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Ask and you shall receive.

I'm not going to talk about that professionalism stuff about those replies since we obviously have different views to the matter.

Thirdly, all the details were laid out in your initial agreement, nothing was hidden or violated from our side. In addition, the advanced chapters (Patreon) were bonus money for all translators who work for QI until the particular work joins the Premium program. This is not a new rule that you were never informed initially. All QI TLs know this rule clearly from the very beginning. Don't forget that you agreed to that initially.
Last but not least, don't forget we did not get a single cent from "your advanced chapters" from Patreon until we released Premium and enforced not having advanced chapters on another platform. You had received almost a year's worth of bonus money, which you shared nothing with either of us - the copyrght owner, or the author. Premium is the system that allows authors, translators and us to benefit together.

I joined both the Patreon comments to make it easy to reply to.
Yes, we were told it was temporary until advanced chapters were brought in-house, but can you honestly call a cut of release rate advanced chapters
Now lets talk about the circumstances of this goodwill.
- At that time, most good TLs were asking for a raise because we found out trash TLs like Noodletown were being paid more than us for trash.
- Instead of giving us a pay rise, Patreon was given instead. Now, please don't tell me that was goodwill and not a method to move risk to TLs while reaping other benefits and not increasing your budget.
What benefits?
- Motivation to TLs to translate more, carry out events, and make their own novels successful.
- Increase in speed and quality because TLs had a source of income that depended on their speed and quality, and this directly contributed to making the site more successful while creating the fanbase of those novels which you can use later on with the current premium system.

Fourthly, translators need money, and looking for better offers is 100% okay and understandable. You are always free to quit. However, in a professional setting, I believe you should have informed us earlier, like 7 days in advance. Oh, if you check the contract, you will see a clause that requires the translator to provide 30 days notice if the translator decides to quit, and you initially agreed to this too. Unfortunately, in your case, you did not even give us an entire day to prepare. I would say this is rather unprofessional. Despite such acts, we still wished you good luck in our personal chats, right? None of us blamed you or said anything nasty. I'm really disappointed in what you posted in this thread.

I honestly don't see anything that threw as much mud on you as your post did to me.
Besides that, i left you with almost 50 chapters which can almost cover a month, and I asked Yuren if he needed anything from me, meaning I would have been happy to do a further 20 chapters to get it over the month.
You're also ignoring the fact I've done 880 chapters in a single year which by the contract's minimum equals to doing over 3.5 years of work. So, i believe my notice is adequate, but you're welcome to have a differing opinion.

Unfortunately you did not have the patience to wait another few more weeks.We can't comment about authors who work for other platforms, but we—Webnovel or Qidian—won't do such things to any of our authors. We will directly split the revenues equally among authors, translators and us. We admit that we need profits but we would not hurt our translators or authors. We don't believe that making a fool of authors or translators would work in the long run.
According to what you and CK have said previously, I have to wait another 2-3 months. :)
Let's break this down further.
SS was launched in February. Meaning you would have started coding it a few months before hand.
Another 2-3 months from now would be June or July.
So, you knew you were doing this way ahead but failed to implement a simple system to track the usage of SS and make a contract for over half a year?
If lawyers and web devs took half a year to do such simple things, they would be out of business by now.
I don't see how any of this supports and I quote "We can't comment about authors who work for other platforms, but we—Webnovel or Qidian—won't do such things to any of our authors. We will directly split the revenues equally among authors, translators and us. We admit that we need profits but we would not hurt our translators or authors. We don't believe that making a fool of authors or translators would work in the long run."

      Saying "we will share the money with translators and authors" is meaningless. That's exactly what i say when my mom asks me to clean my room or study for exams. "I will, mom." Trust me, it never happens.

      If you want your employees to be happy, give them what you promised before you go digging into their pockets. Happy translators means more chapters which means happy readers, and thus, more money. What's not to like? It's a chain. Break the chain and you'll get whiplash (don't ask me why chains would cause whiplash, you don't wanna know :| )

        WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL
        Look, I’m just a cake covered in cookies, so I don’t know the intricacies involved in PR, but I think you might be doing it wrong. At the very least, the person using the Webnovel account should use a personal account and become the ‘community manager.’
        Official accounts should be used in official capacities, never in arguments.
        You don’t want to see the logo and the first thought to be; “Oh....petty, and easily goaded.”
        Your words represent the entire site is all I’m saying.

        Idk....just a cake.

            KurazyTolanzuraytor Hey Josh, I'm gade you replied with all your concerns. Let's talk about them one by one.

            According to your comments, you admitted that you agreed with the deal that Patreon advanced chapters will be taken down when your book enters the Premium Program. It means we didn't lie, or hide anything from you.

