing for nothing in return, just so you can have your daily fix of free entertainment like before?

    Reading all these posts makes me really glad that the kids I meet in real life are a lot more mature and nicer than the entitled commenters online.

      Tomoyuki We all have our own opinions in the matter, nothing anyone can do about it. Besides we are all humans, we have our own likes and dislikes about the subject.

        rainedear111 It's dissapointing that I can't continue to read my favorites due to high rise of fast pass needed in 1 novel.

        Hmm, I think you're misunderstanding something about the system here. Could you please tell me how do you think the fast pass works?

        If you're a premium user and have been using SS (now coins) to unlock chapter, it stays the same (except for the part where they don't offer you bonus coins anymore when you purchase coins). The fast pass is only an extra that you get to unlock a non-privileged premium chapter for free.

        And of course, you can rant, that's what the forums are for, for people to share opinions, but expect that there will be differing opinions as well. So, don't get upset when someone counterargues, and don't take it personally. It's just the internet :)

          rainedear111 When a locked chapter appears on another site unlocked - that's no rocket science figuring out that it's piracy going on.

          It's not that I don't get your sentiments or understand your situation. I do. However, we have to try and understand the other situation as well.

          We don't know stuff. Some authors here might have this only way of earning. They are giving up their rights for the life to earn some amount here. You understand how severe giving up your all rights is? One of the main reasons can be that they are in dire need of money because trust me, every writer loves his/work enough to think a lot of times before even considering giving up his/her right on her story.

          Now, if people go and read stuff for free on pirated sites (which is too uncool to accept in my opinion), what is that author going to earn? What is the point of him/her going premium, giving up their rights? There is no point and no, MGS money is truly not enough.

          Piracy can't be accepted. I guess more than the writers, the readers should be the ones standing against the pirated content. We respect the hard work of writers, don't we? I am sure we all do. We respect everyone's hardwork and when we do, none can accept piracy doesn't matter if it is about the text, images, videos or any other thing for that matter.

            A lot of serious leaving talk. Maybe WN rolled out too much change in one go. šŸ¤”I've mentioned somewhere else. They could've communicated things better.

            When peeps mention Greed, I can't help but think of Greedfall now. šŸ˜„ That game is seriously addictive.😳

              Cantiara I dont care about differing opinions it's their point of view. I am just concerned at how I can read more privilege chapters without paying so much. I can read till 50 or 100 chapters of new novels but what's the point if at the end of the day you cant even read until its completion. Your views are your own I am reaching out to webnovel to be more considerare like they did before in giving more free gifts for check ins and bonus .

                rainedear111 what's the point if at the end of the day you cant even read until its completion.

                What do you mean with this? Why can't you read until its completion? I really think you're misunderstanding something about the system here. But I'm not sure what. Because you still can read your favorite novel until its completion, whether or not you purchase privilege.

                Veronica8 Tell me about it... @WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL if you read this... You need to up your game in communicating with your users... Forget the ranting free readers, but there are a lot of confused readers who don't even know the difference between points and coins and EXP, and I think you have to give @The_Cheese a medal for patiently answering them one by one! No, better yet, give him free coins, so he can read his comics!

                  Cantiara I'm sure when you cut and try to undertand only that part you will misunderstand. Anyway thanks for your time don't think too much of it. Sometimes simple words are being mistaken as too complicated.

                    corales Except when the quality drops on a locked chapter. What do you suggest then? I think Qidian is at fault there, they probably stole chapters translated by someone else and then their translators ruined it.
                    If food in restorant is shit, I can get refund in most cases. Here? Not likely.

                    rainedear111

                    Sigh... I was not arguing with you, I was trying to help. But it's fine... Have a nice day :)

                      rainedear111 thank you for suggesting (ą¹‘ĖƒĢµį“—Ė‚Ģµ), but as much as I want to read the novels outside. The fandom just prevents me from doing so— the hilarious and insightful paragraph comments (that’s what I live for) , how could I let go of that :laughing:

                      :wave:

                        Lol šŸ˜‚ dont mind my silly suggestion I didn't know that it's a pirate novel app my bad. Anyway I saw you started last year here too. Yeah the thing that kept me here is my interactions with other readers that i been messaging in our reading ventures with novels we read along the way too.

