Mute It has not switched to royalties yet and is still a fixed pay though there is an inclination to shift towards that soon. He just lost patience waiting for that to happen. In my opinion, it's KurazyTolanzuraytor loss and EFT's gain.

Besides, one should make a short time/monetary investment to wait to see if Premium actually works out before switching fully to a royalty contract (giving up guaranteed fixed pay in the process). Since he was unwilling to risk that short 2-3 month investment, it's really his loss.

Besides Sunny is the person in charge of translators/editors, so it is in her job scope to handle @KurazyTolanzuraytor's matter, not Yuren.

    CKtalon I'd say it's our loss really since now other translators have to get assigned to pick up the slack which means less chapters of a different novel.

    EFT has lots of translators waiting for titles so no worries about that. We will not be decreasing the release rate on any of our novels. Some novels that slow down in release rate may be due to translators facing rl issues. We don't wish to swap translators unless really necessary either because it is a lot of work to standardize everything.

      KurazyTolanzuraytor I'll be sad to see you go 😢😢😢. WSTTH is one of my favorite book. Good luck on your new adventure and thank you for all the fun you have brought with your books. Keep us posted. 👍👍

      KingBiBiK 100% The reason he dropped WSSTH and quit Qidian, it's because the story is written by someone's ass, not a pen not a keyboard, but an actual ass.

      AD system would've worked out better, 20% of pateron to authors, 70% for Translators, 10% to charity or Qidian...
      AD system didn't work out, because the idiot who implemented it, put ads on the last two chapters and remove them next day, or pay 4 spirit stones to skip, it's like a company creating adds, while at the same time, giving their clients their own AD-block, then the company starts complaining... WHY ARE WE NOT GAINING ANY MONEY NOOOOOOO!!!
      ADS should stay on the freaking chapter for ever, and no skipping, here you go, aprox, there's like 10K+ chapters on this website, and you have a huge "Reader base"...

      ButterLover From what I know, it's working out. So not really a problem.

      Also, ads are very easily calculable, even if you ad-wall every chapter. It's not reaching the amount enough to allow translators to earn according to market rates, and if that happens, how are authors going to get paid. How is Qidian going to afford this entire setup?

        CKtalon Hmm, having so many novels might be becoming a burden because of the fixed pay. After all, people with interest in reading these kind of novels are a limited resource. At some point, instead of attracting more people, it will instead start thinning the herd for each novel. People can only read so many novels with the limited time they have...

        KurazyTolanzuraytor Hey Josh, I wish you the best of luck in your further projects. To clarify all your concerns first, Sunny is the right person since she handles all translator and editor relationships, instead of Yuren. I don't see any unprofessional practices in this case, frankly.

        Secondly, according to your comments, both Sunny and Yuren replied you in few hours. I believe all of them showed you due respect. It's quite impossible to demand an instant response.

        Thirdly, all the details were laid out in your initial agreement, nothing was hidden or violated from our side. In addition, the advanced chapters (Patreon) were bonus money for all translators who work for QI until the particular work joins the Premium program. This is not a new rule that you were never informed initially. All QI TLs know this rule clearly from the very beginning. Don't forget that you agreed to that initially.

        Fourthly, translators need money, and looking for better offers is 100% okay and understandable. You are always free to quit. However, in a professional setting, I believe you should have informed us earlier, like 7 days in advance. Oh, if you check the contract, you will see a clause that requires the translator to provide 30 days notice if the translator decides to quit, and you initially agreed to this too. Unfortunately, in your case, you did not even give us an entire day to prepare. I would say this is rather unprofessional. Despite such acts, we still wished you good luck in our personal chats, right? None of us blamed you or said anything nasty. I'm really disappointed in what you posted in this thread.

        Last but not least, don't forget we did not get a single cent from "your advanced chapters" from Patreon until we released Premium and enforced not having advanced chapters on another platform. You had received almost a year's worth of bonus money, which you shared nothing with either of us - the copyrght owner, or the author. Premium is the system that allows authors, translators and us to benefit together. Unfortunately you did not have the patience to wait another few more weeks.

