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Elise_Elleneth Next is, I noticed that (some or more) readers complain a lot (as said above) about characters or the story they wanted to flow as they wanted.

That is what really worries me as a reader and I really hope you authors don't listen to this kind of complains. I see that a lot as a basis for bad reviews on NU and this just reflects the reader immaturity. You should only listen on these kind of issues, to a professional editor (if you have one)

Luiz_H Hi! When it comes to this, I saw that it's not only we contracted authors are pressurized... but also those new ones that have potential. But as they could see what stories are click too many readers, some will follow and some choose to drop their novel.

I must say, I just make myself flexible to these outcomes and survive in this career I choose for myself.

I believe both (readers and authors) should enjoy... Us to write, and them; read something we wrote passionately. We do our best to create something the readers would love, at the same time, write more to release regular updates. Unless reality will hit us hard with problems (like me, but forcing to release daily updates).

In this matter, I believe we all learn something; from both sides. From then on, we began understanding each other more.

Reinesse Here everyone has their own preferences, mindset, their interests, I like the history of the Silk Road, trade, spies, the Big Game. And someone likes romance, fantasy.

It is all the more interesting to live in the world, meeting different people and learning something new for yourself!

Readers in general can be very generous and understanding towards their favorite authors but that is on the premise that authors properly inform their readers about decisions, events, reasons etc. but most important is that they are honest towards their readers. For instance if you promise 5 chapters a week and don't make it than don't just gloss over it and post the next chapter but properly explain why you were forced to miss your promise. There is always a good reason but if you don't give that information to your readers than to a reader all that they know is that this author has missed a promise (and if that happens often some readers will label that author as unreliable and start treating that author with less respect). My point is that some disrespectful messages can be avoided if the author is honest and clear about what their readers can expect from the author. We're living in the social media age and webnovel.com is a perfect example of a site that heavily relies on social media interaction. The key to social media in general is that readers/followers feel that they have a close relationship to the person they follow and that close relationship is at the same time the reason why people are willing to give money and support others but also the reason why social media can turn toxic. Just think about it, if you have someone who you think you have a relatively close relationship with ignore you or not acknowledge your existence than how does that make you feel? And whenever an author makes a promise and does not keep those promises than your readers are going to feel betrayed. And I realize that it is absurd that some people think like this but this is how social media works. What I noticed is that the people who have the least amount of angry trolls demanding stuff from the person they follow are the people who are very clear on what their followers can expect from them, be generous in the information you give.

And one tip for authors who have trouble with demands for more chapters... don't see those messages as a whip urging you to work harder but see them as encouragement from people who like your work enough to ask for more. This change in perspective is probably a better way to look at these kind of messages from a mental health perspective ;-)

I've seen a lot of argument about "look at the demand for updates as encouragement!! :D"
but tell me how I can look at "MASS RELEASE OR I WILL DROP" or "why are updates so slow??? author stop being lazy!!! other novels are updating twice daily, but you don't even update daily!!!!" or "I like the story but 1 star for updates, it's so slow that I'm going to drop" or "when mass release???????????????" as kind encouragement.

just tell me how.

there's a clear difference between "can't wait until the next chapter!", "hope you update soon!", "thanks for the chapter!! excited for the next one", and pure rudeness.

Clowniac this kind of disrespect is terrebel .
I apolegise in place of people who do such. A thing.

Thanks for all your writing efforts.

I think the problem is the fact that the chapters are so expensive and when u buy something expensive you expect good results so if I'm buying a chapter I expect it to be a very good chapter not something that is irrelevant to the story I want to know more about the main characters in the story than the family of the girl or guy we don't like upload more chapters too you can't have us reading the book and only having 1 or 2 chapters come out and the fact that u put a particular day for a mass release but only release 3 chapters that's not a mass release if u say a mass release put in like 10 or more chapters that's a mass release I know it's hard for the authors also but if u say u are going to do it I and every other reader expect you do it

yaoyueyi you are right .i even dropped one novel because reader..

yaoyueyi Those are the ignorant readers. There will always be some of those, because hey, stupid people really do exist. You can take offense at their dumb comments, you can try explaining yourself to them, whatever, but the fact is, they will not get it. They understand stuff only from their level of perception.

All I'm saying is, be selective with your battles. Again, ignore the ignorant ones.

hic

If you can't put up with the 1 or 2 chapters release a day, don't read web novels. Go and buy yourself a finished book.

Because that's just the concept of a web novel, it's like a soap opera where the audience only gets to see one or two episodes daily for many many years. Or like those (Japanese) comics, where you only get to read a volume every month.

I agree that customers should expect good value from the product/service they're purchasing, especially if the said product/service is expensive. But demand that in the form of, for example, the lack or absence of grammar/spelling errors, attractive writing style, etc. You don't get to tell the authors what to write. It's their novel, their story. It's the product of their creative minds.