            In your Patreon, there were many advanced chapters available for purchase. The chapters on Webnovel.com (who owns the rights on both original titles and translations) remained far behind. If those chapters could not be defined as "advanced chapters", what else are?

            Based on the agreement that we signed, you agreed with what we offered at that time, right? It means you accepted that offer; and there was no coercion at all. In that case, whatever we offered to others, it doesn't really matter with your deal. You agreed to a flat rate and later, you are complaining about it one year later. That is what is unprofessional.

            Again, as I mentioned in my previous comments, you are always free to quit if you wish to. You didn't do so until we required you to take down your Patreon advanced chapters. I can only simply assume that you wanted money more than any other matter. To be honest, it's no problem at all, pursuing better conditions can never be wrong. My concern is that you should inform us earlier, at least earlier than 1 day. It doesn't really matter with how many chapters you have in stock because all the chapters in stock have been paid. There is nothing about stockpiles in our agreement, am I right? The clause requires translators to provide 30 days notice. If you really wished to end well, you could have easily let us know in advance, and post a decent announcement to all readers, but not something in this thread.

            Now, let's talk about the "good will". If tens of thousands of dollars that you earned (remember we didn't get even a cent of it, while still paying a flat rate for each of those chapters at the same time) over the past year could not be called "good will", then what is?

            If you doubted our goodwill, why didn't you refuse our deal prior to us taking down all advanced chapters on Patreon after the in-house system was set up?

            Again, wanting more money is never a bad choice but you have to do so in decent ways, moving forward. Unfortunately, you chose the worst one, lamenting about your previous partner who paid you for all your works and gave you a chance to earn tens of thousand of dollars.

            My last suggestion, do respect the agreement and laws that you signed. Be a gentleman.

                Abysswalker Totally agree. That's why we talked to all our translators when the Premium system was being introduced. We promised all of them that they can convert their contract from flat rate to revenue sharing in the very beginning. The selection will be always on their hand. The problem is hard because there is an entire internal auditing system, revenue sharing calculation system, contract changing since there are so many internal matters which are hard to describe to the public. I believe many of you know the pain of a company when it's getting large, especially when it was listed about half a year ago.

                  WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL We understand, it's the bitter ex-girlfriend mentality.

                  Don't forget every other translator or prospective translator will see your argumentative and how bitter you seem to be. It's not a good look.

                    "It means we didn't lie or hide anything from you."
                    You didn't show anything for it either. The SS system was supposed to make translators money too, from what i gather. They haven't gotten anything yet.
                    Also, the one month notice period is to ensure that there aren't any problems before the new team takes over the old one's work. Kurazy already gave you enough chapters to last for a month. What more do you want from him? A lap dance? His first-born child? :unamused:

                    WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL
                    In my country there are many book witth a few version of transalations . If I would translatebook and don't sell my translations you can do anything with it even if i publish it in website you don't have right to steal it and claim that its yours .

                      Also, dude, seriously. He's using the name "Kurazy" for a reason (privacy). Calling him "Josh" every time you answer him totally defeats the purpose. How can you not realize something that simple?
                      There's a reason all the TLs and EDs use pseudonames, be it WW, QI or GT. Respect that.

                      WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL
                      Thank you for addressing what I said to the extent that you felt comfortable with and not the entire reply I gave you. I noticed you didn't address a few key points. I hope you do spend some time to answer those crucial elements.

                      I'm sorry but did you read and understand what I said previously? Because, frankly, some of your replies have misunderstood and strayed far from anything I said.

                      WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL In your Patreon, there were many advanced chapters available for purchase. The chapters on Webnovel.com (who owns the rights on both original titles and translations) remained far behind. If those chapters could not be defined as "advanced chapters", what else are?

                      KurazyTolanzuraytor Yes, we were told it was temporary until advanced chapters were brought in-house, but can you honestly call a cut of release rate advanced chapters

                      I was talking about how advanced became premium with a lower release, and it's pretty clear in that line.

                      WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL Based on the agreement that we signed, you agreed with what we offered at that time, right? It means you accepted that offer; and there was no coercion at all. In that case, whatever we offered to others, it doesn't really matter with your deal. You agreed to a flat rate and later, you are complaining about it one year later. That is what is unprofessional.

                      When did I ever complain one year later in my post? I simply said it's not worth my time any longer. Do you understand what the word complain means? Complaining would be something along the lines of saying "They're too cheap and aren't paying me enough." All my post said was that I was unhappy and didn't value the pay any longer, so i sought my own way out.

