How does one start the process for getting considered for a contract/get paid? What are the requirements? And what is the feasibility of someone who is a brand new author with no past experience to get a contract? Does anyone know how much effort and time it would take? Can I reasonably become skilled enough and get a contract within a few months, six months, a year?

All I need is just basic living expense, and that's only like 330 USD a month here. A very modest dream, don't need to become like the Chinese Great Gods making millions lol.

    I've seen some really poorly written novels grammar-wise go premium. All you need is to have a really popular story. As for how you'll manage that and how soon you can get there, it will all be up to you and how well you can spin a story.

    BravelyNovice
    Honestly, just do a random System/Anime/Harem/Sex novel and you are good. After 25k worlds, webnovel will immediately rush to offer you a contract. Doesn't matter if your novel is trash, incoherent, just appeal the hungry lustful teenagers' wet dreams and that's ok. In 2 weeks you can be contacted if you find the perfect balance between fan service and fan service*2.
    Skill is useless to be contracted, it is only needed to avoid the lawyers of webnovel for failing to deliver the chapters written on your contract. In other words, if you managed to reach the top 50, you will be offered a contract. After that, it is your choice for selling your soul, I will just advise you to read the full contract in detail.

      I get scared for the contracted authors and translators when I see mass release announcements. Could just be my imagination but I assume the authors are under contract to work extra hard for such events, or else...

        Xyphon_Storm Not really. It's up to the translators/authors to do mass releases for better publicity and to satisfy their readers.

          Lizabelle88
          You loose property of the contracted novel in the first place. The party A (Webnovel) has the right to do changes about the novel (from a random good novel to the same trash xianxan novel) without the agreement of party B (author). All works during and at more 1 years after the end of the contracted novel also belong to party A. Party B has obligations with party A and breaching of those obligations can provoke a suppression of the salary and a deduction of the royalties. Ect ect ect. Publications and usage of Patreon by party B are authorized only if they promote the work and don't seek to replace party A. Contract is 18 pages long and a lot of rules are written, I only said some of the worst.

            a year later

            Miss_Philosopher

            From the moment you sign the contract, the copyright is not yours anymore. Most of the problematic clauses have never been used but they exist indeed.

            The main ones you need to think about are:
            -Whether you want to publish paperback or publish elsewhere. Impossible with Webnovel except if your story is a great success.
            -You don't have any say about derivarive products(movies,anime, comics, by-stories ect..)

            The others like being able to replace you, or Webnovel having priorities on your new works are nothing to worry about. The first one has never been used, except to stop an unpopular story to continue forever or when the company loses money. There's hundred of thousands of stories on Qidian/Webnovel they don't have anything to earn firing a golden goose.

            In exchange, Webnovel will do the promotion of your work and deal with all copyright infringement issues in your stead.

            If you think your novel is the best novel of this century and you have the patience for it, signing a contract with webnovel is not the right thing to do. Otherwise, it is not a bad start. To negociate a better contract for your future stories, you still need a first success anyway.

            I precise that i have not signed any contract yet, but having seen the contract, it is not as scary as it seems.

              Arkinslize

              Arkinslize In exchange, Webnovel will do the promotion of your work and deal with all copyright infringement issues in your stead.

              Nope, they will not deal with copyright infringements for you (copyrights you don't own most probably, since you signed). I mean there was a threat on this forum already discussing that. They tell authors to go and do something about it themselves, because they don't have "time" or whatever. As for the promotions? I mean maybe? If your story is popular from the start, you might simply do well on your own. Sure you will get a boost, not saying no. But those forgotten premium novels exist, so joining one of those is a possibility too.

              They don't lose money really (edit: They can, due to guarantee system in place. There is potential of money loss for webnovel. I corrected that in other replies).

              Those promotions you speak of? Perhaps they spend some money on marketing for the top 20, but not on every premium novel. I'd actually consider a fixed rate contract, because no matter how popular the novel gets (or doesn't get), I get my money. That is another way they could lose money, because they gamble (hence they don't offer that).

              Just like @Innovation said, they will contract anything now. No matter how horribly the story is written, how poor the plot is, nothing is stopping them to offer those contracts. This lack of standards is really bad. Imagine you have a good novel, being lumped with trash for the same price. Because they don't charge for quality, they charge for words. This is the fundamental problem of this website (one of them to be sure). But, I'm going off topic, so I'll end it here.