Imagine people telling George R.R. Martin to write only about Jon Snow and less about Ramsay Bolton just because he's a prick triple dipped in psycho.

hic Dude, most of us don't even charge our chapters. You're reading our stories for free. What do you mean by "expensive"?! A chapter cost 20 to 26 cents for a 2,000 to 2,600 word chapter. That's "expensive"? And what about those writers who don't charge anything and publish their chapters for free? Are we still oblligated to upload more chapters?

You don't like only having 1 or 2 chapters come out a day? Wow...it is this sense of entitlement that annoys quite a lot of the writers. What do you think we are? Writing is not our full time job. We have our real jobs in real life, or we have to study (a lot of us here are students), or we have other real-life commitments that make it difficult for us to write one chapter a day. Do you know how long it takes to write a chapter? 3-4 hours. And you guys read that chapter in a matter of minutes, and think it's not enough. To do a mass release of 3 chapters means that we need to spend 9-12 hours writing a day. And you want 10 or more chapters for mass release. Just how entitled are you?!

So it's better if we don't release 3 chapters on a specific day at all? 5 chapters as a mass release on a specific day isn't enough? It must be 10 (which is pretty much impossible for most writers)? You just want your daily release and us to not say anything about mass releases at all? What nonsense.

I really cant find it in my inbox the letter of adjustment....

Cantiara I do ignore them. all I'm saying is that people on this thread shouldn't say "see it as kind encouragement" b/c that really doesn't apply to what I'm talking about in this thread.

JVenior nope. not seeing that trashcan icon. Where can i access it? I tried looking but cant find it.

Gourmet_DAO nah. i was thinking that i should have known about your novel before we learned about it.

honestly, it's probably true that you learn more through the net rather than school.

Reinesse I will say more, you will learn more knowledge than at school or university, if thousands will improve their education. In particular, just read books. At the university, the actual ones did not say anything about the Silk Road, apart from 2 lectures! I sat in the archives and read more than 450 books of the 16-19th centuries. Here in the books of the 19th century, the whole essence is! Very interesting! How empires prepared, long and carefully for the capture of independent principalities and made their colonies out of them. Pumping out resources from them, but in exchange creating infrastructure, roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, postal stations.

The Silk Road was a system of exchanging data, money, technology, new materials, culture, recipes. But the control over traffic, who controlled it on different stretches of the road, for a short period of time, became, according to the modern concept, a multi-billionaire. But for a long time this did not last; their others again captured and killed.

Gourmet_DAO What's the link to your novel again?

Reinesse History seems lifeless only at first glance. And so it is very interesting, of course everyone has their own opinion. But look at the trade routes, bifurcation points, trade and transit hubs of the Silk Road times and look at the map of modern conflicts, wars, they almost coincide. Why? Resources, power, money, desire to control flows ?! Plus, a game of spies and counterintelligence is added. Big Game, empires with neocolonial ambitions.

Small countries act as bargaining chips in the game of large empires. International law? Are you joking? Nobody observes it. The economy comes first.
Justice? It seems to have ceased to exist in the 21st century.

When large empires put small countries on their topographic maps, this was especially true in the 19th century, which meant their early colonization.

Such knowledge is interesting for some, while others are interested in modern gadgets, programming, industrial design. There are no comrades for taste and color, as the Russians say.

Clowniac That's so well put. I agree with almost everything that you have written. Quality writing does take time and even though, how much writers can write in one day is an individual thing and we can't put a particular number and generalize it for all - even then, I would say that writing, reading it again and editing, going back again to check if there are any errors as minute as some spelling mistakes, spending time, pondering if you can put the same content in a better way - TAKE TIME. Period. Besides, it must be considered and respected that writers do have
their personal lives and it is awful to expect them to compromise with their personal lives to put updates for you. I get the enthusiasm of readers. It is beautiful but calling out writers for not being able to update because of their personal issues, threatening and writing unacceptable stuff for them like I have read here, is not cool at all. Readers expect updates but you guys also need to understand that writers can have a rough life as well. It is not easy. It takes time and at times, it takes patience. Readers - we appreciate you guys. We adore you but please be a little kind with your words, understanding with your gestures and warm with your support. That will be highly appreciated!

Rak0 it is really true. I just started with the webnovel. I truly appreciate every one efforts.

Gourmet_DAO if it weren't for greed and whatnot, those utopian ideas from historical socialists would have been possible, not to mention very good. though limiting the business and industrialization is not good at all. simplicity is good but i can't imagine life without electronics.

the internal conflicts are rather annoying. there's always somebody who wants to take over. some kings who decide to abdicate choose puppets rather than capable descendants. or there are just really no capable descendants. all those...

even shared rulership is not without loopholes. a lot of types from historical samples, and only a few worked but it would be hard to repeat them.