                          I am just going to end my words here by saying - don't promote pirated sites. Don't support pirated sites.

                          Piracy is illegal and not something people should support. It hurts to see your story on a platform you didn't put it over. It leaves the authors feeling helpless that no matter what, this would never stop. It is infuriating that the thieves, yes that's the exact word for them, feel not a slightest bit of shame in stealing others' content and putting it on their sites without even bothering to seek a permission but wait why am I even talking about that? Thieves don't ask you before stealing your stuff.

                          Don't read stuff if you are on a tight budget. I know it sounds awful but if we like a particular thing in a store and we don't have enough money to spare on it at the moment - what do we do? We wait. We wait. We do not go and take that thing temporarily by supporting thieves who steal it.

                          burntpotato Lol šŸ˜‚ dont mind my silly suggestion I didn't know that it's a pirate novel app my bad. Anyway I saw you started last year here too. Yeah the thing that kept me here is my interactions with other readers that i been messaging in our reading ventures with novels we read along the way too.

                            Why need to move when we still can read for free?

                              MotivatedSloth So you say you spent 110 usd, while using ALL possible bonuses. Okay, let's count it. As far as I remember, before the last update, you could get up to 40ss/day (10 daily on average+5+5 for both votes, +10 for ad and 10 for multiplier), meaning that you used up 1200free ss just from daily missions. I will intentionally leave the weekly reading and weekly bonus out of that, cuz I have no way to properly factor it. That means you read 11 000 + 1 200
                              = 12 200ss worth of text, meaning that it was more or less 2 440 000 words (since there are times when you pay entire SS for less than 200 words, factor those bonus coins from reading and weekly bonus here). You said it was 700 chapters? That brings us to a point of about 3.5k words per chapter, and no way in hell they would cost only 6ss(cents) per chapter, as that wordcount equals about 18ss/chappie... UNLESS YOU GOT 60% DISCOUNT. So you got on average 30times worth of normal novel, while paying about 3.6$ for a single 80k piece of work.

                              This whole math DISREGARDS the free chapters at the start of the novel, only from my benevolence, cuz if I were to add let's say 100 free chapters to the numbers, that would mean that a single chapter was even longer.

                              And I can definietly disagree, I know that I'm male so I deserve to die according to modern line of leftist thought, but I survived on instant noodles and frozen pizza (exactly 2ounds worth of insta food daily, 3 noodles per oound and frozen pizza per pouind) for 2 months straight, losing about 15kg at that! (not that I would recomend this kind of diet, my stomach almost stopped working when I came back to my parents sweet sweet home where the food was ample)

                              First, I did say the math was wrong. Second, regardless of free chapters, bonus SS, et al, I still spent 110 USD on half of a webnovel. Third, I also said I didn't regret it. Fourth, why bring up sexism when none was stated in the first place? o.O Fifth, almost killing yourself by eating that diet is not a good argument. XD But I'm happy you survived it.

                                MotivatedSloth I honestly gotta ask, do you promote selective reading or are you just THAT much of a mook.

                                First off you jumped down MY throat about self entitlement, that's what my post to say was about since like shay my initial post was about HOW MUCH IVE SPENT HERE.

                                You also threw alot of other accusations my way and I'M the conceited one?

                                Like Shay my spending on Wn with th top up this month has crested a grand, canadian. So 110 usd plus free currency for me was actually 220 or more given exchange rate.

                                So as a PAYING CUSTOMER having some selective reading pissant up in my grill over Xmas leaves me less than respectful.

                                So merry Christmas motivationalmook and shove your holier than thou opinions UP YOUR ASS.

                                  Darth_Xiane Just let that Sloth be, he is entitled to be always right. So far what i have read and seen this Sloth is defending WN against any negativity, calling others entitled cause they are free readers etc. Nevertheless it's fun to see him ranting around though.

                                    TL_Shay

                                    TL_Shay First, I did say the math was wrong.

                                    Oh come on, lemme indulge! Math is the only way to prove something to majority of the kids on the forums.

                                    TL_Shay Second, regardless of free chapters, bonus SS, et al, I still spent 110 USD on half of a webnovel.

                                    While I find that unlikely, it is true that WN shuffles their offers, promotions and prizing to the point I can't even follow (shrugs). But 110$ is still far off 500$ mentioned at the start of Darksomething rant

                                    TL_Shay Third, I also said I didn't regret it.