                DarkRay

                I've seen the topic about this too. It's true that you can't avoid your work from being stolen, even Webnovel can't. But at least, they will manage the big websites. Not much success, but at least you don't have to fulfill DMCA files all day. As you said, if you lose money, they lose some too.

                Yes they can lose money. For example a premium story with very bad plot that continue when it should have stopped, or because it contains some sensible content that are not good for their company's reputation. In fact, they probably lost some readers already because of the low quality of some of the translated novels.

                You say that every one receives a contract offer, as long as it is popular enough, that's not what i observed. Most novels really bad that have gone premium asked for a contract. They probably won't be promoted much. There is clearly a difference between being proposed a contract early on and needing to ask for it. Just my opinion.

                Though, don't misunderstand me. I don't say you're wrong. You're right. But the pros and cons need to be estimated first.

                Most popular fanfics/originals with tens of millions views struggle with a Patreon to get above 800$ even with some really qualitative work. The only ones i have seen with better income write several stories at the same time with not much free time or use every business means they can think of to push readers to give something, either by early chapter access depending on how much you donate or sponsored chapters.

                At least, you don't have this problem here. At worst, your novel is a failure and you will just write something else when you feel like it.

                For the word price, i don't see any problem with this. If your story is good anyway, it will show in your earnings, as long as your story targets the market.

                  Arkinslize

                  Arkinslize I've seen the topic about this too. It's true that you can't avoid your work from being stolen, even Webnovel can't. But at least, they will manage the big websites. Not much success, but at least you don't have to fulfill DMCA files all day. As you said, if you lose money, they lose some too.

                  Then you haven't seen a topic where a contracted guy had his novel sold on amazon, and it wasn't him. Webnovel did very little to address that. I mean from what I saw in those exchanges, he was asking US for help, because his editor told him to deal with it (pretty much). Amazon, not some 3rd rate website.

                  Arkinslize Yes they can lose money. For example a premium story with very bad plot that continue when it should have stopped,

                  (edit) A rubbish story might bring no profits (potentially). Since the guarantee system is in place, they can indeed lose money (I forgot about the guarantee system, hence the edit).

                  Arkinslize because it contains some sensible content that are not good for their company's reputation

                  Yyy, under a contract you are not allowed to speak a bad word against webnovel. If you do, they can take you to court or punish you in many ways. By the way, losing reputation? With rape stories everywhere, psychopath MC and whatnot, you think they worry about reputation that much? Half of webnovel would cease to exist, if they really worried about the content. As for the loss of readers, nah. They are loosing readers most probably because of greed. People are fed up with all those costs to read novels. The ability for authors to delete reviews, that pisses people off too. Perhaps nothing to read can be a cause, maybe even quality for some, but its just a sliver of a larger equation. They are responsible for those features and designs, nothing to do with contract.

                  Arkinslize You say that every one receives a contract offer, as long as it is popular enough, that's not what i observed. Most novels really bad that have gone premium asked for a contract.

                  No, I'm saying they will give contracts to anyone. Whether someone begs for it or not, they hand those contracts to people. It doesn't matter if someone asks. If they don't meet a standard, on what basis should that be a "premium" novel? My problem is lack of those standards, that is why these people get these contracts, no matter whether they beg or not.

                  Arkinslize Though, don't misunderstand me. I don't say you're wrong. You're right. But the pros and cons need to be estimated first.

                  I already did that in other threats? A few times I think. I don't tell people not to sign it, I tell them it's their own choice. That was always my stance. Whether someone is satisfied or cries, not my problem. Know what you sign, before you sign it.

                  Arkinslize Most popular fanfics/originals with tens of millions views struggle with a Patreon to get above 800$ even with some really qualitative work. The only ones i have seen with better income write several stories at the same time with not much free time or use every business means they can think of to push readers to give something, either by early chapter access depending on how much you donate or sponsored chapters.

                  I haven't seen them myself, but tens of millions of views is kind of no 1 of originals rank at webnovel (and a lot of them publish at royal road too, where people can donate straight to their paypal). That is not a small following, so I doubt they would be able to get $800 only. By the way, these people also release e-books and other stuff. As far as I'm aware, most patreon authors give access to early chapters. Just like you have privilege here, but at patreon you pay once per month, not pay for privilege and then for the coins to read. That is a difference too.

