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Maekellen I 100% don't see any comedy in a harem. And the length of a novel, bro. There's so much that can be done in these chinese novels, so freaking much. As long as the authors truly want to, they don't need cheap crap like harem to extend their novels.

But the majoirty don't do it, which is sad. And those that do, still don't do the concepts justice. I know it's hard to write a good book, but it was never meant to be easy.

Tomoyuki oh ffs, how much I hate this forum. Was almost done with my wall of text reply to your post when I accidentally brushed my finger on the left side of the screen, which this dumbass mf of an app took as a command to shut down the forum.

Now all I can say is - fuck this forum’s design and fuck School Days while we’re at it.

    Whoa there's strong opinions here.

    I don't read much in the harem genre, but I think there's a reason why harems are so popular.

    Harms are romantic ensembles, much like how the Avengers is an action/adventure ensembles. Readers get to pick their favorites, compare and contrast characters, promote their favorite ships, attack their favorite punching bags, argue about who's "best girl" or "best boi" etc. Authors can create a menagerie of characters that fit all kinds of tropes, each to fit a certain kind of reader. And with so many characters, ensembles make it easy for authors to write new content--all they have to do is an episode with two or more characters in the ensemble doing something, with the others off in a B-plot somewhere.

    The problem I think is that the authors that choose to write harems often are often not writing for an audience, but for their own wish fulfilment. There's nothing wrong with a wish-fulfilment story, but those stories are going to have a limited appeal. A story that reovlves around five monster-hotties or anime waifus clamoring over a sanitized author self-insert is not likely to win many prizes.

    Relationship stories require brutal honesty from the author and ability for self reflection, and a deep and nuanced understanding of relationships between wildly different personality types order to make that diverse cast of characters work. But it may be that the kinds of authors interested in writing harems are writing precisely because they don't have that nuanced understanding yet. The large cast allows them to switch between character arcs without going into any particular one too deeply--because they just don't know how to yet.

    And that's fine--it's all part of an author's growth. But if that's not something that's up your alley, as it's not necessarily mine, I would just read other works in other genres. Let people enjoy their sparkly werewolves and E-cup demon-girlfriend-senpais.

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        Brass_Badger

        The author can grow, I agree and have said this. But, they're all growing in the same direction. Combined with so many other factors, the majority of novels are becoming worse and worse. Look at all the new novels.

        I get certain people like certain things. What I say is trash you might like. I've read novels other called trash and liked it, but at the end of the day I myself know it's still trash.

        In all honesty, authors can do what they do they just need to change like 2 things: Little to no stupidity and no freaking annoying harem. Literally, if a novel has that it has surpassed most novels. But I guess stupidity makes money and that's all that matters to them.

        It's annoying seeing how authors just focus on money than actually writing a decent story. At this point, i don't even consider you an author.

          Yeah, School Days was awful. No objections there.

            Misguided_Rooster

            Heres the thing, if the so called 'trash' is popular, then clearly alot of people are reading it.
            There's a demand so can you really blame the author for supplying the 'trash' that people love to read? Just saying...

            If you wrote what you wanted and no one read it, or you made no money, would you even continue to write?

            Im pretty sure no one wants to write 'trash', but if that's what people want, then they will.

            From what I see, until general preferences change you'll continue to have all sorts of 'trash' recommended to you.

              Misguided_Rooster If you hate it so much then why read it?
              There is an entire FL section on webnovel filled with one on one romance. Webnovel has a good enough tag feature that most books follow. If you don't want harem just read a novel with no #harem tag

                Misguided_Rooster When I was beginning to write novels, I too was against harem novels as well.
                My book had a tag #no-harem, lol...
                But what happened afterwords was that many readers complaining in the comments sections spouting hate and saying that an MC that the story is stupid because its not harem. To them it was illogical for a cultivation setting to not have a harem.
                So yeah, there you have it. It's the law of supply and demand. Honestly, authors would write anything as long as there is demand for it amongst the audience. If there is no demand for a non harem book then an author would probably not write.
                And its not really about MONEY. It's simply that being an author you don't want to write a book that on one will read.
                So, technically at the end of the day it's the audience's fault not the authors.
                If at some point of time, non-harem novels become popular amongst the audience unlike these days. Then I am sure authors would focus more on those kinds of stories.

                  Shiny_Shirogane But what happened afterwords was that many readers complaining in the comments sections spouting hate and saying that an MC that the story is stupid because its not harem. To them it was illogical for a cultivation setting to not have a harem.

                  Honestly, you should ignore them. It's your story, not theirs. If they don't like a non-harem cultivation story, they can go read a harem cultivation story somewhere else. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of harem cultivation stories out there, why the f are they not reading those? Why force a non-harem story to become a harem story that it's not?

                  Carve out your niche, be the story that stands out from the others by being different. If they want harem, introduce them to the hundreds of harem stories out there, but they have no right and no business telling you how to write your story.

                    Shiny_Shirogane

                    You got pressured into writing something you didn't want to. Your reader base is disgusting, and you have no backbone. Writing, to translated authors and a lot of 'originals', is 100% about money.

                    As an author, write what you want to write. No one can stop you. But, you should always understand - Certain things will make your novel trash.

                    I'm only bringing up one or two things right now. I won't even go into depths the sheer amount of problems both original and translated have. Why is that? Exactly because of what you just said.

                    Readers want this, authors give, it's a buisness. And, a pretty bad one at that.

                    All I'm saying is, write to write, not for money. Because this will 100% make your book... Biased? Bland? Stupid? Too many things.

                    If you've read on here for a while you should have a general idea of what I mean. Just a bit of research will also help.

                    lol, I'll stop here, I don't want to make this more of a rant.

                    Tomoyuki Exactly. Exactly.

                    Don't let toxic readers influence you. These are the type of people with the IQ of a baby cockroach. Don't let them infest your house because you let them in.

                    EternalNightLotus

                    I understand that perfectly, but there are a lot of problems with this here. Money will turn a 500 chapter novel into 4 thousand.

                    I just want people to understand the various factors that ruin many novels, the leading cause being money and something else.

                    If you want money, go ahead and make money. Just know, if you let it influence your book too much, well..

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