        As for Patreon, yes, you are probably able to get more because you don't have to share anything with authors or the copyright owner. If you consider the split among all three parties, how much do you think you can keep in your pocket? As for the WW, from what I know that they will only give 30% to the copyright owner (except QI because they are actually violating the agreement which never allowed them to monetize the translations except ebooks on specified ebook platforms). Usually the publishers like Zongheng or 17K, who grant the license to WW, would also split another half of the revenues that they receive with the authors. Basically, authors can only expect up to 15% maximum in royalties from translations. Do you really think it is a fair deal to authors? We can't comment about authors who work for other platforms, but we—Webnovel or Qidian—won't do such things to any of our authors. We will directly split the revenues equally among authors, translators and us. We admit that we need profits but we would not hurt our translators or authors. We don't believe that making a fool of authors or translators would work in the long run. Best of luck to you and all authors whose titles have been abused by the monetization practices of WW.

        PS: WW is still translating MW and ED, as well as many more unlicensed novels. They have even put those two titles into their in-house Patreon/advanced chapter system. They have also monetized many unlicensed KR novels. If that is not copyright infringement, then what else is?

          WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL PS: WW are still unlicensed translating MW and ED, and even put those two titles into the in-house Patreon system, also monetized many unlicensed KR novels. If that is not a pirate infringement, then what else is?

          What does this have anything to do with Kurazy leaving?
          It's worth noting Talisman Emperor which Kurazy translates on wuxiaworld is licensed. Please don't conflate the two just to muddle the waters.

          You are just coming off as a jealous ex-girlfriend.

            CKtalon t's not reaching the amount enough to allow translators to earn according to market rates,

            Hrmm, I wonder if a patreon system might have allowed translators to make up the difference so that they could be competitive at market rates?

              checkm8 Premium is the (modified) Patreon system...

              Users who pay pay lesser for many chapters compared to the traditional Patreon tier system but as a result, there has to be some sacrifices, such as the lowering of release rates, which at 1/day is still fairly respectable.

              There will likely be future expansions such as the increase of release rates if certain goals are hit.

                CKtalon Besides, one should make a short time/monetary investment to wait to see if Premium actually works out before switching fully to a royalty contract (giving up guaranteed fixed pay in the process). Since he was unwilling to risk that short 2-3 month investment, it's really his loss.

                First:
                WSSTH went premium two months ago. Isn't that the "short 2-3 month investment" you mentioned?

                Or maybe you are talking about the Premium Program overall which is in its fourth month?

                Second:
                This is another sign of how bad QI's management really is. Translators are required to give up existing sources of revenue, something they spent months or even years building yet QI has no intention compensating them for their lost revenue. Not even giving them a slice of the premium.

                Maybe your "short 2-3 month investment" really means 'work cheap'?

                It really does sound like QI is jealous that translators are making a profit when they aren't.

                Third:
                This is a problem all of QI's making. Why didn't they simply create an in-house patreon? In that way, they could get a slice of the action. It would have avoided the translator exodus that appears to be starting to happen.

                QI still doesn't appear to recognize that quality translators are essential to success.

                  WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL If your logic is correct, how does this concern you? 😄

                  You foolishly posted this on a public forum. If you hadn't posted on this topic it would have simply blown over. Your bitter post is keeping this discussion alive.

                  But then again, discretion isn't a word I would associate with webnovel postings.

                  Seriously, hire some competent PR people. Learn when to keep quiet.

                  CKtalon
                  How is it a suitable replacement if translators dont get a cut from this new premium system like they would have on patreon?
                  The moment such a new system is introduced should also be the moment where earnings start to be shared.
                  Saying things like wait a few months/weeks and maybe you get a share from SS system doesnt feel sincere to me.
                  If I would work my ass of to translate, than see my revenue cut by a large margin and another party takes all the "bonus revenue" without giving me a share from day1 i would also be pissed.

                    checkm8 Yes, that is the 2-3 months. I'm not referring to the entire Premium Program.

                    That's the wrong mindset. Patreon is not even supposed to be allowed. Qidian could have banned it from the beginning, but out of goodwill allowed them to have their own Patreon, offering advanced chapters. So which is better? Totally nothing additional or months of additional Patreon income, while a few months break in between before royalties (something sustainable) come into place.

                    If Qidian was jealous, they could have banned everyone from having a Patreon account even before they go Premium. They even created a Patreon button for translators on the novel's page. So what are you talking about?

                    Qidian understands that technical difficulties prevent in-house Patreon to be created instantly. It is also this reason that they gave translators the right to run their Patreons till it became in-house, which is the Premium Program. Again, you are also thinking in the short term of a few months. WSSTH has 3000 chapters and ongoing. That will easily last a translator 2 years. To give up 2 years of sustainable royalties for a 3 month wait is just shortsighted in my opinion.

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