                                    Good for you then? I'm glad you enjoyed it!

                                    TL_Shay Fourth, why bring up sexism when none was stated in the first place? o.O

                                    Oh, come on! Others are allowed to rant all they want because the amount of literall free candy got smaller, but I can't bring anything as nonsensicial into it?

                                    TL_Shay Fifth, almost killing yourself by eating that diet is not a good argument. XD But I'm happy you survived it.

                                    Thanks, was kinda tight on budged and sick from oversmoking green tobacco. Cons of working 2days/week in Uk :D

                                    Darth_Xiane

                                    Darth_Xiane I honestly gotta ask, do you promote selective reading or are you just THAT much of a mook.

                                    Ad personam, not gonna bother. That's below my level.

                                    Darth_Xiane First off you jumped down MY throat about self entitlement

                                    Imagine this scenario, you buy a car and demand a whole house to be included, despite the price clearly stating that its only for car.

                                    Does buying a car makes the company owe you a house? No.
                                    That's why even if you paid anything, you still aint entilted to any freebies, you can only count on WN generosity to recieve it.

                                    Darth_Xiane You also threw alot of other accusations my way and I'M the conceited one?

                                    The first time I even noticed your existance was when you replied to my first big post while calling me names.
                                    Sorry, but just like I said in many other topics, I don't care about the entirety of the topic and I'm either replying DIRECTLY to the people mentioned, or to the general theme of the topic if I don't mention anyone. Sorry, but in my eyes, you weren't even worth the effort to insult for no reason, like, playing around with math is way funnier for me. That only shows how much you overestimate your worth. Sorry to break it up to you.

                                    So to sum this point up - I didn't even mention you, yet you feel insulted for some reason and started insulting me? Yes, you are the conceited one.

                                    Darth_Xiane selective reading pissant

                                    Again, ad personam, why do I even bother? Eh...
                                    On WN, I'm reading only 3 books. WHen they will be finished, I might move to others. Why? Because as someone with actual life, duties, and chapters to write, I simply don't have enough time to waste so much time on low quality story that are good as mindless entertainment. If I want to read something good, I'm just looking up the list of good authors that I love and buy one of their books, simple. But looking how you act, I think I can safely bet that I read WAY more stories in my life than you did (considering how I used to read 3-4 books WEEKLY, back before I even graduated middle school. While the quality was nonexistend for big part of them, I still love some of them to this day.)

                                    So all in all, calling me selective reader is kinda wrong in the very meaning of those words. And all the insults that you are packing your posts full? Well, that only shows who you are, not who I am.

                                    Darth_Xiane leaves me less than respectful.

                                    It's our own actions that define who we are and how we will be taken by others. If someone steals from you, that doesn't entilte you to steal from others. Even if I ever insulted you, if you fight back in this way, you are showing that you are on that level. ANd just FYI - I never did insult you, because you are not worthy as much of my attention as to care about abusing someone like you.

                                    Darth_Xiane motivationalmook and shove your holier than thou opinions UP YOUR ASS.

                                    Come on! You paid so much for the wn books, so you ought to read a lot! I believe you can come up with something more creative!

                                    All in all, thanks for providing the entertainment for the authors discord and my own, hidden discord community. You even won 2 spots in the hall of fame!

                                    Zhinoy

                                    Zhinoy he is entitled to be always right

                                    If I'm wrong, I will always admit it. Back in Einlion thrashing days, I even outright told that my entire argumentation could be overthrown by a single line of text, as long as one figured it out. IN this thread alone I admited to 3 mistakes that I made. Anything else to say Mr. Patointeligent?

                                    Zhinoy this Sloth is defending WN against any negativity

                                    Nope. I don't care about the changes in WN schemes. I'm a free user so no matter how much I hate it myself, they have the right to shove anything they want down my throat, but it's up to me to swallow it or not. I'm only negative towards people that think they are entilted to anything. That's what pisses me off, because I need to deal with this kind of mentality everywhere out in the streets of my country.

                                    Want to understand it?
                                    Some time ago, governing party implemented like ~130$ monthly for every child. You just need to go to the office and you will recieve it. Now, single mothers who never dirtied their hands with work are demanding to create a new taxes for childless people and increase this social program to ~260$ because they are entilted to it.