                  Arkinslize For the word price, i don't see any problem with this. If your story is good anyway, it will show in your earnings, as long as your story targets the market.

                  And I see. When you have utter garbage priced the same way as masterpiece, something is not right. Even leaving those extremes behind. You have a story people like, but the quality is rubbish. Then you have the story that people also like, but the quality is good. On what basis should those two novels be equal in price? In simple terms, they shouldn't. Standard is the answer, but of course they don't have "time" to check those novels and worry about standards. I talked about that too already

                  No, it will not? A good story doesn't mean popular tags. A well written and constructed plot, doesn't mean it will be popular and earn you a lot at webnovel. There are well written stories here at webnovel, I don't see them in top 20 or even top 100. Reason? Well, ask the userbase. I much prefer to read a well thought out and original plot, than some copy pasted stuff I saw a 100 times (usually with questionable quality). You can target the market, but there is market for everything. If you are good, you can monopolize it even with unpopular tags.

                  That is the gist of it. You went out of the realm of this topic by quite a bit, but I guess I did so as well. Either way, you can address anything you want, so long you represent my views correctly.

                    DarkRay Then you haven't seen a topic where a contracted guy had his novel sold on amazon, and it wasn't him. Webnovel did very little to address that

                    I didn't say there were no issues. Webnovel also loses money by doing nothing.

                    DarkRay If they invest nothing into your story, how are they losing money

                    I told you already that's all about reputation.

                    I will also add that even if such stories exist, or if some of them have been contracted, believe it or not this clause exists to prevent this. These clauses had never been used to date, but they exist for a reason.

                    Webnovel need more content to grow, so they accept anything. I think that sooner or later they will focus on quality content. Just my opinion again. But that's just how business works.

                    Webnovel has the right to promote you, but is not entailed to do it. Pretty sure, you will not see any time soon a paedophile R-18 story focusing on underage children being promoted.

                    For me they're losing money for many reasons. More than greed, i would say it is their bad marketing strategy. But even without talking about this, if i was leading webnovel i would have added separate sections/rankings for all these sex stories. The ranking is polluted with them, hidding the gems that deserve to be read.

                    DarkRay That is not a small following, so I doubt they would be able to get $800 only.

                    I checked many patreons from my favorite stories on royal road even before webnovel app being created. The highest one i've seen is around 3k$ for one original work. I've seen 7k$ on wuxiaworld for a translated work before webnovel takes back their rights on these stories. The Endless Path (rank 1 from fanfic on webnovel) is platauing at 800-900$ on Patreon, as many others. There's surely some exceptions, especially for those that are published on amazon or got their paperpack publication. For paypal it wasn't there before on RR, but i don't think it changes anything. If people can get something for free, very few will donate.

                    About the word price and the standard you're talking about, the best would be for the author to be directly able to set his price. But i'm not sure raising the price, even from a popular story, would do so well on such a platform. Maybe it is for a new update.

                    Anyway, i don't think all these big companies like Amazon or Disney are any better. As long as there is money at stake, it will be the same everywhere.

                      Arkinslize When they have copyright, and do nothing about it, is the author to blame? If they lose money, it's because of their own silliness or laziness, not author's. They actually hurt authors, not help them... Again, those are not my claims, contracted authors spoke about them (both in public and private).

                      I'd like to see which clause you refer to, but I think I found it. If you mean the stuff "don't publish anything without webnovel's consent", or "don't violate the law", yea sure, can pertain to content. If it exists for a reason, use it? Simple thing. At the same time, this can be easily bypassed. You can write about joining extreme groups (like terrorists) and tell people "fiction". Doesn't infringe on any laws, it's a fiction. Pointless in that case. (People find racism in Chinese novels, somehow they are still published)

                      Of course websites need content to grow (Look at their own stats in about page though, I don't think they need to grow more), but they choose any (in a bad sense) content. Selection is not a thing for them, but quantity is. Hence my statement: they will give a contract to pretty much anyone, stands true. If they change that, Great! That is my argument, for them to change it.