                      WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL My concern is that you should inform us earlier, at least earlier than 1 day. It doesn't really matter with how many chapters you have in stock because all the chapters in stock have been paid. There is nothing about stockpiles in our agreement, am I right? The clause requires translators to provide 30 days notice. If you really wished to end well, you could have easily let us know in advance, and post a decent announcement to all readers, but not something in this thread.

                      My announcement was factual and spoke nothing that was in any way harmful to QI. I simply stated my reasons for wanting to move on.
                      Besides that, I've said that I've dropped it, but that doesn't mean I can't do those 20 chapters if you want me to. It's just an announcement that formally notifies everyone of my departure.
                      All you had to do was say, "The stockpile isn't enough, please do the 20 chapters as agreed upon before leaving."
                      By the way, if you want, I can still do it now. Feel free to let me know if you require any further chapters as per the contract, I promise the quality will be as usual because I take my work and reputation seriously.

                      WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL Now, let's talk about the "good will". If tens of thousands of dollars that you earned (remember we didn't get even a cent of it, while still paying a flat rate for each of those chapters at the same time) over the past year could not be called "good will", then what is?

                      If you doubted our goodwill, why didn't you refuse our deal prior to us taking down all advanced chapters on Patreon after the in-house system was set up?

                      In my opinion, goodwill is something done without any extra motives. But, you're right, I did receive a good sum of money which I've never denied. All I was saying is, don't paint yourself to be kind and pitiful while throwing mud all over me when you had something to gain from it.

                                    Come on @WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL just let the guy leave in peace. You talk about him being a gentleman and yet you behave like an immature 12 year old. Even if I agreed he was not behaving in an appropriate manner, you still should not stoop down and fight on his level. However, I do agree with his POV and here is why. He has provided quality translations all the way and not once said anything about not getting what he deserves, especially since he is translating one of the most popular novels on this site. Of course he wouldn't feel like he is getting paid fairly. You had the chance to finally play the honourable man and give thanks for his hard work and effort over the past 700+ chapters he has translated, and thus put a quiet dampener on this issue, and maybe raise it in private with him so it would be easier to sort out the issue and get him to take back issues which you think are not completely reflective of the situation, but noooooo, you had to open that big fat mouth and throw shit at a person's turned back. Unprofessional from a lenient point of view, and disgusting and abhorrent from a reader's perspective. And @CKtalon , I used to be a huge fan of you because you seemed like a chill guy and consistently pumped out quality translations, but don't be a prick. As a translator for Webnovel, you are the bridge between the 2 parties and could have provided an objective view and thus resolved this issue, but you just had to suck the boss off and gang up on a fellow translator. Lost most of my respect for you, and I truly hope that this isn't what you are actually like, and maybe that somehow, its a long day or Webnovel are requesting you to help out or something, because god forbid you are doing this out of your own volition or wish to suck up, I would hate you, because someone has done this to me before, and it stung like hell and I never trusted people the same again.
                                    Analogy: An alchemist, thinking himself too unskilled to join the Alchemist guild, seeks to join a Sect instead. Over time, the sect provides him resources, and the alchemist still continues to hone his skills, seeking to join the alchemist guild as it is his ultimate goal. By the time his alchemist skills are at a high enough stage, a conflict breaks out between the guild and the sect, putting the alchemist in a dilemma. Unwilling to give up on his dream, the alchemist secretly joins the Alchemist guild, unwilling to let the sect find out as he is indebted to them and wishes to continue to help them. While the war dies down over time, the guild and the sect are still on bad terms. Finally, the alchemist sees and opportunity, and wishes to leave the sect and join the guild. Just before he leaves, he concocts a large batch of pills for the sect, so that the sect still has some resources while searching for a different alchemist. While he leaves, he writes a paper on how he is leaving for the guild because it has always been his dream and that the sect simply wasn't providing him enough resources. However, just as he walks through the door to a new life, the sect announces that he is guilty, while the sect is innocent. It tries to use sophistry and paints the alchemist in a bad light. The alchemist argues back, and as common cultivators see this, they try to support him, but the sect refuses to give in in order to save FACE. The alchemist, however, does not suspect another alchemist, who worked together with him in the sect, to point his finger at him and start accusing him of crimes against the sect. Sounds familiar? Yes, because our dear Webnovel, is the embodiment of the very sects our awesome face-slapping MCs face-slap, while the accusing alchemist is dumped by the sect to plead for forgiveness from our MC, or tries to murder our MC and gets murdered in return, or enviously watches on filled with regret as the leaving alchemist ascends to greatness with our MC. So please @WEBNOVEL_OFFICIAL and @CKtalon , stop this embarrassment, and give in slightly, and so will @KurazyTolanzuraytor will as well. Good night

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