                                    First hour that I'm working in fulltime goes fully for that program right now. That quickly teaches you to hate it.

                                    Zhinoy entitled cause they are free readers

                                    Calling others entilted because they act entilted. I'm free reader myself, game over.

                                      MotivatedSloth You talk alot, maybe it’s time for you to create your own story here on WN, who knows it might be a good hit. As far as i know, people like you are pretty amusing, literally jokes, the clowns of arguments here on the forum.
                                      Anyway i will let u be, talking to people who writes a book as a reply isn’t my cup of tea.

                                        This thread is both disheartening and funny to read at the same time. This truly does not matter at the end of the day. Soulless Corporations will do whatever they can to make $$$ (they have that right as well). Just like readers and users of this platform can express their sentiments on any new policy or idea Qidian makes. If said company does not take heed of current sentiments, it will eventually fall behind the trends and fall into irrelevancy. Do not belittle the free readers on this site as they make up a large majority of the numbers, that keep this ship up and running. Overall, I don't care enough about this site or company to have any strong feelings on the matter. So I'm going to continue to read what I feel, makes my day. Regardless of any restrictions Webnovel places.

                                        Zhinoy The joke is on you, fella. MotivatedSloth is already a contracted writer with a story that's in the top 200.

                                        So before you start attacking people, make sure you get your facts right.

                                          MotivatedSloth
                                          Actually I probably can read that fast. I don't really read word by word when I read novels, specially so if i'm in mood. Its not bland monotone academical text that needed to read every single alphabet to make sense anyway. I still remember binge reading 2000+ chapter novel in 5 days recently. I won't argue your other arguments though because i don't buy coins. Dollar is effing expensive where i live 1=2700....

                                            MotivatedSloth No offense but the bonus is not for everyone, only for third world countries apparently. Outside of the current Christmas bonus, I get 0 bonus coins on a purchase (30% before they removed even those bonus coins), so yeah for me it is 0,02€ per coin and it is very expensive as I can't unlock my premium chapters with fast passes.
                                            If they don't discount coins permanently or drastically reduce premium level prices I will simply stop buying premium and abuse fast passes. I used to have enough of 50€ per month to read my 3 novels where I have premium (total 5 chaps a day ~40/45coins + 3100 coins of premium level) by combining the monthly rebate + 2500(+750bonus) coins bought + the daily free ss (25/35). Now if they remove every way to get bonus coins without increasing what you can get by paying (even decreasing it) well I will just stop paying.
                                            In the end, everyone loses out of this deal.

                                            750coins bonus out of 50€ purchase : gone
                                            25/35 free coins daily from check in/votes/ads total ~830 coins per month : gone
                                            35 free coins weekly from reading activity total 140 per month : gone
                                            Monthly rebate on premium expenditures 1085coins : gone? I don't know yet, but I highly doubt they will keep it since they even removed purchase bonuses.
                                            Total, as a paying user, I lose ~2800 coins compared to the previous month. So saying that this update doesn't affect paying users is being delusional, we are by far the most affected by this update.
                                            I've always been a supporter of the idea that nothing should be free, but let's face it, asking paying user to pay even more while there is a lot of free users who abuse multi accounts and friend invites to get everything for free is a dick move.
                                            They should simply remove every single way to read for free past chap 100 and put a 10/15€ monthly subscription.

                                              DarkRay Well... that's true. I've got readers reading my 650k word novel in FIVE DAYS, that means, she conquered 130k words per day.

                                                Rak0 True, some people can binge-read really fast or for dozens hours straight. I read Harry Potter Book 5 in 2 days, but I think people who read so much like us are not the rule, but the exception.

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                                                  Khana

                                                  It's nice to know that Poland is considered 3rd world country then xD

                                                  Just a joke though, I actually do realise that our currency is sht, so it would be hard on us to actually pay more.

                                                  It was on my mind for a while to do the price comparasion, where I would leave WN in terms of SS, so everyone could calculate it for themselves, while dissecting prices of other sites, books or even amazon.

                                                  And as far as I know, they intend to slowly introduce the subscribtion back, they just need to figure out a way for it to not affect the smaller authors.

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