                      The promotion is another thing. They will use commercially viable strategies... and "depending on the
                      sales of the Work, promote the Work on Party A's Web Channel(s) to help raise the reputation of Party B and the Work.". The first one, I said it too, didn't I? Not every novel will be marketed outside (only popular stuff will be). The other one pertains to their channel only. Also depending on your sales (again top 20 perhaps, not all contracted authors are top 20).

                      As for what they promote, simple. Whatever makes them money. I don't know if they care whether rape, paedophilia and such is there. Ask them, not me.

                      I actually forgot about something. You are right, they can lose money on authors. Which my previous argument is invalid (I will remove it later). The guarantee system is in place, which means they can actually lose money. (I can admit when I make a mistake). They can lose from $800 to as much as $1600. Of course authors have to meet those requirements, but a potential of losing money is there. Your argument was different though, but I admit, they can lose money due to guarantee system.

                      Fanfic is not originality though (in a sense). The author rides a bus on previously popular work (or still popular, with anime and stuff). $1000 for that is great, nothing to complain about. (I checked it now, it's 1000). By the way, $1000 is about what people in top 20 make per month (with a contract). I had that conversation with contracted authors, they make around that much per month, and the lower you are in the rank the less you make (a lot less apparently).

                      My argument was simple too. You claimed tens of millions of views, in other words 20 millions or more. Check the no. 1 of originals, it doesn't even have that (no. 4 has 27m I believe?). With that kind of views, you should be able to earn around 1.5k a month. Remember that contracted authors have to earn twice that, because they split with webnovel 50-50. As a self publisher, you keep 100% and your rights, and freedoms. That is the difference.

                      Authors can set the price on privilege as far as I'm aware, but true. If authors could set a price for their chapters, perhaps it would be better, but perhaps worse. It goes both ways, because it can be abused. Standards cannot be abused. You either reached a certain standard or not. If you did, people pay let's say a full price. If you are in the middle, people pay a bit less, let's say. If you are bottom, people pay almost nothing. Is it unfair? No it's not. Improve your skills, and get paid more. Would motivate others to improve, and readers are happy too. (Will never happen, until wn hires more editors basically, and they start a proper selection for contracted works).

                      Arkinslize Anyway, i don't think all these big companies like Amazon or Disney are any better. As long as there is money at stake, it will be the same everywhere.

                      People choose webnovel for a few reasons. One such reason: their writing is too poor, and they have no chance getting into a publishing company. Another reason can be difficulty. Writing on webnovel or any platform as such, is easy. Make an account and publish, that's it. You don't need drafts, revisions, nothing. It's the easy way. Another, lack of drive. People do it as a hobby, in other words not seriously. Another, easier to get a contract and popularity. Just write within popular tags and you are alright, right? There may be a few more, but you get the idea.

                      That depends on what sorts of deal you get. Sure big companies are not rivers filled with milk and honey. I didn't even know Disney published books, that's new to me. Amazon, you can get 70% royalties. You set your own prices too. If you get a good place, they will promote it. You give them nonexclusive copyright as well. (I had to read a lot to find that). In other words, you can publish your books elsewhere. Not such a bad deal, and you can stop publishing at amazon whenever you wish. It's not perfect of course, and you need a book not chapters. (I should mention you can publish for 100% but they will not promote it like ever, no chances).

                      Either way, that is how I see it. take it as you will.

                        Arkinslize Top Star has bad grammar but was heavily promoted (wayy better than most fan fic though). So, not really true.

                          DarkRay

                          You seriously appear on this forum again with your rant? Let me finish my chapters. Use that time to get a cup for your tears.

                            DarkRay

                            Honestly, i'll probably stop the debate here. I don't even know why i'm losing my time defending the devil. I just said at first that i've seen this contract and that nothing really surprised me there.

                            Every thing they do or do not, whether they should or not can be sum up to lack of personel, or basically money issues. That they're looking for cheap profits or are not reactive/ do what you expect from them is really another debate. You gave example of people that webnovel did not help, many maybe have been helped in time that you don't know about.

                            Every word you said is agressive and feels like webnovel owe you something. They don't. They are neither your friends, nor here to carry you. It is a business. Final word.

                            DarkRay We are talking about original works, translated novels are completely different argument. Don't use translated novels as your standard here

                            I never used translated novels as standard so please stop. The one with 270M views you're talking about doesn't earn 100k$ but much more.

