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SecretWolf Oh, you are talking about readers on the fence. Sorry.

Let me tell you this. IS you mother or father in harem. IF not remove this godly shit. Harem is shit dont listen to these pervy, many wife supportors. It is cancer and ruin all book. you see good man tell of rape and incest, with half animals in those books. Donot read, make your mind stupid.

Tomoyuki My God, the accuracy.

Like any genre in existence, harem is not the problem. It's the execution.

There is no objectively bad genre - or idea for that matter - it just comes down to how it's brought into the light.

The reason why harems are patronized is because of the fantasy of sexual and romantic superiority. Every male wants to be an alpha among the pack - minus testosterone deficient fellows who couldn't care less - and real-life doesn't work like that.

There are men like Ryan Gosling and Brad Pit who can swipe your girl faster than a seagull your pack of chips. In a world where the specific reader in question is average as can be, they resort to the fantasy of the novel they read to give them that feeling, to satiate that craving.

The authors in question too might fall into this category. They, and their readers, are self-inserting themselves into the eyes of the protag to simulate his experiences.

There are commonly two types of protags (from a male perspective) in harems. There are the Westernized versions who have an atypical 'nice guy' and the Easternized atypical 'strong-willed chad'.

These two have their own pros and cons.

For the Westernized protag, they usually believe heavily in monogamy and ordinance marriage. So when thrust in a situation where multiple women want them romantically, they tend to remain either indecisive or compensatory.

Indecisive in the case where they cannot choose one for fear of hurting the others or because they simply cannot overcome their moral barriers.

Compensatory in the case where they accept the polygamy/polyamory, then allow the females in the harem to become more dominant. They decide when he gets to have sex, they push him around, they miraculously manage themselves without his interference, etc.

You tend to see the indecisive type in JP media, and the compensatory type in most RR and Amazon ebooks with harem attached.

For the Easternized protag, they might either believe in monogamy or not. usually, they don't care because they are mini-batmen. For some reason, their wills are stronger than platinum and every female is a bag of flesh in their eyes.

When they miraculously - I say miraculously because it really is - find themselves as the target of multiple genuine affection, they usually sigh with lament and ignore them for as long as possible. It is usually the females who have to crawl, beg, and scrape in order to convince Chaddicus Chadmaster protag to accept their affections.

Hardly do you see such protagonists making the first move, for they are above such plebian things.

Now both of these types may have problematic MC, but the way the present the females is even worse and would require a longer wall of text, which I'm not willing to write.

As for the reason why harem in novels is weird is because no one realistically wants a harem in real life. Not out of morality, but due to the sheer difficulty of it.

No offense, but dealing with one partner alone is enough of a headache and people even complain that its too much to do so for the rest of their lives in marriage. This is just for 1 partner.

To manage a real life harem ,there needs to be something objectively attractive about you. Extremely good looks, high popularity, great wealth or something else.

This is what would bind the harem together, and should it unravel, so too does the harem go. They do not become sisters closer than even true siblings, they do not support each other wholeheartedly and they do not remain with you or tolerate each other our of sheer force of love.

Likely, they hate the others, seeing them as rivals, and would perform cruel acts behind the polygamous person's back, vying for the main spot. They will tear the others down verbally when alone with the polygamous person to raise themselves up and they will seek their own self-interest and that of any child borne through the relationship, some even using the child as a tool to that end.

Harems never have happy endings in real life, only in fantasy. That is one of the reasons people flock to it. Because, like most fiction, things can happen there that would never happen in real life.

I will come and go in this thread.
The only harem story that I like and accept the mist is...
The world god only knows.
This is some nice shit!! Trust me!! But, I recommend to watch first, second, and third season on anime first than continue to manga from the start. Just, ignore the ova. Also, I don't really recommend watching 3rd season until you finished the manga. That's all.

Carciphones_02 there's an ova? What is it about?
I already read the manga till the end. And then watch the anime season 1,2,3.
Don't really like the end of the manga since I still want more of it. And kinda upset with the anime since they cannot tell the story of all the girls from the manga. Too many just short "screenshot".

Tomoyuki oh. Okay. Kinda like filler episode for longer anime.

Carciphones_02 haha, anime that is not really for kids but become childhood memory?

Cuddles_Sempai13 well...... adult kid are already exist, so why not adult child too.....
But to me its more fitting of teenage memory instead of childhood.

GegeSadewa I get chu, my dude (or sis)...

The worst novel plots for me is transmigration when the girl gets transmigrated into another world, they realize that they have been transmigrated immediately, there is no element of shock, disbelief or them trying to go back to their world, it annoys me how they quickly understand what had happened when in reality, no one will be able to believe that the got transmigrated into another world, and the most annoying part is when they understand the memory of the body they have taken, I feel like authors should put themselves into the character's shoes and try to be realistic sometimes.

prettydimple Well, my opinion about MC who did not act what real person would do when they met such situation, there are two ; one, if I'm looking for a story thats reasonable realistic, then I would feel upset. Two, if I'm just looking for stuff to read, especially fiction that is not representably of reality, I would not mind since those are mostly portray of characters that is out of this world normal occurences.
So it all come down into what we are really looking for and what we are hope for/what we want to get from a story. If we dont like a story, I guess its time for us to move on and look for other acceptable story.

GegeSadewa I agree with your point but there are times when things should make sense and when they shouldn't, such stories should at least take at least two or three days for the MC to understand but they understand as soon as they wake up, it is not even about reality but sense, but yeah....if you don't like it the novel
then move on.

GegeSadewa well.. in my home, in other to watch anime, I usually search through youtube. And I don't really know what echhi means that time, but the world god only knows is one of the few animes I really like. Seconds to that is bimbougami ga. the only two anime that bring me to this world.

prettydimple I agree with you. At first, I really like this kind of plot. But, after a long time, I feel like this kind of thing is overused. The plot can be too rushed, especially if it was a manga. Most novel too... So, I've been searching for transmigration story that's different. But, it was not enough, because I don't have any interest in romance(harem and the like). So, after a very long time of searching and feeling unsatisfied, I've started to write my own story. Things has been going great, at Least for me... Wahhahahahahaha...