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web novels aren't really good in general. firstly, they all have the same cliches.
reincarnation this, transported into another world that. i have read at least over 50 web novels.secondly , thin character depth. every single f*king MC has the same personality. MC = every single good trait. i just want more from writers. tropes in the characters personality is a good thing. i want actual character development. some novels have character development. but. it's not enough. writers, i need saturation. tomb raider is a good example. in her origin story they did a great job of how the mc that was really fearless in the games we see her in. that this wasn't always her natural self. she built that confidence slowly. and that was because she was nervous. she only do things that she knows she can do.

let's say your writing is an orange.
what i want is a lemon.
lemon's are much stronger than orange's which mean stronger taste
while orange's are.... u get the point.
secondly, character's strength. in nearly all web novels. The mc never loses a fight. i have seen 2 or 3 books where the mc has lost a battle. but it is a rare sight to see these days. what i don't want to see is an OP mc who never loses and has no negatives. i would just skip the fight knowing the mc would win while the little side characters squabbled on how strong the mc is. it's getting really annoying at this point

thirdly and lastly is the actual events of the book.

i'll just write a short story for u and u'll see what i mean.

my name is li dingdongchingchong. i am a poor boy. i found this magical cube with powers unseen before. it then gives me awesome powers. i kick some booty with it. one of the sugar daddy's sons i killed got mad with me. he sends out his minions to deal with me. i kill them and then i find lot's of goodies from them. he is salty.
he comes to kill me but then i slam dunked on him and broke his neck................. and his ankles. he then dropped some more op stuff.
then rinse and repeat

the exceptions that are good
shadow hack - it's so bad it's good
library heavens' path - it's just fkin funny
martial world - it's an old classic
and some other's that are good

if u think u got a good book that i like or ur mad that i just slamdunked on webnovel. don't be mad. if ur angry at me in the replies then i won't respond.

u wanna know what thwe worst ending is?

i woke up and it was all a dream.

bandicoot879 yeah I get that too.
Every novel has "weak to strong" and never lose a battle. They all get power and all other things just shoved up their a**.

That's also why I wrote an original which is different from that.

Even though the most popular original is the same: overpowered from start and never loses. No struggle at all.

I kind of lost interest in most novels because of that. And by the way: I'm sure if you make that short story of yours a novel, people will love it. Why? I don't know.

https://www.webnovel.com/book/10343178605010205/I-Won't-Kill-Myself-for-the-Second-Time

Give this one a try. It starts with a cliche of waking up in someone's body but there's a lot of mystery at the beginning and it deviates from it around ~5-10 chapter and by 20 chapter fully spreads its wings. What's more, it should be exactly what you want:

Mc personality is bad, but he tries to change slowly.
Mc starts not even close to the word op, more like zero.
The action is set in a slightly alternative modern world.

But remember

There's no cultivation.
Forget about marial arts.
It's a mix of slice of life, action, mystery, fantasy, supernatural

I don't want to spoil too much, but check out some of the reviews if you're not sure if it's worth giving a try.

I wrote this novel exactly due to the reasons you've mentioned because I was bored with super op mc's from the very beginning, flat characters with no development, mc's 'yes man' army following him, and winning every challenge on the way without breaking a sweat.

Also the problem with Mc being too arrogant thinking that they are better then everyone else. OK we get you guys are genius but you don't have to say it in every chapter. Also is just plain narcissistic that Mc consider themselves as genius when they are reincarnated and have all the memories and know better martial arts then some younger generation but as soon as they fight some.older generation they complain about how the seniors are bullying the younger generation. Which is weird considering that they themselves most of the times from an even older generation.
Not to mention about all women who fall for them because they are so talented and handsome that those women lose all reason. Come on, why can't we get a women who turns down the Mc and says screw you self.

The cliches you mentioned are the characteristics of popular web novels, they have these cliches because that's what many readers ( or at least new readers) like.

If you are a more seasoned reader, I would recommend the following as they are quite different compared to the norm.

Thriller Paradise
Throne of Magical Arcana
Pivot of the sky (not on Webnovel, you have to search at Novelupdates)

SRandom yeah i know what ur saying. im just saying the populkar books and in general. but the throne of magical arcana is a very good book. i like it

Bro i think you will be a good author if u make novels? Why dont you try one?
Try making novels of what you said :3

I agree. Most web-novels and even light novels start off with a reincarnated person that's supposed to be some kind of shut-in or social outcast, and the first thing they do is meet a benevolent God who grants them a cheat ability and get overpowered almost immediately.

It cuts out a lot of the tension, period, and they never lose a battle. Not only that, but they supposedly get really good relationships with girls and ladies for no reason, despite the fact that they're supposed to be people who were never really capable of having friends.

