The concept of premium is to exploit people who cannot wait.
You will still get your free chapters. You can still wait. With physical books you also need to wait a year before you can even buy it.

I dont like the current premium System either and I do think Qi will eventually be forced to Change the model since there is almost no way to sustain this one in the west.
Also If you complain that this model sucks because you want to support authors and TLs with a subscription based model please dont stop.
If however you complain about not getting enough stuff for free Id highly suggest you shut your mouth and just go to pirate sites so my eyes dont have to continue reading this crap.

Yakumo
Fair enough, I should have chosen my words better. I do agree that a prior discussion would have really been good. At the very least, even if the current premium model is chosen at the end of the discussion, at least there will be a clear assessment of the pros and cons for everyone to see, and that would have made it easier for others to accept the decisions.

I do find it a pity that the forum isn't exactly a good place to voice doubts at the moment, the air in the forums doesn't seem really good at the moment. A forum should be a place where one can voice their views and be challenged on their viewpoints, not a place to get criticized as a person.
Way too many people are coming in preconceived notions, intending to only voice and emphasize their personal opinions time and time again instead of conversing, I think that is probably the reason so many people walk out of here pissed off.

      StarveCleric That's the point. All we hear is 'we need the premium system', but no staff actually discussed or stated their view on other models like subscriptions. Since they don't want to discuss and simply state 'that's our system and we need it', no one can blame the community for getting enraged or threads/discussions getting out of hand

        tototorototo The release rate will stay the same. And the daily dose will diminish. Free chapters are 7/week unlike the previous release rate

            @StarveCleric can i pay you a whole book's worth of translation instead of waiting every day for the release?

              StarveCleric Way too many people are coming in preconceived notions, intending to only voice and emphasize their personal opinions time and time again instead of conversing.

              And what do you think conversing is, if not for voicing their personal opinions?
              this is i quote from dictionary.com
              converse; verb (used without object), conversed, conversing.
              1. to talk informally with another or others; exchange views, opinions, etc., by talking.

              You might not realize this, but people already have their opinion on this. The forum is more like a platform to see whos got the same idea and who doesn't, to change the opinion on a forum there is little to none you could do, except provide facts, opinion based on facts, good grammar, and some nice pun (which didn't work on this forum).

                  Oxy

                  They can use a monthly subscription instead of the milk cow one

                      GregLuck I have phrased my words badly. I meant to emphasize "time and time again -> repetitively like a tape recorder".
                      There's quite a difference between converse and voicing one's opinion in the definition you gave. Voicing is a one-way thing, conversing is a two-way thing. If all you intend is to voice your opinion, doing it once is more than sufficient. If all one is trying to do is to enforce one's opinion on another instead of attempting to persuade with "facts, opinion based on facts, good grammar, and some nice pun" on here (assuming that those who are here are concerned and hope to possibly make a change with their views), it'll just turn into a debate like this "Pikachu is the best pokemon" "No, Charlizard is the best pokemon" "You dumbass, Pikachu is clearly the best pokemon" "Screw you, Charlizard is obviously the best of all".

                      The main point isn't really to convince others, but to come to a mutual understanding and possibly compromise, or simply agree to disagree.

                      EDIT: Alright, fine I get how conversing involves the exchange of opinion, but I think the point is clear here.

                          StarveCleric There is no facts about the premium known to readers. More than a month has passed and the staff did not answer a single thread about premium in the forum, with a concise and clear answer about our doubts and concerns. All I saw was translators and editors defending the system and insulting the ones that can't or won't pay for it. So all we can do in our arguments is voice our opinions because there is no facts to argue about. You are saying all we do is voice our opinions but you did the same. You gave your opinion and give ours.

                              Lomacris For the translators and editors insulting the readers who are unwilling or unable to pay, I can only say shame on them.

                              I am not saying the voicing of one's opinion is a problem, but we are going nowhere if we are just going to disregard the argument of others and emphasize the same opinions over and over again. Of course, I am not saying everyone on the forum is like that, but there have been quite a bit of that on the forum. At the very least, I think my responses are based on the arguments that others have built. I don't ask you to agree with my point of view, but I introduce new perspectives for everyone to view the matter with in hopes that they can see the rationale behind my stand better. I believe that this is how a discussion should proceed on.

                              I am not too sure about what concerns and doubts those on the forum have regarding the premium, so I may I ask about it here? If it's within my means, I'll try to answer them.

                              And regarding the point about there being no facts to argue about, the main issue I take with that is when people make assumptions without stating them under such circumstances, and others simply assume them to be true and quote them on it. It is much easier to spread false news than to squash them, I believe many can agree with me on that.

                                  StarveCleric
                                  Pretty sure most political discussions these days go like this anyway... Regardless, your analogy is flawed in that you are comparing someone exercising their right to free speech against translators, who risk losing their income with any negative comment they make regarding Qidian or their policies, a comparison which I believe is greatly misleading.
                                  However, I agree that we should not completely discount a translators opinion, rather we should treat their comments as an extension of QI's position on the subject, as opposed to a completely personal and unbiased account of their own.

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