Reinesse Roman law does not work or works but not everywhere. World law again gives slack, as in the time before the Second World War.

Double standarts. Before the collapse of the USSR, the USA and the EU, they vowed to protect those countries that voluntarily give up nuclear weapons. But the most interesting thing is that after the transaction was completed, the US and the EU did not ratify this treaty. Those countries actually gave up their nuclear weapons and in return received only a piece of paper. This is also a story.

The middle of the 19th century world empires divided Asia, this is for me, and this is for you. This is also a story.

Exactly!

Sigh* i dont know if im just emotional but i dropped a fanfic that i wrote because of a rude comment and that was the ruddest comment that i have read on a comment in my entire life so i was shocked, i teared up a little because of it. I have thought that i could ignore it but i can't, cause when i click on my inbox its inevitable for me to not glanced at rude comments, so on the same day i decided that i'm still not ready to be a author who just shrugged rude comments. I just wanted to vent this cause i really need to comment this to help me calm down about it.

yaoyueyi

Oceano_Turtle

Gosh. I feel so awful that you had to go through it and it was bad to the extent where you couldn't help but drop the tale. it is awful. I wouldn't say that I understand it because I think, I have got a little too lucky with the readers of my stories for over the three years of my writing journey, I didn't really receive hate comments but it is really uncool to write them to anyone. I really hope, that you will be able to let go of it and begin with that dropped story someday. Best wishes.

Tomoyuki I tell myself that I don't get hurt from toxic comments, but then I can't sleep at night hahaha.

Kudos to you sir! Hope we finish our stories not because we are forced by anyone, but only because we want to share our stories with other people. Don't tolerate hate if it's undeserved, good on you for leaving Discord when it bothered you too much. It's not your responsibility to write for them, you do it because you have a story to tell. Let time tell if it's a good story, because people would naturally flock to it if it is.

Helena_Seryma Have you ever read a chapter of your own story and saw an error and you just wanna edit it right away?

Cause I've done that so many times when I tried writing 2300+ words daily. Damn those four weeks sucked hard.

Exlor You're like a goal I want to reach sir, but I took the wrong course in college and cannot spend nearly as much time as I'd like to write.

Hope I get to write 6000 words every day and not feel tired of brainstorming about scenes.

ChuYang Lol, that's the story of my life. I'm doing NanoWrimo right now and I need to write as clean as possible. I don't want my readers to read typos and grammar. I can't help it... I edit my chapters right away. But some times I can't else I'll go to sleep at 1 am and need to wake up early the next day to got o work

yaoyueyi i honestly understand you ms author but you can't blame if we ask for more we're just simply humans like you that commit mistake and forgot to be contented ... i my self truly adore your work and wanting to more and more and doesn't want to stop as i start reading if possible. . But from the bottom of my heart thank you and I'm sorry i was too demanding. . God bless and more updates hahaha

Grimreaperkiller Nah, I think Yao Yue Yi and other authors don't mind if you ask for more chapters.

They are more annoyed by entitled readers who make unreasonable demands and actually threaten writers, such as "MASS RELEASE OR I WILL DROP" or "why are updates so slow??? author stop being lazy!!! other novels are updating twice daily, but you don't even update daily!!!!" or "I like the story but 1 star for updates, it's so slow that I'm going to drop".

So unless you're harassing writers, threatening and insulting them for not doing mass release, I think it's fine. A simple "I hope you do mass release!" is okay. A "if you don't mass release, I will drop your story!" is not.

Just wanna pop in and give my two cents about the matter.
Coming from a background of writing on other sites (like wattpad and quotev)
can I just say that I'm both impressed and weary over the magnitude of updating on this site? I think it's quite amazing that everyone's pushing for like 1000 words daily or even more.
and the fact that apparently updating more than once per-day is also common is also baffling
maybe it's because things are more professional/stricter on here than other sites, but I just wanna say good on everyone for doing these things. And I have to sympathize more towards the writers because accomplishing that many words per day is quite a feat compared to what I'm used to.
you could imagine my surprise when I see people's standards for books having 100 or even 200+ chapters before they read it.
I agree with what people said so far on the forum and I guess I'll just reiterate it
Please give writers the breathing space to do their work and if you want to show support, mayhaps phrase it differently besides the usual "UPDATES NOW OR ELSE".
And writers, honestly take a break if you can.

yo solo copio y pego hasta que me canso; si me tratan mal borro lo que subi y avandono la pagina.... es simple

Tomoyuki estimado te doy la razon por eso yo no cobro nada al final y al cabo solo copio y pego lo que encuentro y me gustaria conpartir eso si ponendo las paginas donde encuentro la informacion.....

jose_angel I don't speak Spanish, so I have no idea what you just said. Lo siento.