There's seriously a large amount of cliches to be found with those kinds of stories, and I did write my current webnovel as an attempt to divert those common themes, as hard as that is. I'm hoping I'm doing it right at the very least...

Sadly those cliches and things are well-received.
Novels which have those cliches (or some of them) are very high in the rankings and that is undeniable.

bandicoot879 Recomendation https://parahumans.wordpress.com
Its a superhero Webnovel it is western so I don’t know if people will really like it but it’s a nice read and it’s finished.

It depends on context really. If a cliche is overused, sure it's boring. But there are some authors, that purposely use these, to evoke a change in their character. Spoilers for ISSTH

ISSTH made Meng Hao start from the bottom to become strong, which is the originator of cliches to be honest. Then at the later stages, it shows how he feels grief, he becomes a mortal, and finally after reaching the top, becoming indifferent to the changes that occur. After a few years of watching his friends die one by one, he finally achieves enlightenment. It really captures the struggle he goes through, even though he has all that power, he in the end, can't stop his friends from suffering t.

So in short. Authors need to be given time, to show people that their MCs can evolve. It just needs time and the audience needs to have the patience to go through the end with them.

But just my 2cents.

I read novels just for a little entertainment, unless the novel is REALLY GOOD and interesting, giving me motivation to read it with love, I don't want the MC to have any flaws or lose fights (even more so in cultivation novels, where that fight would be insignificant for the future MC).

Chunchunmaru_sama Not this again, man... we're in 2018, stop, this is ridiculous.

Chunchunmaru_sama wtf

Everyone wants to be their friends, seriously, if they exist, even if they give me the opportunity I would never be willing to be friends of one of those hypocrite and arrogant MCs.

KingBiBiK i would wait until ur book has 100 chaps so i can binge it but until then i think u should do a parallel earth with many diferent cultures
also since there is dark energy and stuff watch these two videos to find out which kind of magic system u want
hard magic system :

soft magic system :

they're just 10 minute videos

One thing to keep in mind about webnovels authors is they never get a chance to write a first draft of an entire book, review it, create a second draft, send it to people to review, then have it edited, etc. Having 2-3 years to ponder over a book before releasing it.

They have to release chapter after chapter with no time to stop. Many talented American authors work would be just as shoddy if they were subject to this. Kindle unlimited already has some authors putting out crappy books that pointlessly extends plotlines for word count.

There are alot of ways to make MC stronger.....
Like having companions dying and MC blames himself/herself for being too weak and then he/she trains like mad
Then revenge......
And having parents die/captured/mother rped cause too beautiful and GF rped and killed friends killed everyone he knows get killed and he vows to take revenge.....
Then he becomes stronger
By getting stronger he meets more enemies and friends
Then his/her new/old enemies kills new friends then he/she gets more stronger and try to kill his/her enemies
just telling the consequences of being weak
dont reply :/

And if you want MC weak and friends weak then by the power of friendship they get stronger and theyre kinda immortal cause somehow their enemies cant kill them no matter what they do if this kind of thing is your cup of tea

Then good luck finding this 1
or maybe u can write a novel yourself that you are satisfied with and read it yourself XD

Im just kidding ._. (Maybe)
Just ignore my comments above
I am totally just kidding (this is not sarcasm) (well maybe) :3

What you have to remember is that webnovels are written entirely by one person and maybe an editor for grammar. One guy can only account for so much so they tend to focus on the mc. It's incomparable to real novels and stories which have entire teams working on it and fine tuning the world. Try some of the manhua and anime based on the books. They usually add some substance to side characters and plot in general. i generally prefer them to the webnovels.

Commenting so I can come back here for the links .

Frosch You can try follow the thread. There is button for that on top.

You can get my link now lol.
Try it and tell me your opinion. Its called 'Nefarious "EVIL" Affairs.'
https://www.webnovel.com/book/10332848305006905/Nefarious-%22EVIL%22-Affairs

N0xiety idk

Liron
you have the richest description of any book i have read. u have done avery good describing the 2 characters.
what i also love is the guy he's about to fight. it's a mystery of what hapened.

overall u did a good job

@bandicoot879
My novel is (I think) completely different from the normal ones.
It's no trash to genius thing.
He has no miraculous cheat. Just pure skill.
People tell me it's very descriptive.
Character Development: well, I only have 19 chapters so far.

If it interests you, please check it out:
It's called: "Tales of the Path to Godhood"

bandicoot879 Thank you very much, I hope you enjoy the novel.

That's why it is called web novel. Most of them doesn't qualify as proper publish quality novel. I'm not saying all of them bad but most of them are just like what you tell. They are like typical stereotype shounen battle manga, they sell dream, hope, etc and caters to that childish-dreamer side of human.

bandicoot879 Just try renegade immortal.,. Its a great novel