                            You don't say which author from the top 20 you're talking about that earn only 1.5k$. You don't say how many premium chapters has his story, or how many chapters he/she publishs every week, how many gifts or fans he/she has. Being top 3 or 20 for a while in power ranking doesn't mean anything.

                            DarkRay No, you don't have "great luck" when your native language is English. What sort of argument is this? Improve yourself if you don't want to write in your own language, and don't complain.

                            You just litteraly made my point valid. So you're an english native, i presume. So, before you misunderstand, i'm dentist irl, i speak 4 languages as i speak here in english with you. I truly don't care whether i earn 100k$ or 200$ writing here. I'm living well.

                            Pretty arrogant to say someone can write in his own language, when there's no market. If as you pretend the top 20 here earn 1k$ per month, how much do you think you will earn with an audience 10 to 50 times smaller.

                            The other reason is that most people here read webnovel in english, since as i said there's no market yet in most other languages. Spanish, chinese ect.. have it better, but nothing for the others.

                            Most of all, most of the foreigners here are probably working like crazy to improve their grammar and writing skills.

                            I'll stop here, if you still want to talk about it, we can continue on discord Arkinslize#6861. Maybe not everything can be said here.

                              BravelyNovice 2-3 months to get contract. 3-6 to actually improve and earn and a year to write and earn well.
                              I would say write a short story about 200-300 chapters first, sign it. Try it out and see if you like it and if you get some readers good, if not, you can try with another book after you improve. It takes a year to actually write decent.

                                DarkRay Just as a teaser:
                                I'm around top150 in the power ranking
                                I'm around top70 in the trending ranking, meaning that my rank with votes is half the rank I get when the earnings counts.

                                Arkinslize DarkRay Better to stop the debate. Webnovel contract is not that bad. If you look at Amazon contract then you will be surprised. Amazon can literally kick you, ban you, take your income if they wish to do so and there is nothing you can do. They also don't need to provide any reason why they did so.

                                  Arkinslize No, I haven't been aggressive at all. I presented my arguments, and quoted you. I don't have any ill will towards you at all. I showed you the original claim to which I responded, and I made a mistake to which I admitted. I'm not trying to win here, we were having a discussion, that's all there is to it. That's what forums are for.

                                  Arkinslize You don't say which author from the top 20 you're talking about that earn only 1.5k$...

                                  Piokilek is here, ask him. I talked with precell (he/she is a mod I believe) about that too, and a few other people. Ask the original authors, that is what I got from them.

                                  You presumed wrong. I'm not English native. I had to learn English, and it took years. Therefore when I say "don't complain and do something about it", I think I have the right to say this. If you are interested in some bs wrapped in feely words, unfortunately I don't provide that.

                                  Why is it arrogant? Anyone can start writing in any language. You can take it a step further and publish it as a book. You can make money, if you really want to do it. Sure the market is smaller, but so what? If you are after pure money, getting a well paid job instead would work much better (like being a dentist, I believe it's a well paid job). I also said that alternative is learning English, as it is an international language (giving you access to bigger market).

                                  You don't know if "most" authors strive to improve. I don't know either. I'm happy to talk about this at discord, it doesn't really matter to me. Forums exist for the purpose of discussion. I don't feel like you insulted me, and I don't think I insulted you in any way. But, if you want to continue at discord, I will comply.

                                  Piokilek If you look at my replies, my stance is clear. I don't tell people whether to sign it or not. I tell people it is their own choice. I read amazon terms of service, especially if you take their royalty shares. That is incorrect. They can terminate your account true, but not for free (as in for nothing), and they have to notify you of such termination.

                                  They can't take your income. They can offset returns
                                  "If we pay you a Royalty on a sale and later issue a refund, return, or credit for that sale, we may offset the amount of the Royalty previously paid for the sale against future Royalties, or require you to remit that amount to us.

                                  if a third party asserts that you did not have all rights required to make one of your Books available through the Program, we may hold all Royalties due to you until we reasonably determine the validity of the third party claim.

                                  Upon termination of this Agreement, we may withhold all Royalties due for a period of three months from the date they would otherwise be payable in order to ensure our ability to off-set any refunds or other offsets we are entitled to take against the Royalties. "

                                  And so on. Only if you break the law, will they not pay up those royalties. The reason will be there when they notify you. I read them, and I can even link their terms and conditions.

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