StarveCleric Way too many people are coming in preconceived notions, intending to only voice and emphasize their personal opinions time and time again instead of conversing.

And what do you think conversing is, if not for voicing their personal opinions?
this is i quote from dictionary.com
converse; verb (used without object), conversed, conversing.
1. to talk informally with another or others; exchange views, opinions, etc., by talking.

You might not realize this, but people already have their opinion on this. The forum is more like a platform to see whos got the same idea and who doesn't, to change the opinion on a forum there is little to none you could do, except provide facts, opinion based on facts, good grammar, and some nice pun (which didn't work on this forum).

      Oxy

      They can use a monthly subscription instead of the milk cow one

          GregLuck I have phrased my words badly. I meant to emphasize "time and time again -> repetitively like a tape recorder".
          There's quite a difference between converse and voicing one's opinion in the definition you gave. Voicing is a one-way thing, conversing is a two-way thing. If all you intend is to voice your opinion, doing it once is more than sufficient. If all one is trying to do is to enforce one's opinion on another instead of attempting to persuade with "facts, opinion based on facts, good grammar, and some nice pun" on here (assuming that those who are here are concerned and hope to possibly make a change with their views), it'll just turn into a debate like this "Pikachu is the best pokemon" "No, Charlizard is the best pokemon" "You dumbass, Pikachu is clearly the best pokemon" "Screw you, Charlizard is obviously the best of all".

          The main point isn't really to convince others, but to come to a mutual understanding and possibly compromise, or simply agree to disagree.

          EDIT: Alright, fine I get how conversing involves the exchange of opinion, but I think the point is clear here.

              StarveCleric There is no facts about the premium known to readers. More than a month has passed and the staff did not answer a single thread about premium in the forum, with a concise and clear answer about our doubts and concerns. All I saw was translators and editors defending the system and insulting the ones that can't or won't pay for it. So all we can do in our arguments is voice our opinions because there is no facts to argue about. You are saying all we do is voice our opinions but you did the same. You gave your opinion and give ours.

                  Lomacris For the translators and editors insulting the readers who are unwilling or unable to pay, I can only say shame on them.

                  I am not saying the voicing of one's opinion is a problem, but we are going nowhere if we are just going to disregard the argument of others and emphasize the same opinions over and over again. Of course, I am not saying everyone on the forum is like that, but there have been quite a bit of that on the forum. At the very least, I think my responses are based on the arguments that others have built. I don't ask you to agree with my point of view, but I introduce new perspectives for everyone to view the matter with in hopes that they can see the rationale behind my stand better. I believe that this is how a discussion should proceed on.

                  I am not too sure about what concerns and doubts those on the forum have regarding the premium, so I may I ask about it here? If it's within my means, I'll try to answer them.

                  And regarding the point about there being no facts to argue about, the main issue I take with that is when people make assumptions without stating them under such circumstances, and others simply assume them to be true and quote them on it. It is much easier to spread false news than to squash them, I believe many can agree with me on that.

                      StarveCleric
                      Pretty sure most political discussions these days go like this anyway... Regardless, your analogy is flawed in that you are comparing someone exercising their right to free speech against translators, who risk losing their income with any negative comment they make regarding Qidian or their policies, a comparison which I believe is greatly misleading.
                      However, I agree that we should not completely discount a translators opinion, rather we should treat their comments as an extension of QI's position on the subject, as opposed to a completely personal and unbiased account of their own.

                        Let's say if I wanted to reach LOTH with unlocking before FREE chapters catch me.
                        Let's make an elementary math.
                        Let's say LOHP is ended at 1100. (You know it won't ended at 1100,right?)
                        and Premium program start at 600.(after removing initial free chapters i can get for this week?)
                        500 chapters x 14 ss (the last chapter I checked had 14599 words in English)
                        7000 ss (around 50 $) and you know the novel is not ended yet.
                        And if the release rate is still the same 14/week for 500 chapter it will be 35 week (around 9 month) for me to finish reading while paying.
                        If I don't unlock chapter and go with FREE release rate 7/week? 70 week(1 year and 4 month) for me to reached to Chapter 1100.
                        And I don't only read one webnovel alone.
                        Let's say I will have to spend 50$ for 1 webnovel I read, I will have to spend 500 $(in 9 month) for 10 webnovels.

                        May be it isn't that much money for other people but I can just buy 40 famous translated works or even yenpress ones(13$x40).
                        Yes I already had some of these books.
                        Yes I have my living expenses and some other hobbies too.

                        Well, I am just blabbering something coz I am bored.
                        May be I will have hibernate the whole year and binge read FREE chapters again.
                        I still have free spirit stones so actually I can still read some titles here.
                        May be I will buy around 1-10 $ when I am out of SS.
                        I will have to quit reading each and every FREE book I see.
                        I still like LOTH tho.
                        I just wish there are more suitable payment program (more cheaper one preferably)

                        Threetimess 400 SS for about 40 chapters with 2-3k wordcount, for a total of 80-120k words, which is the average word count of a standard published novel as well. How much does 400 SS cost? 8 usd. And that is on top of the free 30 SS you get a day, the free chapters, and the occasional mass release.

                            TargetPractice1 Hmm.. maybe you're right, but I think (could be wrong) that was right before it became premium so that was in preparation for it. I don't believe free users saw even one week of that release rate before it became premium.

                                Oxy Yes, 400ss for 40 chapters, that's about the same you have to spend for a fantasy paperback. But you get a physical copy without fillers or repetitions and a properly revised translation. The digital versions are even cheaper, especially when you use subscriptions like kindle unlimited and you read >2 books per month, which is not much.
                                PS: you don't get free chapters once you start unlocking premium chapters and the free ss are negligible if you wanna read multiple premium novels.

                                    Oxy i never see translator in qidian ever mass release, except when that novel become premium for the first time.

                                    i only pay 10$ for netflix and i can watch all i want for 1 month in my country, but i need to pay much much more to read novels here dude, are you crazy?

                                    I already told you, i want to help translator and author too, i can even pay 10$/month if qidian really make this happen, but i want to read all the chapters for free, not like this. I have 12 novels in my library right now, can you imagine how much i must pay to keep reading the latest chapters if all 12 become premium? (this will become reality soon or later)

                                    The only way for me is only reading 1-2 novels and paid hundreds of dollars to read the others

                                    or i can go to piracy site and read all i want

                                    So, basically qidian make the readers go away, even for readers like me who can afford to pay.

                                    because this system is really really really expensive if you are a hardcore reader like me (have more than 10 novels in library).

                                    Do You know what will happen with novels that not too popular? no one will bother to read them because we must make a choice if many more novels will become premium in the future.

                                    We don't really got impacted for now, because only 1 premium novel in my library right now (library of heaven path), but the situation will become uglier in the future

                                    And for your information, i live in South East Asia (Indonesia), 10$ a month is expensive for most people here, because average income/month in my country is only $450.

                                    So, this system is really broken for me, and i will keep reading here as long as i can, when more novels in my library become premium, then good by forever, i can still read on another site

                                      Yakumo
                                      $9.99 a month like Kindle unlimited ebook subscription is much better deal for readers.
                                      If qidian want they can make 2 section: some books publish free while most popular novel are in subscription system.

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